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fordtrucks-digest Wednesday, March 25 1998 Volume 02 : Number 079



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In this issue:

Re: '51 F5 Front Hood Grille Color? [Matt Mccoy ]
Re: body filler ["Mike Smith" ]
Re: '51 F5 Front Hood Grille Color? ["Mike Smith"
Re: '51 F5 Front Hood Grille Color? [Fordf3 ]
Re: 47 Street Rod inquiry [Cathy Greenlaw ]
RE: body filler ["Goodwrench" ]
51 F5 Shop Manual ["davet" ]
tilt [jc & terry ]
body filler [jc & terry ]
The Ugly Truckling [Ray Cardogno ]

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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:12:11 -0600
From: Matt Mccoy
Subject: Re: '51 F5 Front Hood Grille Color?

JR
Your assumption is correct as to which piece on the hood. If I have the
correct number, the serial numberbegins w/ C5R1H... The ID plate also
references 14000 lbs., W.B. 158 (assuming wheel base?), 90 H.P. , and
color code of D.

I will run the Argent color by my paint guy... Never heard of it...

Which book would you recomend that tells most about this truck?
Thanks for the information. Keep it coming!

JRFiero wrote:

> In a message dated 98-03-23 17:50:29 EST, you write:
>
>
> It
> appears to be a gray, or dull silver, but the truck was repainted at
> some point of its life. Any takers?
> >>
> By "hood grille' I guess you mean the trim on the front of the hood
> which says
> Ford. 'Argent' was what Ford called the silver color in early '51, at
> least.
> I've seen several new old stock pieces that were that color. However,
> I have
> ads which show the grill and hood trim as body color on the bigger
> trucks,
> which include the F-5. My F1 has chrome, but I haven't been able to
> determine
> if that was a Ford option. I've been trying to find when Ford changed
> the
> grill color from Argent to beige, which was sometime in '51. Does
> your serial
> begin with F5? At least up throught the F4, serials like that mean
> the truck
> was built after September 1, 4, or 15, depending on which book you
> read. If
> it begins with 97 or 98 its earlier.
> I don't know exactly how to specify 'Argent' paint. Several people
> offer a
> silver wheel color called Argent - don't know if its the same.
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:57:03 -0600
From: "Mike Smith"
Subject: Re: body filler

It sounds like you may not be getting enough hardner in the filler. This
causes it to stay putty like and never harden all of the way.
Mike
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From: Scott
To: fordtrucks ListService.net
Date: Monday, March 23, 1998 11:50 PM
Subject: body filler


>We are currently doing the filler on the body and it keeps building up
>in the sand paper. It looks like black thinks and they build up but
>can be scraped out using your finger nail. Has anyone else had this
>problem or have any ideas why this might happen?
>Scott
>
>
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:03:01 -0600
From: "Mike Smith"
Subject: Re: '51 F5 Front Hood Grille Color?

- -----Original Message-----
From: JRFiero
To: fordtrucks ListService.net
Date: Monday, March 23, 1998 11:38 PM
Subject: Re: '51 F5 Front Hood Grille Color?


>In a message dated 98-03-23 17:50:29 EST, you write:
My F1 has chrome, but I haven't been able to determine
>if that was a Ford option.
I have a spare set of hood enblems that came off of a 51 that had the delux
cab and they are chrome plated
with the lettering painted a light blue color( almost a powder blue)
Mike

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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 18:11:24 EST
From: Fordf3
Subject: Re: '51 F5 Front Hood Grille Color?

I have 49-50-51-shop manual that covers your truck It is readily available
from most old truck parts suppliers

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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:46:21 -0500
From: Cathy Greenlaw
Subject: Re: 47 Street Rod inquiry

Brechtjohn wrote:

> Are you certain that the 3/4 ton bed was to the '55 frame or was it a '47 bed
> Was the '47 flathead (what a beautiful engine, the flathead V8) in the '55
> frame as well?

The initial truck is a 55-56 frame with a 55-56 style long box, with a '47 style
cab. The flattie is in an original '47 truck, with a '47 bed which is going with
the cab from the 55 frame. I hope this whacking and hacking doesn't upset the
restoration contingent, but both of these trucks were down the road a long way. A
really dedicated person could probably fix the '47, but it would be tough.

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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:28:35 -0600
From: "Goodwrench"
Subject: RE: body filler

Scott,
Not only make sure that you are using enough of the hardener, but make
sure it is fresh and mixed thoroughly.
The second thought concerns how long after you have applied the filler
are you trying to sand it. Temperature has some role in the curing
rate. It will cure slower if it is very cold. It should be setting up
to the point that you can use the "Sureform" or "cheese grater" in about
15 to 30 minutes for the rough shaping. It needs to cure longer than
that before you sand. You didn't say what grit of paper you are sanding
with, and maybe you need to be using a bit coarser paper for the initial
sanding. Never wet sand on "Bondo" type fillers, as they can absorb
moisture.
Lastly, if you are using the newer urethane paints, make sure that the
filler that you are using is compatible with the top coats. Some of the
old fillers soften up if used under the newer top coats. Rage is a good
brand that is very popular and holds up to all paints that might be
applied over it. Again, make sure that both your filler and the
hardener are fresh.

Now for my question: Are people using the filler over bare metal that
is prepared with a worn 80 grit disk, or using the filler over a coat of
an epoxy or some other primer. I've heard people recommend each way.

Goodwrench = Jim Pfrommer
'41 Ford (frame primed with black epoxy primer today)
goodwrench easy.com
Check out Goodwrench's CyberRanch:
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> -----Original Message-----
> Subject: Re: body filler
>
>
> It sounds like you may not be getting enough hardener in the filler.
This
> causes it to stay putty like and never harden all of the way.
> Mike
> -----Original Message-----
>
>
> >We are currently doing the filler on the body and it keeps building
up
> >in the sand paper. It looks like black thinks and they build up but
> >can be scraped out using your finger nail. Has anyone else had this
> >problem or have any ideas why this might happen?

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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:13:44 -0600
From: "davet"
Subject: 51 F5 Shop Manual

Here's a couple places that sell shop manuals for 1948 to 70s Ford trucks.
The first place also carries an identification guide for Ford trucks that
may help identify hood trim original colors.

Mac's Antique Auto Parts
P.O. Box 1217
Lockport, NY 14095-1217

Phone: 1-800-777-0948
Fax: 716-433-1172
www.macsautoparts.com

Obsolete Ford Parts, Inc.
8701 South I-35
Oklahoma City, OK 73149

Phone: (405) 631-3933 / 1-800-654-3247

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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 18:44:09 -0800
From: jc & terry
Subject: tilt

I too have added a tilt front end to the list of modifications to The
Rat. It was a simple job of bolting all of the front sheet metal parts
together. I bought the hinges from SoCal Pickup Parts. To raise and
lower the completed unit, I installed power trim cylinders and pump from
a Mercruiser stern drive.(marine parts.) It works quite well. It gives
excellent access to the engine compartment. Instead of reaching over
those big ol' fat fenders, and scratching up the paint with your belt
buckle because you didn't dig out the fender cover just to check your
oil, you can just sit down on the tire and go to work. About the only
complaint that I have about the set up is that I have got a few more
sqeaks and rattles with the "loose" sheet metal.



i never thought of boat hydraulics. how was the price? the bird stuff was
hard to get because they hold it so dearly and the catalogues, although they
sell it new, was outrageous. as far as the squeeks, put rubber washers on
all of your bolts or neoprene. the way i did mine with the caddy pull down
and rubber mounts under it was great because i can't get it that tight any
other way

T-bird Terry

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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 18:47:22 -0800
From: jc & terry
Subject: body filler

e are currently doing the filler on the body and it keeps building up
in the sand paper. It looks like black thinks and they build up but
can be scraped out using your finger nail. Has anyone else had this
problem or have any ideas why this might happen?
Scott



either a poor mix or not dry yet. what kind are you using?

T-bird Terry

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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 23:41:23 -0400
From: Ray Cardogno
Subject: The Ugly Truckling....


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