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pre61-list-digest Monday, May 11 1998 Volume 02 : Number 129

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In this issue:

Re: FTE Pre61 - Tilt front ends
FTE Pre61 - Original Turn Signals
Re: FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: Pigeon Forge pavillion
Re: FTE Pre61 - Original turn signals
Re: FTE Pre61 - Original Turn Signals
FTE Pre61 - 54 F100
Re: FTE Pre61 - Original Turn Signals
FTE Pre61 - New Lincoln SUV
FTE Pre61 - extende cab
FTE Pre61 - RE: Fuel tank Sender
FTE Pre61 - tilt
FTE Pre61 - turn signals
Re: FTE Pre61 - Original turn signals
Re: FTE Pre61 - Tilt front ends
FTE Pre61 - Permission to use your pictures.
FTE Pre61 - Badges for the show
Re: FTE Pre61 - Permission to use your pictures.
Re: FTE Pre61 - extende cab
Re: FTE Pre61 - 54 F100 windshield
FTE Pre61 - 1948 F-1 Mirror Questions
Re: FTE Pre61 - Tilt front ends
Re: FTE Pre61 - 1948 F-1 Mirror Questions
Re: FTE Pre61 - 1948 F-1 Mirror Questions
FTE Pre61 - Canadians eh?

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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 09:01:02 EDT
From: KLaff61624
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Tilt front ends

Trent, Fairlane in Michigan makes the best fiberglass products according to
most people who have firerglass tilt front ends. If you use fiberglass it
should have a metal frame built around the outside edges for extra strength
and to keep it from getting as many stress cracks. A lot of people don't add
the metal and say it is not needed. I have a frame around some of mine and
wish it was around all the outside edges, if it was I know it would be better.
Look at some Corvettes and see how they have added strength to the fiberglass.

Ken L.
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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 09:14:25 -0400
From: "Don & Teresa Neighbors"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Original Turn Signals

In the last digest, Abe wrote: "Some questions about the turn signals
mounted on the front fenders."
Abe, my truck has the optional turn signals, and single brake light. My
brake light is not in the stock position due to the non-stock bumper the
original owner installed. At that time, only one rear brake light was
required by law on trucks, and turn signals were still not required in most
states. I'm speaking in general terms, since I have no idea what states
required turn signals, and what states did not.
I'm going to guess that the turn signals are a factory installed option,
because the switch is mounted beneath the horn button, as turn signals are
on more modern vehicle. My guess is that dealer installed turn signal would
have that J. C. Whitney type turn signal switch mounted on the side of the
column.

On another note: Ken Payne, I am a big guy with brown hair and a beard!
Should I wear a badge that says "No, I am NOT Ken"?

Don Neighbors
'54 F250 Named Grover
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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 09:14:11 EDT
From: KLaff61624
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: Pigeon Forge pavillion

Ken, Breakfast on Sunday sounds great. 4 in my family, well only 3 that can
eat McDonalds... one only 3 months old. I'm starting him out right in a old
Ford truck and TRUCKIN at the supernationals.

Ken L.
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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 09:26:29 EDT
From: Pea Soup A
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Original turn signals

not being that old (LOL)......as l remember turn signals as late as 1953 were
done with your left arm out the window...Maybe we should try that today,
without the FINGER.....Anyway, my first two trucks, a '37Chev and a '54 Chev
had no turn signals and l added them...(when l saw the light) my '48 F1 was a
shell and we added a motor and 12 volts and again turn signals...my '51
pictured with the dragster has turn signals added too......hope this
helps......Bob
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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 13:00:26 -0700
From: KCOUGHLIN
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 54 F100

Need a windshield for a 54, anyone got a line on one?

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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 11:04:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Scott
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Original Turn Signals

- ---Don & Teresa Neighbors wrote:
>
> In the last digest, Abe wrote: "Some questions about the turn signals
> mounted on the front fenders."
> Abe, my truck has the optional turn signals, and single brake
light. My
> brake light is not in the stock position due to the non-stock bumper
the
> original owner installed. At that time, only one rear brake light was
> required by law on trucks, and turn signals were still not required
in most
> states. I'm speaking in general terms, since I have no idea what
states
> required turn signals, and what states did not.

Our 52 had signal lights installed ontop of the cab which was done by
someone who owned and had a trun signal mounted on the collum. But
now that you brought it up, The gauges that we have, have the signal
indicators built in to them, but you can easly remove or add the bulbs
for them. I don't know if it was a factory option. But back to the
part of putting them in the park light assembly, that is what we did.
Just got some park/signal sockets and put them it, will have abler
lens' and halogen bulbs so people will see the signal.
Scott, whishing that he could goto Pigon Forge
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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 15:21:28 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Pre61 - New Lincoln SUV

WWW.FordWorldNews.Com has a feature on the new Lincoln
Blackwood SUV.

Ken Payne
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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 14:44:06 -0700
From: jc & terry
Subject: FTE Pre61 - extende cab

i saw what you wrote about the frame ken and i was wondering. would it be
possible to get a long bed and then extend the cab and put a short box on
it? i am not to familiar with the long beds so i do not know of the wheel
placement, etc. is the bed longer in the front, back, or both? saw this done
with an extended cab 36 pu. looked pretty cool and seemed top ad tons of
room. what'da ya think?

T-bird Terry

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prodigy.com ( DAN LEE)
Subject: FTE Pre61 - RE: Fuel tank Sender

I believe the '56 sender is the same as earlier versions. That is
10(full) to 180(Empty) ohms. In fact the gauge itself is a 6 Volt
gauge. Ford used a bimetal spring regulator to reduce the voltage
from 12 to 6V. This works because the gauge is a bimetal spring which
integrates the current pulses into heat. The bimetal and the gauge
needle deflect in proportion to the average temperature. By using the
electronic Voltage Regulator you eliminate the pulsing as well as the
difference between full and partial charge of the battery.

Dan Lee
'53 F100
351C-4V
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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 14:50:43 -0700
From: jc & terry
Subject: FTE Pre61 - tilt

. Do the fiberglass noses tend to vibrate or shimmy in the wind
or are they
a bit sturdier than that?

Any and all info on what needs to be done or what problems I would run
into would be
appreciated.

Later. Trent

i am not aware of a 60 fiberglass tilt. maybe someone else knows. i do have
a tilt on my 58-59-60(one truck) i will tell you it's pretty easy to do with
what you have. i used a t-bird deck lid pistons and pump for power. another
trucker on this list used a boat motor set of pistons for power. it should
have a pretty good explanation in the archives but i'm not sure we have an
archives. if we don't, call me offline and i'll tell you what i did. anybody
know of a fiberglass front?
T-bird Terry

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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 19:04:27 EDT
From: MichellHC
Subject: FTE Pre61 - turn signals

HI Abe,

I am not sure if they were installed at the factory or if it were a dealer
instalation. I do know for a fact that turn indicators were designed at the
factor yfor the 53 models up. We have a 55 F-600 with original equipment type
turn indicators. Also the 54/55 manual shows the turn signal schematic and
explanes operation. It looks like on our truck that it is possible that they
were installed at the factory because the two wires that go to the front
parking lights for park and turn are wrapped in the one harness going to the
head lights and all other lights on the front of the truck. Who is to say that
somewhere along the way someone did not incorprate these wires into the
harness for the sake of safety or neatness, or perhaps if they were dealer
installed and the mechanic that installed them taped them into the harness.
The steering column has an incorprated turn signal switch also and not the
aftermarket type attached to the steering column with a clamp. I hope this has
answered a few of your questions.

Michelle
Chelle's 56 Hauler
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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 21:55:19 -0500
From: Rich Garber
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Original turn signals

At 01:04 AM 5/10/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Greetings,
> Some questions about the turn signals mounted on the front fenders. I
>always thought the old trucks (the cheap stripped down models) came with
>out turn signals and they were added as the various states toughened the
>inspection laws. Now I am beginning to think otherwise. Were they a
>dealer installed item? I was planning to have my turn signals in the
>parking lights. I already have the 2 filament socket and bulbs. If one
>wants to be original should the turn signals be on the fenders or not
>(for the non-deluxe cab version)?
> Also, McLaughlin's book "48-56 Ford pickups" says that only a left
>tail light was standard. A right taillight was an option. Were rear turn
>signals in the tail/brake lamps in the trucks so equipped?
> Can any more-experienced guys with good memories or guys with good
>books help me?
> Abe '54 F-100 (from PA)

Abe,

The 54-55 manual on page 365:

A dealer installed and a factory installed indicator are available. The
dealer installed indicator has the front indicator lights mounted on the
front fenders.
The factory-installed unit, uses the front parking lights for the front
indicator lights.

As far as the rear light, Only the deluxe cab had two tail lights.

Rich
54 F100
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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 22:10:47 -0500
From: Ray Cardogno
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Tilt front ends

>Trent, Fairlane in Michigan makes the best fiberglass products according to
>most people who have firerglass tilt front ends. If you use fiberglass it
>should have a metal frame built around the outside edges for extra strength
>and to keep it from getting as many stress cracks. A lot of people don't add
>the metal and say it is not needed. I have a frame around some of mine and
>wish it was around all the outside edges, if it was I know it would be better.
>Look at some Corvettes and see how they have added strength to the fiberglass.
>
>Ken L.
>

Hey Ken,
Excuse me for butting in here, but I was wondering, does the Fairlane nose
have the metal built -in? I've been toying with the idea.
Thanks,
Ray C

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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 22:13:03 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Permission to use your pictures.

Tonight Peggy and I were scanning in several pictures mailed to
us for the pictorial and t-shirt. We have an idea for the booth
at the Pigeon Forge show.

We want to display these trucks on a bulletin board to let people
know what type of trucks our members drive. We're also going to
print out several from the pictorial. If you have any objection
to your truck being displayed let us know and we won't show it.
Email us privately about this (kpayne

mindspring.com).

Pictures will be displayed at the show and not given out to
anyone. Also, if your truck from the pictorial doesn't show up,
its probably because the image didn't print out too well, not
because we didn't like it. Ink jet printers can be picky about
what prints out good.

Ken Payne
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uss.com has sent a design to be used as badges
at the Pigeon Forge show to identify yourself as a
Ford Truck Enthusiast member:

http://www.ford-trucks.com/badge.gif

Feel free to download and print it. Thanks to
John Niolon for this design!

Ken Payne
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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 22:30:08 EDT
From: Pea Soup A
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Permission to use your pictures.

please fell free to use ours.....Bob and Sherry AndersEn
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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 23:09:49 EDT
From: KLaff61624
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - extende cab

T-Bird, sounds like a good idea , but I don't know the info either. I'm going
to gander at any long wheel base trucks while at Piegon Forge, maybe even take
a tape measure. Oh well mine already done but the info maybe good to
know.........

Ken L.
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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 23:20:05 -0500
From: Ray Cardogno
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 54 F100 windshield

>Need a windshield for a 54, anyone got a line on one?
>
>They are readily available at glass shops around $150

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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 21:35:27 -0600
From: "Paul T. Clegg"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 1948 F-1 Mirror Questions

Question1: Can the mirror in my in-the-cab-rearview mirror be replaced?

(It looks like the metal is wrapped around the edges and to get the glass
out would be a challenge, let alone re-wrapping it around a replacement
mirror.)

Question 2: What kind of side mirrors were original for this truck?

(I'm inclined to guess that my truck never had any side mirrors, but for
safety I'd like to get something as close to original as possible.)

Question 3: Does anyone know where Lee Hardy's inventory of old truck
parts, ("several barns full"),ended up?

(I found out that Lee Hardy of Dayville, CT died late last year. He
treated me like a relative without ever meeting face to face. He supplied
me with some very accurate and specific original parts for my 48 F-1
restoration.)

Thanks, Paul Clegg
paulc

vantageinc.com

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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 23:39:28 EDT
From: KLaff61624
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Tilt front ends

No Ray the Fairlane has a large nicely molded strengthing rib on the 53-56,
but no metal anywhere. I made the frame to reduce flexing and to slide the
entire one peice front end out and then tilt up, to keep from cutting the
fenders. Fairlane says that they can provide you with drawing on how to do
this operation, but the ones that they sent to me stunk......worthy for the
garbage can. I decided to make my own setup and to try to keep my cost below
100 dollars. I've made three different designs and this last one works
best.......alas I'm still ironing out the bugs. When I say bugs, the only
thing left to do is to put a brace from the center of the cab to the radiator
support and install a roller inorder to clear the anti-sqeak rubber on the cab
as you open and close your front end. This last design is going to work great
for my modified truck frame and I think it will work as well on a stock frame.
I don't believe it will look good on a Che*y clip if it will work at all. It
depends on how much frame horn length you have or if the mechanism can fit
inside the frame. I keep telling the owner of Fairlane that I will make the
kits for them, but he doesn't seem to interested. Wants to pay with peanuts
instead of greenbacks. Hope this is of some interest, I rambled on after
answering your question.

Ken L

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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 23:53:01 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 1948 F-1 Mirror Questions

At 09:35 PM 5/10/98 -0600, you wrote:
>
>Question 3: Does anyone know where Lee Hardy's inventory of old truck
>parts, ("several barns full"),ended up?
>
>(I found out that Lee Hardy of Dayville, CT died late last year. He
>treated me like a relative without ever meeting face to face. He supplied
>me with some very accurate and specific original parts for my 48 F-1
>restoration.)
>
>Thanks, Paul Clegg
>paulc

vantageinc.com
>

That's terrible news. I had wondered where he went. He
used to email me a lot to make sure his posts about the
parts were within our "non-commercial postings" guidelines.
Very nice fella, he'll be missed (and he has been for a while).

Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 00:28:24 EDT
From: Pea Soup A
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 1948 F-1 Mirror Questions

In a message dated 98-05-10 23:35:58 EDT, you write:

(It looks like the metal is wrapped around the edges and to get the glass
out would be a challenge, let alone re-wrapping it around a replacement
mirror.)

Question 2: What kind of side mirrors were original for this truck?

(I'm inclined to guess that my truck never had any side mirrors, but for
safety I'd like to get something as close to original as possible.)

Question 3: Does anyone know where Lee Hardy's inventory of old truck
parts, ("several barns full"),ended up?
...........l replaced the inside mirror with one out of a junked Toyota or
Datsun...looks pretty stock.......as for the out side mirrors they were
connected to the door hinge and were fairly long....most replaced with an
aftermarket round mirror or the long 'California' truck mirrors.....Bob
Phot
o's Of Bob's 1951 at Geocities
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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 22:29:23 -0600 (MDT)
From: Darcy Lee Davis
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Canadians eh?

short trip from the US.>>
Randall Colgan
Randall; I'll be there !!! I think thats a FANTASTIC idea.

miles south of you. I know I might have to "chain up" to get there, but
what the hey, it sure beats taking the dogs and sled. All kidding aside,
it would be a nice trip to go down to the States, but my '56 ain't even
close to being fired up, let alone blasting south a couple of thousand
miles.Someday I will get there. Maybe we Canucks Can Convoy ??>>
Bill (nanook) H.

working on and Randall was down here about a week ago and had a look
at it. What year are you working on?>>
Scott
1952 Ford Pickup now with Chromed bumper and grill!
/snip

It sounds to me like there are a number of us Albertans around, and I know
at least one other person not on the list that is working on a 51 Ford and....

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