fordtrucks-digest Sunday, March 29 1998 Volume 02 : Number 083
Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1960 And Older Trucks Digest
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In this issue:
Re: junk yards [JRFiero ]
About that 360... ["Don & Teresa Neighbors" ]
Cheap Engine Modifications [ynot80 juno.com (Tony S Pinzino)]
New and Improved stickers [Ken Payne ]
Re: hood ornament [JPerel ]
'54 Spring/Shock shackle assembly [Jack Fleming ]
just love those 460's [Cathy Greenlaw ]
cheap HiPO 351 [Cathy Greenlaw ]
Re:more About that 360... [Cathy Greenlaw ]
RE: '54 Spring/Shock shackle assembly ["Goodwrench" ]
1951 carb [Scott ]
56 Hood Orn/SS Vent Frames [Ray Cardogno ]
Ram style exhaust manifolds [David Stokes
Original Radiators [David Stokes ]
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 09:02:50 EST
Subject: Re: junk yards
Sounds like you found a little gold mine.
I don't think hood ornaments were ever a Ford option on the 53-56 trucks, but
were often added by owners, from whatever they thought looked cool. I have
what I'm told is a '57 Fairlane hood ornament on my '51, and as soon as I get
confident enough with my MIG welder, it's coming off.
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 10:37:52 -0500
From: "Don & Teresa Neighbors"
Subject: About that 360...
Fagerholm said in the last Digest that he'd like to one day bore out a 360
to make a 390. The 360 alread shares the same bore as the 390. According
tho Steve Christ in his book on the FE block engine, a 360 is nothing more
than a 390 with a 352 crank. If you put a 428 crank in it, you get a 410.
Of course the proper connecting rods and pistons should be used.
The FT (the truck version of the FE) engines like the 360 usually have
heads with small valves, and different heat passages in the head and intake
manifold. If you want to improve perfomance, trash all the truck parts and
bolt on car parts. It's not a bad idea to go to an aftermarket aluminum
intake, if you are foing to go to the trouble, since the intake manifold
weighs almost as much as a small European sports car!
I got 10 to 13 mpg with a badly tuned 428 in a Mercury station wagon. That
360 ought to do better if you put the right mods on it. Check out "How to
Rebuild Your Big Block Ford", by Steve Christ. It will answer almost any
question you have about that 360.
'54 F250 Named Grover
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 13:07:35 -0500
From: ynot80 juno.com (Tony S Pinzino)
Subject: Cheap Engine Modifications
I have a stock 351 W in my 1955 F-100 . I want to know about how much
horse power I can expect to get from it ? Also any advice on cheap and
easy ways to get more horsepower out of it would be appreciated.
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 16:00:33 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: New and Improved stickers
The 1st batch of stickers that we've been selling to fund
the web site and the Ford truck mailing lists have finally
been sold. We just got our second batch back from the
printer. Its very similar to the current sticker except
its larger and the web address font is different. This
sticker is **much** easier to read. Price is the same.
For those that don't know, to fund the web site I sell
static cling window stickers. Go to the main page and
click "Products" for full information (note, the page
says the sticker is 2.75" x 11", its now 3" x 12").
Now returning you to our regularly scheduled program...
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 18:53:41 EST
Subject: Re: hood ornament
almost sounds like he's got one off an old pontiac or something stuck on
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 19:01:04 -0500
From: Jack Fleming
Subject: '54 Spring/Shock shackle assembly
>>>I've almost got my 54 F100 on the road. However, I'm having trouble getting
>>>past Penna inspection due to rear shock and shackle assembly problems.
>>>There is a plate attached to the bottom of each rear leaf spring using
>>>shackle "U" bolts. This plate serves as the bottom mounting mechanism for
>>>the rear shock absorber. The plate on both sides of my truck is badly
>>>rusted out and coming apart. Both the plates and shocks need
>>>replaced.....but I can't find these plates anywhere! I've checked all of
>>>my web sites and catalogues for parts (Mac's, etc) and no one lists the
>>>part. Anyone have any ideas on possible sources, or an idea of how I could
>>>get them fabricated? All suggestions appreciated.
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 19:32:13 -0500
From: Cathy Greenlaw
Subject: just love those 460's
> I know the saying nothing beats cubic
> inches, Also, anyone who has any opinion about the 460,
> what so ever, please respond.
I just love it when someone asks my opinion, and if you can pour in the gas,
there ain't nothing that 460 can't do power wise, there are any number of cams,
manifolds pistons, the works out there. You can bolt on BOSS 429 heads and
manifold (is you can find some) and make 8 or 900 streetable horsepower. The Ford
mortorsports catalog (not the wussey one that sells jackets and hats) has got a
bunch of stuff. Summit racing and Jegs also. Just with a mild cam and a
aftermarket manifold and carb, you can easy get 350 + horsepower and a good idle
For those poor souls that missed the late 60's and have had to drive V6 and 4
banger wimp mobiles, there just isn't any experiance like the stump pulling power
of a big block. I was at "Mustang day" at a drag strip some time ago, I met a guy
with a '72 Camper Special F250. He had a 390 with headers, a &50 Holley and a
mild cam. When he drove that bad boy down the strip you knew that it wen't no 5
> I have a stock 351 W in my 1955 F-100 . I want to know about how much
> horse power I can expect to get from it ? Also any advice on cheap and
> easy ways to get more horsepower out of it would be appreciated.
A stock late 70's 351W is only rated about 145Hp, give or take a few, but I
think its one of the most overlooked and best motors out there. Its got a
good oil system, its relatively small and light and because it's a tall
block version of the 302, lots of good stuff is out there. Using Summit
Racing, a M6250A351 cam with 204 intake and 214 exhaust duration and .448 &
.472" lift is $80, a set of lifters, Summit brand, is $34, a roller timing
chain and sprockets is $40. A package deal of Edelbrock manifold, 600 cfm
holley, gaskets and air cleaner is $335.A set of headers goes for $80, but
may be lots more to get a set that fits an early truck. Total : $570, about
300HP. Don't pay any attention to T"Chevy"Bird Terry, 351/302 stuff is darn
near the same money these days. All this stuff is mild enought that you
won't need engine or head work unless the motor is trash now.
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 20:17:56 -0500
From: Cathy Greenlaw
Subject: Re:more About that 360...
Don & Teresa Neighbors wrote:
> Fagerholm said in the last Digest that he'd like to one day bore out a 360
> to make a 390. The 360 alread shares the same bore as the 390. According
> tho Steve Christ in his book on the FE block engine, a 360 is nothing more
> than a 390 with a 352 crank.
Don & Teresa make some good points here, but to be picky, the 360 is 4.000 bore, the
390, 4.050. The 390 crank is the same as the 427's for what that worth. I heard the
story that the reason the 360 is called that instead of a 352 which it is, is because
the 352 had a bad reputation as a powerless and troublesome gas hog, which is not a
good way to market your products. by calling the FT motor a 360, the whole issue is
avoided. The newer 351W and 351C motors also have the same bore and stroke as the 352
and neither of these engines are called a 352 either. But at 351.68, I guess it could
go either way. By the way, isn't it a damn shame how Ford got away from the easy
interchangability of the Y block and FE series and gave us such wonders as the 351M
That plate with the shock mount sounds just like what is below the 9"
rear in my '41 half ton. The person who put the rear in did a real
butcher job, because the springs he used are really too long. I'm going
to be replacing mine with a kit from Chassis Engineering as soon as I
can find a new rear crossmember for the frame. I will probably have the
plates to get rid of at that time, but meanwhile I'm thinking that they
probably were under late '50s or early '60s Ford cars. I bet too new
too be listed in places like Mac's, but too old for most Ford parts men
to remember them. Try to find a junk yard that has this older stuff.
If you still have no success, I can take a closer look at the ones in my
truck and see if they are what you need.
Check out Goodwrench's CyberRanch:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jack Fleming
> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 1998 6:01 PM
> Subject: '54 Spring/Shock shackle assembly
> >>>There is a plate attached to the bottom of each rear leaf spring
> >>>shackle "U" bolts. This plate serves as the bottom mounting
> >>>the rear shock absorber. The plate on both sides of my truck is
> >>>rusted out and coming apart. Both the plates and shocks need
> >>>replaced.....but I can't find these plates anywhere! I've checked
> >>>my web sites and catalogues for parts (Mac's, etc) and no one lists
> >>>part. Anyone have any ideas on possible sources
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 18:46:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: 1951 carb
Got a e-mail from a guy and I don't have a clue how to help him but I
was wondering if anyone else could. Here is the question:
"I am slowly restoring a 1951 F-1, 6-cylinder, 226. My carb is running
super-rich. Any ideas or help on locating a better one would be
1952 Ford Pickup
Please take a look at my 1952 Ford Pickup Page:
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 21:55:32 -0400
From: Ray Cardogno
Subject: 56 Hood Orn/SS Vent Frames
>>on what I found. I saw a 56 with a hood ornament that I havn't seen
>>before, it was 15" or so long, with an indian head. Was this an
>>option? If so on what years?
Sounds like a Pontiac hood orn. attached to a Ford. They were cool lookin.
Some of'em lit up too.
>>Second question, I also found a 55 custom cab, the vent windows are
>>stainless steel. did 54 have these as well?
>>This is an F350, will they fit an F100?
Yes they do/will
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 22:13:56 -0800 (PST)
From: David Stokes
Subject: Ram style exhaust manifolds
I sort of inherited a Y block that came with a couple of different
manifolds. How do I tell if I have a Ram style?
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 22:16:48 -0800 (PST)
From: David Stokes
Subject: Original Radiators
I am working on a 56 and I am now to the radiator. I have an original. I....To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User
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