fordtrucks-digest Monday, April 6 1998 Volume 02 : Number 093



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In this issue:

Truck T-shirt ["Don & Teresa Neighbors" ]
Re: Truck T-shirt [Ken Payne ]
Re: Truck T-shirt [Pea Soup A ]
Re: demolition derby demolition ["Mike Morton "]
Re: demolition derby demolition [Randall ]
Re: Cooling my flathead. [Brechtjohn ]
Temp gauge and dash lights problems [John Pease ]
Radio for '48 to '51 F Series [Matthew McCoy ]
Re: Radio for '48 to '51 F Series [Fordf3 ]
55 Radio [Tkaczyk ]
old cars [jc & terry ]
nine inch [jc & terry ]
Re: Radio for '48 to '51 F Series [thoffman wholevillage.com (Tim Hoffman]
Stroker question ["Doug Mclaughlin" ]
Flathead exhaust question ["Mr. Flood" ]
47 Streetrod [Cathy Greenlaw ]
Re: nine inch [Scott ]
Re: Flathead exhaust question [Pea Soup A ]
Re: Flathead exhaust question [Rich Garber ]
Re: Flathead exhaust question [Pea Soup A ]

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Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 11:43:13 -0400
From: "Don & Teresa Neighbors"
Subject: Truck T-shirt

Hey, Ken:

You could make a tee shirt with a picture of Grover on it that reads
"DON'T LET THIS HAPPEN TO YOUR FORD TRUCK!"

Don Neighbors
'54 F250 Named Grover

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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 11:55:02 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: Truck T-shirt

At 11:43 AM 4/5/98 -0400, you wrote:
> Hey, Ken:
>
> You could make a tee shirt with a picture of Grover on it that reads
>"DON'T LET THIS HAPPEN TO YOUR FORD TRUCK!"
>
> Don Neighbors
> '54 F250 Named Grover

Or "Hey, It Beats Driving A Chevy!"
Ken

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Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 12:46:32 EDT
From: Pea Soup A
Subject: Re: Truck T-shirt

you can use the ' Filthy one' and the dragster, from your site or one of the
pictures that Scott has on his site

Photo's Of Bob's 1951 at Geocities ......Bob, Pea Soup A

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Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 12:25:00 -0500
From: "Mike Morton "
Subject: Re: demolition derby demolition

I couldn't agree more!
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From: Cathy Greenlaw
To: fordtrucks listservice.net
Subject: Re: demolition derby demolition
Date: Saturday, April 04, 1998 9:30PM



Scott wrote:

> I know that this doesn't have much to do with Ford Trucks but it does
> apply to trucks in a way and is great for the Fory Chevy battle. This
> is a demolition derby site that a friend has sent me and if you guys
> are like me and like to break things you will enjoy it.
> Scott

I wonder how all you restoration people and street rodders feel about
demolition derbies? Personally, I hate them, the people that organize
them
and the people that attend them and the people that participate in them,
does that cover it all? When I think about how many would be classics
are
busted up, their motors boiled, transmissions cracked and even the darn
axles broken all in the name of "motorsports" it kind of makes me boil
too. Seeing a newsclip of the aftermath of a derby reminds me of those
old
photos you see of giant junk yard full of model T's, Duces and A's. In
a
perfect world, after long and faith years of toil, all automobiles
should
be sent to a large grassy, well drained and shady field to become
classics
and be restored to beauty. All except Chevrolets of course, they have go
to
a wet sunny field to return to the earth as iron so they can be
reincarnated as something useful.



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Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 12:46:45 -0600
From: Randall
Subject: Re: demolition derby demolition

> I wonder how all you restoration people and street rodders feel
> about
> demolition derbies? Personally, I hate them, the people that organize
> them
> and the people that attend them and the people that participate in
> them,
> does that cover it all? When I think about how many would be classics
> are
> busted up, their motors boiled, transmissions cracked and even the
> darn
> axles broken all in the name of "motorsports" it kind of makes me
> boil
> too. Seeing a newsclip of the aftermath of a derby reminds me of those
> old
> photos you see of giant junk yard full of model T's, Duces and A's.
> In a
> perfect world, after long and faith years of toil, all automobiles
> should
> be sent to a large grassy, well drained and shady field to become
> classics
> and be restored to beauty. All except Chevrolets of course, they have
> go to
> a wet sunny field to return to the earth as iron so they can be
> reincarnated as something useful.

I must agree with you. I worked at a local speedway for a few years and
saw many demo derbys and, while I did enjoy them, I saw many good cars
go to waste. It is actualy quite hard to find mid 70's stationwagons
these days because they all have been bought up by the demmo guys!The
worst sight I have seen in a demo is a '63 Chrysler Imperial that looked
to be streight and rust free, when it started, the only redeemiong
factor of the Impy's demize is that it won the demo and went on to win
the next one as well, this without ANY modification to the body except
removing the gas tank, glass and welding the doors shut and welding a
bar across the drivers door (all the local rules allow).

I would much rather see the cars be put to pasture than to hasten their
demize in such a manner. Also the demo derby practice is helping the
"Junker Law" bastards by getting old cars ready for the crusher before
theis time. Think about that one!

S BLAMMO
srandall flash.net
'60 F-100, waiting for work
'59 F-100 parts truck, waiting

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Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 15:52:11 EDT
From: Brechtjohn
Subject: Re: Cooling my flathead.

I have a question and a comment about the cooling of flatheads. First I would
like to add this to the debate about the rate of coolant through a flathead.
It is so, that a certain unimpeded flow through the engine will lead to an
overheating problem. In FORD SERVICE MANUALS they recommend enlarging the
holes, "for better cooling" on the cylinder heads to 3/4" at top center and to
5/8" at the center between #2 and #3 cylinder bores. Also to use the new
cylinder head gaskets with a 5/16" hole in it instead of the large blunt-cone
shaped openning. This "new" configuration helps distribute the coolant more
effectively through the cylinder head and provide some impedence to its flow.
The use of a 180 degree thermostat is also highly touted to restrict the flow
and allow the coolent in the radiator time enought to cool. This brings me
to my question. Last year I rebuilt my flathead and put in new PELLET STYLE
THERMOSTATS rated at 180 degrees. When I warm my engine up I notice an
increase in temperature to the near hot zone on my temp guage. When the
thermostats open the temp guage drops to normal. When I had my old BELLOWS
STYLE 160 dgree thermostats in I never experienced this situation. Is this a
problem occuring? Is there a difference between the bellows style and new
pellet style thermostats and their responce to temperature? Do the two styles
of thermostats respond defferently to coolant? I have some NOS bellows style
thermostats but I heard that they don't work as well with the modern coolants.
Can any of you flathead people or knowledgable others address this situation?

Thank you
John Brecht

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Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 05:20:13 -0600
From: John Pease
Subject: Temp gauge and dash lights problems

Hello everyone,

I am the lady with the '55 F350 named "Bruce".

We drove Bruce into town last night to have supper, and I noticed after I
had shut off the key that the temperature gauge read hot. We opened the
hood and it was steaming around where you put the oil in and in the area
where the usual spilt oil from the valve covers being bad was, but there
was plenty of oil in the motor. My husband knows nothing about vehicles.
He doesn't even drive. Then I saw one of the local "gearheads" who I had
graduated from high school with ( By the way, I mean no disrespect to this
individual by calling him a gearhead. This word best describes him. He is
a highly intelligent individual who possesses knowledge about these matters
that I wish I had.:-)) He said maybe it is the gauge since the radiator
had plenty of water in it and was just resently repaired and a new
thermostat installed. Sure enough I turned on the switch and the gauge
immediately went down when my mechanic friend fiddled with a wire under the
hood. He isn't a "ford man" and always gave me a world of crap in school
for driving a Mustang so I didn't want to trouble him further (he was/is
into Cryslers). This is the only gauge that is doing this. What would
make the gauge show hot when the switch is off and go back down when it is
turned on? Also, I am having trouble with my dash lights not coming on. I
have to fiddle with the switch to get them to stay on.

Thanks in Advance for any help with my most current problems.:-)

Terry/NWIA
"F350 Lady"

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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 18:40:33 -0500
From: Matthew McCoy
Subject: Radio for '48 to '51 F Series

Looking for radio for '51 F-5. Believe any from 48-51 F series will
work. Any help out there?

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Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 19:40:27 EDT
From: Fordf3
Subject: Re: Radio for '48 to '51 F Series

I under stand that is impossible to get

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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 19:58:46 -0400
From: Tkaczyk
Subject: 55 Radio

I came across 2 1955 Ford (round face) radios at a swap meet today.
Seller wants $75/OBO, each. Not sure if they are from a car or truck,
but if anyone knows the difference and needs one, please email me
directly and I'll put you in touch with the owner.

Gary Tkaczyk

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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 17:52:20 -0700
From: jc & terry
Subject: old cars

. Seeing a newsclip of the aftermath of a derby reminds me of those old
photos you see of giant junk yard full of model T's, Duces and A's. In a
perfect world, after long and faith years of toil, all automobiles should
be sent to a large grassy, well drained and shady field to become classics
and be restored to beauty. All except Chevrolets of course, they have go to
a wet sunny field to return to the earth as iron so they can be
reincarnated as something useful.

47fred

i got to admit that fred is at least consistant and i give him a lot of
credit for his endurance but i'm not gonna step in the trap this time. it
takes an awful lot to catch an old fox, especially when the bait is chasing
him. besides everyone knows that the chevie's usefulness is to give those
t's, a's and dueces a reliable way to get from show to show.
T-bird Terry

ps. tell that fella about the cleveland so i can have something to disagree
with.

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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 18:02:50 -0700
From: jc & terry
Subject: nine inch

have found a 1975 Lincoln Mark IV for sale. It has disk all around
and I was wondering if it would have a nine inch in the rear? It has
a nice 460 so I am thinking that it would. My idea is to buy it if it
does and when I do another truck I could use that engine and rear end.
One more thing, how much do you think a nine inch with disk would
sell for and, are the 460's that commen?
Scott

yes it should be a nine inch and a good one if the pieces are all their.
they sell for about 250-400 in whole condition. if you are missing anything
you could be inserious trouble as this was another of ford's "nothing else
fits it" projects. the parts are no longer manufactured and when they are
found they are out of sight. this rear end is also strange in that the rear
adjusters are operated by using the emergency brake. keep this in mind.
on the other hand if this is a whole running car you could have a prize.
engine, tranny, rearend, master cylinder, propotioning valve, many interior
parts, seats, radio, radiator and the list goes on. big ford mills are
common enough for easy parts if that's what you mean.
T-bird Terry

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Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 01:18:40 GMT
From: thoffman wholevillage.com (Tim Hoffman)
Subject: Re: Radio for '48 to '51 F Series

I may have an extra. I'm waiting for it to be shipped to me right now,
then I'll know for sure. The guy had pictures and they looked almost
exactly like mine.

Are you looking for a completely restored radio, or a more common
"dead" one that needs work?

On Sun, 05 Apr 1998 18:40:33 -0500, you wrote:

>Looking for radio for '51 F-5. Believe any from 48-51 F series will
>work. Any help out there?
>
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Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 21:05:57 -0500
From: "Doug Mclaughlin"
Subject: Stroker question

I have a 75 460 that I need to rebuild (it hasn't ran in 15 yrs). I have
heard about the torque increase that I can get by stroking the motor. I
found a kit from Jeggs and was wondering if anyone has any advice?
I am thinking of having the heads shaved to increase compression and
installing a high lift,long duration cam to further increase torque. What
kind of cam would be best? Would swapping heads from a 428 be a better idea?
What do I need to have done to the C6 to be able to handle this torque
monster? Should I find 1-ton driveshafts to replace the stock 1 tons? The
76 9-in. can handle the torque but since this is a 4x4 I am working on I
wonder if the front Dana 44 is strong enough. To assure anyone who thinks I
am posting in the wrong Digest I want you to know that this drivetrain is
going under a 56 f100. Everyone has lowered or restored Effies, I wanted to
be different. Thanks in advance for any and all advice.

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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 21:17:32 -0500
From: "Mr. Flood"
Subject: Flathead exhaust question

Hello

The time is getting near here in northern Wisconsin, to tow
out the old Ford truck and see if this winters dreams can
get a little closer to reality. My '39 truck has not run
since '67. The exhust manifolds are both cracked and one
has a weld repair. I'm luck to know an old guy who gives me
parts every now and then. He gave me what looks like almost
new exhaust manifolds. The question is:
Will it be difficult to start with out any exhaust at all??

Does compression have any play here?

Can I use the original type of manifold, but connect two
separate mufflers?

Will my neighbors hate me when I run this truck without
exhaust and mufflers? :-)

I have a long way to go with this truck, but would like to
know if the engine works before I continue too far.

Thanks,

Bill Flood
Marathon, WI
'39 P/U

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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 22:29:12 -0400
From: Cathy Greenlaw
Subject: 47 Streetrod

As frequent liters may recall, I have been working on a '47 Pickup
street rod project. I finally got off my dead duff and subjected my '87
Crown Vic cop car to the ax, pulling out the engine, transmission and
wiring. I'm starting to rethink my lot in life here, there are so many
wires, sensors, relays and solenoids here that the engine looks like a
Christmas tree what with little tags saying "TAB", " TAD". "ACT",
"BYPASS AIR SOL" and the like. you guys running original point and coil
don't know what fun you're missing, I think there's more wire in the Air
Cond wide open throttle cut out circuit than in the whole engine room of
most Effies. I'd spent a fair amount of time figuring out the color
codes and redrawing the wiring schematics but it was well worth it, it
made identifying the various sensor and actuators fairly easy, although
I still found places where the color code called for colors that didn't
look a lot like the color I found on the car. Anyone wild enough to
embark on a similar project, I'd recommend "Ford Fuel Injection and
Electronic Engine Control" by Charles Probst. The ISBN is 0-8376-0302-1,
Amazon.Com has it, be sure to get the right series for your motor, 80 -
87 for speed density and throttle body systems, '88 up for mass air. Ben
Watson's book "How to Tune & Modify Ford Fuel Injection" doesn't have
as much technical data but it does have a really nice section on color
codes, much better than Probst. Anyone with a brain in their head, don't
do like I did, get the '88 up mass air motor.

I'm going through and cleaning up the motor now, and plan to drop it
into the Ranger fame in a week or so. The snow and ice and mud seem to
have finally left the yard, if I don't get moving, I'm looking at
another year of driving the old stovebolt.

47 Fred

PS: what do you want to know about Cleveland motors Mr. Fox? Did you
ever consider why there are so many Chevy powered rides, is that no one
throws away a Ford 'till it's well worn out? Perhaps that thought is
disagreeable enough.

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Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 19:55:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: Scott
Subject: Re: nine inch

> have found a 1975 Lincoln Mark IV for sale. It has disk all around
> and I was wondering if it would have a nine inch in the rear?
>
> yes it should be a nine inch and a good one if the pieces are all
their.
> they sell for about 250-400 in whole condition.
> on the other hand if this is a whole running car you could have a
prize.
> engine, tranny, rearend, master cylinder, propotioning valve, many
interior
> parts, seats, radio, radiator and the list goes on. big ford mills are
> common enough for easy parts if that's what you mean.
> T-bird Terry
It's the whole car, 8-track too! It would be a shame to part it out
but I think that it would be a good investment. I take it that the
price is in US funds (I live in Canada). It should pass mech but it
needs new muffs and my neighbour told me that you can get cherry bombs
for $20cnd so that might be fun. My dad doesn't seem too hot on the
idea though because he thinks that it wouldn't be worth it, can you
guys give me some excues? Oh yea, the body is in great shape, not
dents or crap but it is rusting in the lower fenders but that's it.
And it's fully loaded, how many horse would it have stock? I need
this car.
Thanks, Scott
==


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Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 23:06:29 EDT
From: Pea Soup A
Subject: Re: Flathead exhaust question

In a message dated 98-04-05 22:13:43 EDT, you write:


exhaust and mufflers? :-) >>
.......To this will say...PROBABLY....they get a little excited in my
neighborhood when l pull the dragster out of the garage...even though we pick
our starting places carefully.......l don't think it is good for the valves to
run the engine without some kind of headers or exhaust system.........Bob

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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 22:20:21 -0500
From: Rich Garber
Subject: Re: Flathead exhaust question....

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