fordtrucks-digest Sunday, April 12 1998 Volume 02 : Number 099



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In this issue:

Old Trucks [Rich Garber ]
thanks [Jan ]
Panel Truck Ventilation/Insulation [Ray Cardogno ]
Clearing out Extra Parts [FordBones ]
varied opinions [jc & terry ]
hood hardware [jc & terry ]
64 effie [jc & terry ]
wiper motor 56 [David Stokes ]
Spray on Foam [KLaff61624 ]
Brakes ["Mike Morton "]
RE: Spray on Foam ["Mike Morton "]
Re: 64 effie [Cathy Greenlaw ]
brake switch [KLaff61624 ]
Parts source [Cathy Greenlaw ]
Re: thanks [Cathy Greenlaw ]
Re:front shock mounts. [AZYacht ]
1924 Model TT truck tires [edward fix ]
Re: 1924 Model TT truck tires [Fordf3 ]
Re: Panel Truck Ventilation/Insulation [Cdalep ]

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Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 09:19:25 -0500
From: Rich Garber
Subject: Old Trucks

>Awhile back there was a discussion about finding 53 to 55 fords.
>Well there still out there. Guy next door just picked up a 53
>came from MT., has a 302 in it (put gas in it and a battery and
>it started right up). The sheetmetal is in very good condition it
>was about 10 miles from my home. Now the sicking news (for me, anyhow)
>Picked it up for $400.00. I've driven by it a 100 times, just never
>saw it!
>
>So keep looking!
>
>Rich
>54 F100
>
>

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Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 10:06:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jan
Subject: thanks

Dear Ford Truck folk,

I've been lurking here for nearly 10 months, a wannabe mechanic, in awe of
the expertise and generosity you've consistently shown. I've read all
your posts, whether I understood or not, hoping at least the nomenclature
would sink in, and then who knows, perhaps some day useful knowledge.
Guess this just boils down to a general note of thanks to all of you who
have made this process of taking care of my `53 F-250 easier and at the
same time, incredibly difficult, given the choices you offer.

The old gal's doing rather well, all things considered. The tools are
adding up in my box and I've begun to get under the hood and chassis,
which is a huge step for one who knew absolutely nothing about the
internal combustion engine before joining this list last May.

With thanks and respect,

Jan
for "Louise"
a rockin' `53 F-250

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Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 11:29:22 -0400
From: Ray Cardogno
Subject: Panel Truck Ventilation/Insulation

>From: "Paul G."
>Subject: Panel Truck Ventilation
>
>Does anyone have any ideas as to how I could provide a way for air to
>exit (flow through) the interior of my panel? Are there any flush mount
>roof vents, or similar device available? I don't want to add any
>noticeable roof vents, etc. How do other vehicles vent the air?

I am hoping to deal soon with the same situation with my panel. Since the
floor in mine is only 3/4" plywood I have thought about using floor vents
with closeable louvers such as those you see in forced air heating systems
for houses, then curling the 3-1/2" by 10" ductwork 90 degrees to the rear
so that the opening will act as a suction/venturi type of thing from the
air rushing under the vehicle. This setup times 2 should be easily hid
underneath. As I have only been thinking of this idea, it is just theory,
but it sounds simple enough. I refuse to cut any holes in my panel's
sheetmetal. I have also thought about using a second vent system with an
in-line duct fan to induce air flow to aid in slow moving or stopped
situations, installing this vent high up on the interior walls to suck out
the hovering heat. Anyone else have any thoughts?


Subject: Panel Truck Insulation

What about insulating the roof and walls? I am not sure what to do.
I have wondered about spraying in foam behind my interior panels after
wrapping them with temporary protective plastic to make it tight as a drum
and ultra quiet. I have this awful fear however of water somehow getting
behind it and rotting it out.

Using fiberglass batting seems itchy, dusty, hazardous.

Polystyrene panels seem too rigid to get a good insulating seal, put
perhaps the best option.

I would love to hear any comments or suggestions on this one.

Thanks, Ray C

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Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 12:03:36 EDT
From: FordBones
Subject: Clearing out Extra Parts

To all fellow FORD fans.

Its spring and time to clear out lots of small parts, sorry not much in body
or drive train stuff, from a dozen parts trucks I've had /used to rebuild my
48', 50', and 51' F1-3's. Check out my ad (FORDBONES) in the Ford classifieds
or e-mail me direct.

FORDBONES aol.com

Thanks for your support.

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Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 12:49:45 -0700
From: jc & terry
Subject: varied opinions

Mr. T-Bird brings a refreshing note to a otherwise somber and dedicated
group, and
offers numerous insightful comments to counterpoint what might otherwise
degenerate
into a good ol' boys club. Recognizing the valid points Terry makes in his
usually
well thought out fashion makes it easy to overlook his obvious insanity,
true, we
Ford fans need the comfort offered by those of like mind, but we are not so
weak
in our convictions as to the true font of motorized pleasure, as to be
offended by
a supporter, for good reason of alternative motivation. Where would the line be
drawn? Certainly my plan to dismember a '47 pickup and reconstruct it with a
late
frame and electronic engine, would not meet with approval of many. I say go
ahead,
Make My Day, Mr. T.

47 Fred


words of wisdom from a TRUE motorhead. how can ya not love this guy? not
only does he know his fords but he knows people and has an eloquent style to
boot. can't wait to see the 47. i am sure it will be an examplary model of
your own unique style. the reason our rides have always been referred to as
CUSTOMS.
T-bird Terry

ps: i really liked the personal touch on the 350 with the blue paint and
the ford valve covers. pretty much says it all.

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Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 13:11:42 -0700
From: jc & terry
Subject: hood hardware

I found one in a junk yard, it was the only thing left on the truck.
Its not perfect but I got it for $4.00. Sounds like I got a bargin.

Rich
54 F100

i'll give ya $20 for it. that's a pretty slick profit, huh. 500%. tell us
what it looks like. how long did they make these?
T-bird terry

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Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 13:15:07 -0700
From: jc & terry
Subject: 64 effie

I am trying to decide if it is worth buying and if it is very
desirable to anyone else, because I already have one truck and I don't know if
I can justify two trucks. Can anyone give me any imput on this project truck?
Thanks Ken L.

if ya like it and don't mind the work, get it. only you can decide what it's
worth. my justification won't help you pay for it.
T-bird Terry



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Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 16:28:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Stokes
Subject: wiper motor 56

I am trying o come up with a way to get the wiper motor off of the
firewall. Is it possible to fabricate a munt under the dash and then turn
the motor around, or would I need to a 55 set up? Anybody done this?

Dave 56F100

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Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 19:37:51 EDT
From: KLaff61624
Subject: Spray on Foam

I do not recommend spray on foam, because it hardens too much and will
transmitt noise instead of quieting sound. Granted it is a good insulater and
if used to make a part that viberates stop , then it will aid in that area. I
recommend the aluminum foil jute backed material that is on the market now, it
does execellent and you spray a adhesive on your panels for the jute mat to
stick to. I tried the spay foam and had to remove it latter , BOY WHAT A
MESS!! Good luck on whatever you decide.


Ken L.

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Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 18:56:00 -0500
From: "Mike Morton "
Subject: Brakes

I am replacing the brakes on my 55 with discs on all four wheels. Also
putting in a master cylinder from a 75 Corvette. This does away with the
stock brake light switch that was on the back of the original master
cylinder. Does anyone have any suggestions on where to put a new switch?
I am new to Ford Trucks and have to say I really enjoy all the chit
chat. Have a Happy Easter.

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Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 19:00:00 -0500
From: "Mike Morton "
Subject: RE: Spray on Foam

I was just looking in one the recent catalogs from Eastman and they have
insulating mat (2 or 3 different ones) and a spray on adhesive. Have no
idea how it works but thought it might be interesting.
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From: KLaff61624
To: fordtrucks ListService.net
Subject: Spray on Foam
Date: Saturday, April 11, 1998 6:37PM

I do not recommend spray on foam, because it hardens too much and will
transmitt noise instead of quieting sound. Granted it is a good
insulater and
if used to make a part that viberates stop , then it will aid in that
area. I
recommend the aluminum foil jute backed material that is on the market
now, it
does execellent and you spray a adhesive on your panels for the jute mat
to
stick to. I tried the spay foam and had to remove it latter , BOY WHAT
A
MESS!! Good luck on whatever you decide.


Ken L.


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Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 21:28:03 -0400
From: Cathy Greenlaw
Subject: Re: 64 effie

> I am trying to decide if it is worth buying and if it is very
> desirable to anyone else, because I already have one truck and I don't know if
> I can justify two trucks. Can anyone give me any imput on this project truck?
> Thanks Ken L.
>
> if ya like it and don't mind the work, get it. only you can decide what it's
> worth. my justification won't help you pay for it.
> T-bird Terry

When as it, strangely enough, happens that someone asks me for advice on a the
purchase of a project vehicle like this, my favorite response is "They ain't
making them any more, when it's gone it's gone." if you can hide it somewhere,
and it doesn't take food off your table, why not go for it. You just know they
don't make 'em no more.
47 Fred

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Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 21:47:28 EDT
From: KLaff61624
Subject: brake switch

Mike,
You can install a tee fitting and use your old brake light switch
or you can mount a electric switch that works off you brake petal arm. If you
look at 70-90 automobiles you can find examples of how to fix the switch on
the brake arm.


Ken
L.

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Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 21:46:00 -0400
From: Cathy Greenlaw
Subject: Parts source

Some time ago a friend of mine gave me a catalog for a company called
Northern Auto Parts. In the back of the catalog was a form to get a free
catalog, and since the one my friend gave me was 3 or 4 months old, I
sent for one. About 6 months later, a nice glossy color catalog came, it
took me some time to realize it was the one I sent for. Now I got to
wonder about a company that's in mail order that takes that long to
respond to a catalog order, but they have decent prices and offer
rebuild kits for 239 inch '49 -'53 flatheads, and for 292/312 Y blocks
'55-'62 along with the usual new stuff.
The address is in Sioux City, Iowa phone 800-831-0884 you can
download or view their catalog with Adobe Acrobat from their site,
WWW.NAPARTS.COM.
47 Fred

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Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 21:58:57 -0400
From: Cathy Greenlaw
Subject: Re: thanks

Jan wrote:

> I've been lurking here for nearly 10 months, a wannabe mechanic, hoping at
> least the nomenclature
> would sink in, and then who knows, perhaps some day useful knowledge. The
> old gal's doing rather well, all things considered. I've begun to get under
> the hood and chassis, which is a huge step for one who knew absolutely
> nothing about the internal combustion engine

You only need 3 things to be a car nut, a car (truck)(whatever), a hammer,
and the realization that everybody in the world knows more than you do and can
do a better job than you, but not one of them will pay your bills. Dig in and
get dirty.
47 Fred

Hey Wait!! you mean someone actually understands the internal combustion
engine? Who is this slug? And why won't she/he let the rest of us in on it?

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Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 22:21:51 EDT
From: AZYacht
Subject: Re:front shock mounts.

Jeff,
Are the mounts the eyelet type or the stud type.We are interested. I
appreciate your willingness to be of help. Come up with a price and we can
talk about mailin' em out
Thanks, Gary O.
47 1/2 Panel "Hipster Dufus"

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Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 20:47:50 -0600 (MDT)
From: edward fix
Subject: 1924 Model TT truck tires

I just started to restore a 1924 Model TT one ton truck (never did anything
like this before). I have looked in many books to find out what the correct
rear tire size should be. The books usually tell you what the optional
tires could have been but do not say what the standard or most common tire
size was.

Here's what I know;

RIM: Outside dimension = 24 3/4
Inside dimension = 22 1/2
Width = 4 5/8
(all dimensions are approximate)
6 lugs demountable rims - split - Hayes

Tubes: The tubes that were in the tires when I bought the truck are;
Goodrich 33 X 5 and Goodrich Silvertown 5.50 - 20
(Not sure why they are labeled the way they are.)

I'd probably be in better shape if I kept the old tires (at least kept track
of the paper I wrote the info on).

Just in case it makes a difference, the front tires are 30 x 3 1/2.

My best guess is that the rear tires were 30 x 5.00.

If anyone can tell me what the actual correct tires size should be, I'd
really appreciate it. A possible source for the tires would also help out a
great deal.

Thanks, Ed

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Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 00:40:05 EDT
From: Fordf3
Subject: Re: 1924 Model TT truck tires

try Lucas Automotive Tire 800-952 4333

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Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 01:46:11 EDT
From: Cdalep
Subject: Re: Panel Truck Ventilation/Insulation
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