fordtrucks-digest Thursday, April 9 1998 Volume 02 : Number 096



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In this issue:

Gear and Final Drive Ratios [Alec Fernandez ]
Re: Radio for '48 to '51 F Series [Fordf3 ]
Re: converting to electronic ignition [Tkaczyk ]
Re: converting to electronic ignition [Chris Hedemark
Re: converting to electronic ignition ["Mike Morton "
Radials for F-100 [Abe Stauffer ]
RE: Radials for F-100 [Alec Fernandez ]
Re: Radio for '48 to '51 F Series [Matt Mccoy ]
Re: Radio for '48 to '51 F Series [Matt Mccoy ]
RE: Radials for F-100 ["Mike Morton "]
Re: Radio for '48 to '51 F Series [Fordf3 ]
RE: Radials for F-100 [Rich Garber ]
56 wiper motors (fwd) [David Stokes ]
ADMIN: EXTREMELY IMPORTANT! Provider cost increases, missing digests and more [Ken Payne
Re: old cars [Justin McCrite ]

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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 07:56:18 -0400
From: Alec Fernandez
Subject: Gear and Final Drive Ratios

Hello All,

While hunting for parts for my wrecked '56 I ran
across a parts truck that had a 4 speed tranny.
The ID plate had 4syn on it and I remember reading
about a 4 speed synchronized tranny that was optional in '56's. I looked in
the shop manual
for the ratios but they didn't list the tranny
in the specs section (only 4 speed they had for
for the big trucks). Anybody have any info on this?

The reason I'm asking is because I want to get a
better highway setup than the 3spd with the 3.92
gear. I saw that post 2 days ago that told about
getting a ring and pinion out of a Mercury car
with a 3.2 somthing ratio and it really peaked my
curiosity. What I'm hoping is that the 4 speed will
have a bigger 1st gear than the 3spd so I'll have
the same stump pulling power (I use this truck
for work around the house) but a better final drive
ratio for highway speeds. I know I can put a 9"
in there but I'd rather not do that if I can help
it.

Another idea is an overdrive unit but they seem hard
to find. I know of a guy who has one but the tranny
is gone from it and I don't think it will just
bolt to the back of the 3std tranny that comes in
these trucks.

BTW, I also ran across a '53 with the ORIGINAL
Fordomatic and flatty. They guy wanted around 3K
for the truck and it was in fairly good shape though
not pristine by any stretch. If anyone is interested, let me know. It's in
Ashboro, NC.

Thanks,
Alec

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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:28:05 EDT
From: Fordf3
Subject: Re: Radio for '48 to '51 F Series

Radio model #'s
1949 9zf Zenith
1949 8zt Zenith
1950 ocf Colonial
1950 ozf Zenith
1951 1cf Colonial
All are 8 tube,I dont know numbers for 1948.Can any one help?

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Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 09:59:48 -0400
From: Tkaczyk
Subject: Re: converting to electronic ignition

Jesus,

I converted my 292 to electronic ignition 20 years ago - no complaints to date.
I used a Mallory breakerless distributor, part # 1231101. No other parts needed
- - works with stock coil. Good luck.

Gary Tkaczyk (55 F100)

Jesus Cardoso wrote:

> Howdy!
>
> I am considering converting my 292 Y-Block from points to
> electronic ignition. I have seen some kits in Hemmings and Classic Trucks
> Magazine. Has anyone had any good or bad experiences with the conversion
> kits? Thanks for you time.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> Jesus Cardoso, a.k.a. Chuy
> Graduate Research Assistant (Power System Automation Lab)
> Dept. of Electrical Engineering, Texas A&M University
> College Station, TX 77843-3128
> w: 409-845-4623, h: 409-775-0737, fax: 845-6259
> Personal Address: P.O. Box 2214, College Station, TX 77841-2214
> e-mail: cardoso ee.tamu.edu, url: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ee.tamu.edu/~cardoso
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 10:40:33 -0400
From: Chris Hedemark
Subject: Re: converting to electronic ignition

Tkaczyk wrote:
>
> Jesus,
>
> I converted my 292 to electronic ignition 20 years ago - no complaints to date.
> I used a Mallory breakerless distributor, part # 1231101. No other parts needed
> - works with stock coil. Good luck.

Just to add a point - the electronic ignition allows you to run more
voltage than you could with points. Try a hotter coil on there and see
if you don't squeak out a few more HP and MPG.

- --

Chris Hedemark - chris yonderway.com - http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.yonderway.com
"From the fury of the Norsemen, oh Lord, deliver us!"

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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:47:00 -0500
From: "Mike Morton "
Subject: Re: converting to electronic ignition

I just put a early 460 in my 55 F100 and it still has a point ignition.
I just bought a Mallory Unilite kit to convert my distributor over. The
question is would I have better off to buy a whole new distributor
either from Mallory or a later unit out of a newer Ford? Has anyone had
any experience wit the kits
Thanks
Mike Morton
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From: Tkaczyk
To: fordtrucks ListService.net
Subject: Re: converting to electronic ignition
Date: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 8:59AM

Jesus,

I converted my 292 to electronic ignition 20 years ago - no complaints
to date.
I used a Mallory breakerless distributor, part # 1231101. No other
parts needed
- works with stock coil. Good luck.

Gary Tkaczyk (55 F100)

Jesus Cardoso wrote:

> Howdy!
>
> I am considering converting my 292 Y-Block from points to
> electronic ignition. I have seen some kits in Hemmings and Classic
Trucks
> Magazine. Has anyone had any good or bad experiences with the
conversion
> kits? Thanks for you time.
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>
> Jesus Cardoso, a.k.a. Chuy
> Graduate Research Assistant (Power System Automation Lab)
> Dept. of Electrical Engineering, Texas A&M University
> College Station, TX 77843-3128
> w: 409-845-4623, h: 409-775-0737, fax: 845-6259
> Personal Address: P.O. Box 2214, College Station, TX
77841-2214
> e-mail: cardoso ee.tamu.edu, url: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ee.tamu.edu/~cardoso
>
>


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Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 15:23:27 -0400
From: Abe Stauffer
Subject: Radials for F-100

Friends, A quick question: Can radials be mounted on the original stock
rims for my '54? They are 16". A guy at the tire store, who I don't
trust, said the rims have to have a groove inside on each side of the
rim. Has any one done this or must I buy newer rims to ride on radials?
Thanks, Abe Stauffer

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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:29:30 -0400
From: Alec Fernandez
Subject: RE: Radials for F-100

Abe,

I have radials on my truck as do most of the folks on this
list. The crazy thing is that the stock rims on an F-100
are 15", are you sure yours are 16"? How many nuts hold the
rim on the brake drum?

Alec

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Abe Stauffer [SMTP:astauffe oak.kcsd.k12.pa.us]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 3:23 PM
> To: fordtrucks ListService.net
> Subject: Radials for F-100
>
> Friends, A quick question: Can radials be mounted on the original stock
> rims for my '54? They are 16". A guy at the tire store, who I don't
> trust, said the rims have to have a groove inside on each side of the
> rim. Has any one done this or must I buy newer rims to ride on radials?
> Thanks, Abe Stauffer
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Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 14:35:15 -0500
From: Matt Mccoy
Subject: Re: Radio for '48 to '51 F Series

F3-
Great stuff!! Where did you find this info? And does that info include
where I can get a radio for the '51F5?

Fordf3 wrote:

> Radio model #'s
> 1949 9zf Zenith
> 1949 8zt Zenith
> 1950 ocf Colonial
> 1950 ozf Zenith
> 1951 1cf Colonial
> All are 8 tube,I dont know numbers for 1948.Can any one help?
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Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 14:38:23 -0500
From: Matt Mccoy
Subject: Re: Radio for '48 to '51 F Series

JRFiero wrote:

> In a message dated 98-04-06 20:35:01 EDT, you write:
>
>
> I have always been told those radios were very rare because people
> did not
> put
> radios in their trucks. i am interested in one also
> >>
>
> The following applies to 51 and 52 only, I don't know whether they're
> the same
> as 48-50.
>
> They aren't that rare, and there are a couple models. I bought one
> last year
> at Carlisle for $8. Don't know if it worked or not, and it needed
> knobs,
> which really are the hard part. Don't quote me on the accuracy of
> this, but
> some have 8 tubes, some 12? Trucks had different pushbuttons and
> knobs from
> cars, but other than that they're the same radio. I saw pristine
> examples of
> the better ones for something like $120. Just so you know those
> aren't typos,
> that's $8.00 and $120.00. Take your pick.
> I have one in my 51 which may work, I don't know yet, it doesn't
> have a
> speaker. But if any of you have a spare left side on/off/volume knob
> (I have
> the inner tone ring), I'd sure appreciate it. Dennis Carpenter sells
> the
> pushbuttons, passable reproductions, and I have the right side
> (tuning).
> The $8 radio has a little story. One of the things on my Carlisle
> list was
> radio knobs. I saw this radio which I was sure was the right one for
> $10, but
> no knobs. Oh, well. Wandering earlier I had spoken to a guy with a
> '52 Panel
> for sale. Later I passed by again, and he was dickering with someone
> for a
> radio for mucho bucks. The radio seller left, so I told the Panel
> guy about
> the $10 radio. Turns out he really wanted to fill the hole in another
> '51 he
> had. So later in the day I bought the $10 radio for $8 and presented
> it to
> the Panel guy, and showed him the pushbuttons I'd bought from
> Carpenter. Good
> day all around.
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JR-
If I can't get to Carlisle, any suggestions where I can get one for the
51 F5. Per FordF3,, I need a Colonial Model #1cf. By the way, great
story!!

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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:12:00 -0500
From: "Mike Morton "
Subject: RE: Radials for F-100

Alec,

The service manual for my '55' lists 16" as the stock wheels. 5 lugnuts
on a 4.75" or 5' bolt pattern.
I don't know if you can put radials on the stock wheels as i am changing
mine to 15" with 5 lugs
on a 4.5" pattern.

Mike Morton

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From: Alec Fernandez
To: 'fordtrucks ListService.net'
Subject: RE: Radials for F-100
Date: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 2:29PM

Abe,

I have radials on my truck as do most of the folks on this
list. The crazy thing is that the stock rims on an F-100
are 15", are you sure yours are 16"? How many nuts hold the
rim on the brake drum?

Alec

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Abe Stauffer [SMTP:astauffe oak.kcsd.k12.pa.us]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 3:23 PM
> To: fordtrucks ListService.net
> Subject: Radials for F-100
>
> Friends, A quick question: Can radials be mounted on the original
stock
> rims for my '54? They are 16". A guy at the tire store, who I don't
> trust, said the rims have to have a groove inside on each side of the
> rim. Has any one done this or must I buy newer rims to ride on
radials?
> Thanks, Abe Stauffer
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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 20:01:17 EDT
From: Fordf3
Subject: Re: Radio for '48 to '51 F Series

Yes that is good for all 51's

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Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 19:51:59 -0500
From: Rich Garber
Subject: RE: Radials for F-100

At 03:29 PM 4/8/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Abe,
>
>I have radials on my truck as do most of the folks on this
>list. The crazy thing is that the stock rims on an F-100
>are 15", are you sure yours are 16"? How many nuts hold the
>rim on the brake drum?
>
>Alec,

It depends on what year. My 54 came with 16" an 15" were an option.

Rich
54 F100

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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 17:23:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Stokes
Subject: 56 wiper motors (fwd)

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I have some pictures of 56's with the wiper motors not on the firewall.
They appear to be under the dash like the 53-55's. Can the 56 wiper
motor be modified to fit under the dash, or will I have to use a 53-55.
Has anybody ever done this and if so what is involved?


Dave 56f100



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Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 22:56:01 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: EXTREMELY IMPORTANT! Provider cost increases, missing digests and more

PLEASE READ THIS POST - THIS DIRECTLY AFFECTS THE LISTS!!!!
It's very long but extremely important.
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As many may have noticed, digests for several lists have been
"lost" over the last several weeks and yesterday, the 61-79 list
had 2 digests disappear into the bit bucket. Additionally, some
posts never made it to either list last night. Sorry, but they
aren't recoverable.

We emailed Esosoft (our list server provider) about this and got
this reply:

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The list service server had some problems with having over 200 zombie
processes running. Normal operation has about 2-3. This has been corrected.
However the list service server is always running high volume which means he
is quite busy. This is because there are some lists on this server where
each list is using about 20-25% of the total capacity of the whole server.
We have brought this to the attention of our management, but until they
make decision it will take its time.

However we see that such things happen quite often and therefore our
management decided that such kind of lists cannot cause problems for all
other lists on our servers. The only possibility to change this is the
change of our pricing structure. Those new things are planned to go
official around June, July....

I see you are currently having 5 lists with us. After the change your lists
will cost at least $50.00 per month. Charged will be according the messages
you send through our servers (number of subscribers X post).

After this date you really should consider switching to a VS type A. First
it will only cost $45.00 per month. Second your are running in your
complete own environment. This means no other customer on this server can
consume your resources. And there is no limit on the number of messages you
are going to send. Also you can create as much lists you want without any
extra cost. Of course you will be limited by the resources, however such a
server can handle around 30-40 lists without any problems.

If for example a 6,000 member mailing list posts to the server where you
are hosted you will notice he will slow down, but on your Virtual Server
such a thing can't happen....

You also have a $7 account with us. This means you can also put this
account onto your server. If you want we can also install our enhanced
Majordomo (includes a little setup program for mailing lists) to your
server which will cost a one-time $25.00 setup fee. Second your lists will
run under own domain name. You probably know the setup fee for a Virtual
Server is $50.00, however if you use our virtual hosting service, the setup
cost will be only $25.00.

Contact sales Esosoft.com for more information about our Virtual Server
Service.

Regards

Andrew Gordon
Esosoft Support
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What this means is our costs will more than double. Most likely
they will triple because some of the lists (61-79 and 80-96) are
high volume lists with many members. Current expenses are slightly
over $50/month and will go to $100-$150/month. We cannot justify
the increases. We are going to check into getting a virtual
server, either from Esosoft or another company. This will increase
our costs, but to a lesser extent than what Esosoft is proposing
with their list price increases.

In the meantime, until we find another solution, we're asking list
members to keep traffic down on the 80-96 and 61-79 lists by
not sending "I agree" and "me too" posts. Also, please trim
down long original messages when replying to them. Failure to
do this will only make things worse and cause more lost digests.

To offset costs, we're asking those that can, to buy one (or
more) of our static cling auto window stickers or the Restoration
Resources guide we sell. Info can be found at:

http://www.ford-trucks.com/products/index.shtml

As always, we will not play favorites with those who buy something.
We will not charge for list services, if you're broke, don't
worry about it.

And more bad news....
Free Web Space Notice:

Sorry to tell everyone this after making the web space announcement
just a couple of days ago. We have been made aware that we cannot
allow others to access the web site unless we get a re seller account
with Dezines.com (our web provider). Naturally, this costs more.

Here's what Dezines Acceptable Use Policy States:
"16. Client is allowed to resell the storage and transfer services
provided by DeZines. Client agrees to handle and is responsible
for all third-party customer's content, support, set-up and
maintenance. DeZines agrees to Reseller pricing as described on
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to having the necessary additional knowledge and skill level for
the reselling services provided. The Client's clients shall not
contact DeZines under any circumstances."

Although we are not reselling space, we are, in essence, providing
the same service as a reseller and could lose the account because
of it. The only solution to both this problem and the mailing list
problem is a virtual server. Finding another list provider is
out of the question as Esosoft is the cheapest in the industry.
We'll have to provide the lists and web space ourselves with a virtual
server. With this in mind, free web space has been put on hold
until we get a virtual server. Expect to see a transition in
2-3 weeks when we switch providers. We may be down for a day
or two but we hope to overlap services so this won't happen. The
good news is with a virtual server we'll be able to add more lists
without increasing costs on a per/list basis.

A move to a virtual server will happen ASAP. We're not waiting
around until the last minute. We had a feeling this was coming, no
one can afford to provide mailing list services for $5/list per
month and keep their systems from bogging down.

Your help would be appreciated as our startup costs (from a quick
glance on Yahoo.com) aren't going to be cheap. Most want a setup
fee plus several months prepaid.

Please do not send "donations." We're not a charity and we'd rather
have you buy stickers or books. If you send $10 (or more), remember
to specify whether you are buying one sticker for $10 or 3 for $3.33
each!

We're in a jam and we hope to get out of it soon. We'll keep the
members updated as to our progress. Offers for free web hosting,
as has happened in the past, will most likely be declined. Our
mailing lists generate 10,000-20,000+ emails daily, the (very
popular) web site has transfers in excess of 4 gigabytes/month and
our disk usage is increasing each month. This is not a small site
and the burden is too much to pawn off on someone.

If you must reply to this email via the lists, trim it down to
the parts you're replying to. We'd prefer that you send comments
privately to kpayne mindspring.com in order to keep list activity
down.

Regards,
Ken and Peggy Payne
CoAdmins, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 23:01:14 -0700
From: Justin McCrite
Subject: Re: old cars

What is this "T-Bird" Terry guy doing on this list? When I subscribed to this
list, I thought I wouldn't have to listen to guys that actually think chevy's
are better than Fords. I get enough crap at school (Arizona Automotive
Institute) from the chevy guys. This is a Ford truck list, if you don't like
Fords please keep your negative comments to yourself. The rest of us would like
to enjoy talking and bragging about our Fords without some little bowtie
wearing guy butting in.

jc & terry wrote:

> . Seeing a newsclip of the aftermath of a derby reminds me of those old
> photos you see of giant junk yard full of model T's, Duces and A's. In a
> perfect world, after long and faith years of toil, all automobiles should
> be sent to a large grassy, well drained and shady field to become classics
> and be restored to beauty. All except Chevrolets of course, they have go to
> a wet sunny field to return to the earth as iron so they can be
> reincarnated as something useful.....


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