fordtrucks-digest Tuesday, March 10 1998 Volume 02 : Number 064



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In this issue:

RE: Flathead V-8 runs hot [Alec Fernandez ]
RE: Frenched antennas, Reference ["Goodwrench" ]
Bolt in engine & trans mounts for '48-'64 Fords, was: 302 In 51 ["Goodwr]
Volare ifs swap reference and source ["Goodwrench" ]
Re: More info on IFS swaps [RPietsch webtv.net (Richard Pietsch)]
Cut Frame/Non-Ford parts [Ray Cardogno ]
Unibody for sale [Rich Garber ]
Re: Bolt in engine & trans mounts for '48-'64 Fords, was: 302 In 51 ["Ch]
56 custom cab [dtstokes juno.com (traci stokes)]
RE: More info on IFS swaps ["Goodwrench" ]
bias ply v radials [jc & terry ]
Volarie Frame Graft [KLaff61624 ]
1952 engine [Scott ]
Firing Order for 1952 Ford Flathead 8 ["Joe Michels" ]

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Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 12:01:26 -0500
From: Alec Fernandez
Subject: RE: Flathead V-8 runs hot

There's a guy who makes new ones - is it Carolina Classics?
Somebody help me
out here.
Good luck.

The after market Temp senders for flatheads are made by a guy at
Fantastic Ford Parts
I think. In any case he knows how to find them. Great guy, his name is
Keith.

919 528-0566


Alec
Jonas
'51 F1R1
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Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:34:31 -0600
From: "Goodwrench"
Subject: RE: Frenched antennas, Reference

Custom & Classic Trucks 12/94 p. 34
Article called Body Basics
28 steps with pictures on doing it from scratch

I believe I also recently saw someone offering the kit to do it

Goodwrench
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- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-fordtrucks ListService.net
[mailto:owner-fordtrucks ListService.net]On Behalf Of jniolon uss.com
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 1998 10:26 AM
To: fordtrucks61-79 ListService.net; fordtrucks ListService.net
Subject: Frenched antennas



I'm looking for details on how to or a magazine or book article on
frenching radio antennas into truck cabs. Actually anywhere is ok,
the procedure is what I'm looking for. Like installing drain...how
deep to make it, cutting the tube etc.. I'd like to add this to my
cab and now's the time to do it.

Thanks in advance

john



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Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:15:53 -0600
From: "Goodwrench"
Subject: Bolt in engine & trans mounts for '48-'64 Fords, was: 302 In 51

Found in Custom & Classic Trucks 2/95 p. 12
Mounts to install a 302-351 W Ford
or a 283-400 small-block Chevy
in '48-'64 Ford
"Stock engine and transmission pads bolt up with no problem."
Sold by:
Carolina Classics
624 E. Geer St.
Durham, NC 27701
919-682-4211

Goodwrench (no affiliation or experience with this company)
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- -----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 1998 6:18 PM
Subject: 302 In 51

I am in the process of putting a 302 in my 1951 f-1. I am using a
universal motor mount and trans mount. Has anyone had to cut part of the
frame on the passenger side to get it in and doesn;t that put the motor
over to the passenger side of the compartment??? I am having much
difficulty getting this thing in there. Where should the crossmember on
the new motor mount be located, in front or in back of the I beam???
Thanks to all in advance. (I am using an AOD and the bell housing seems
to hit the firewall>>

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Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:31:31 -0600
From: "Goodwrench"
Subject: Volare ifs swap reference and source

Gary,
Custom & Classic Trucks 2/95 p. 18
has a super article on Volare ifs swap.

Frame is not cut all the way through,
so radiator and sheet metal mounts are retained.

The templates came from:
Bob's F-100 Parts
9372 Mission Blvd.
Riverside, CA 92509
909-681-1956

Goodwrench
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- -----Original Message-----
>
> Thanks for getting back to me so quickly. I'm trying to move fast on
my
> IFS decision, as I'm parting out 3 vehicles right now, so the
> opportunity for a parts swap is here. Also, with Carlisle coming up,
> need to be sure which IFS I'm going with. Thanks for the idea about
the
> old frame - I just happen to have the frame (only) from my first
> (Connecticut-rusted) 55 F100. Have had zero luck so far on Torino
> specs, but will keep trying. I'd love to swap one of these Bronco II's
> I'm parting out for a complete car, with my chosen IFS, and more.
Thanks
> again for your efforts so far.

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Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 12:21:23 -0800
From: RPietsch webtv.net (Richard Pietsch)
Subject: Re: More info on IFS swaps

As I had stated earlier, I have done the Volare front end swap twice on
my 56 F100. The first time I got the K-member from a private party. The
doner car was a 1978 model with a 318 V8. The second time I went to one
of the local U-pull-it wrecking yards and got one out of a station
wagon with a 6 cyl. Before I purchased the second unit, I went down to
my local Chrysler dealer and had themcheck their parts manuals for parts
compatability. I found out that the parts, ie torsion bars, sway bars,
etc., are the same on both the 6 cyl. and the V8 units.
In my last posting to the list I gave the name of Specialized Auto
Repair as the sorce of my instruction set. I forgot to give their phone
number. It is 714-635-6901. Or at least it was back in '87 when first
did the job. Hope this will help.

The Oldtrukman
Rix56

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Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 17:10:42 -0400
From: Ray Cardogno
Subject: Cut Frame/Non-Ford parts

>I also don't want to cut my frame, end up with non-Ford parts

The Aspen/Valare deal does not cut the frame, but re-inforces it. Looking
at it from under the hood you see your original frame rails go right
through perfectly intact. Can't help you with the non-ford issue. Some
people like component stereos better because they can pick and choose and
end up with a superior overall setup. Sorry Henry.

Ray C

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Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 16:10:37 -0600
From: Rich Garber
Subject: Unibody for sale

I think someone is looking for on of these and I
just came across the following ad:

63 Ford Pickup,unibody,restorable $750.00
715-635-2712

I know its in NW Wisconsin. I have not seen it nor am I
interested. Just passing it along.

Rich
54F100

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Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:13:44 -0500
From: "Chris Hedemark"
Subject: Re: Bolt in engine & trans mounts for '48-'64 Fords, was: 302 In 51

You know, this kills me. I was in there last week asking if they sold
anything like this and the guy flat out said "no". He was then explaining
to me how to fabricate parts, which is something I have no interest in doing
(which is why I came to him in the first place).


>Found in Custom & Classic Trucks 2/95 p. 12
>Mounts to install a 302-351 W Ford
>or a 283-400 small-block Chevy
>in '48-'64 Ford
>"Stock engine and transmission pads bolt up with no problem."
>Sold by:
>Carolina Classics
>624 E. Geer St.
>Durham, NC 27701
>919-682-4211
>
>Goodwrench (no affiliation or experience with this company)
>goodwrench easy.com
>Check out Goodwrench's CyberRanch:
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.easy.com/goodwrench/
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>Sent: Thursday, February 12, 1998 6:18 PM
>Subject: 302 In 51
>
>I am in the process of putting a 302 in my 1951 f-1. I am using a
>universal motor mount and trans mount. Has anyone had to cut part of the
>frame on the passenger side to get it in and doesn;t that put the motor
>over to the passenger side of the compartment??? I am having much
>difficulty getting this thing in there. Where should the crossmember on
>the new motor mount be located, in front or in back of the I beam???
>Thanks to all in advance. (I am using an AOD and the bell housing seems
>to hit the firewall>>
>
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Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 20:13:23 EST
From: dtstokes juno.com (traci stokes)
Subject: 56 custom cab

Can anybody tell me exactly what the differences are between a 56 custom
cab and a 56 regular cab. I have two trucks, and one has the custom cab
emblems on the door. As far as I can tell that is the only difference
(on my two trucks). However, that is assuming that there have not been
any upgrades in the last 40+ years.

Also, I have been reading alot about 9 inch rear ends. What exactly does
a 9 inch rear end do for me and where and what do they come off of?

Thanks for your time

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Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 20:12:53 -0600
From: "Goodwrench"
Subject: RE: More info on IFS swaps

I've greatly expanded the ifs outline and made some significant
corrections to the Volare section. I plan to keep going on assembling
this information, and get it on a web page. Meanwhile, here is a sneak
preview of the update:

Front suspension options:

straight axle
Advantages
seems cheaper, but not always
Strong & Tough
Nostalgic, Old timey look
all work can be done at home with few tools
no welding necessary
doesn't require removal of engine, radiator, or sheet metal
can be done in stages
doesn't require laying up truck
Disadvantages:
worst is steering problems
bump steer
ride quality not as good
References
Tuning '53-'56 Ford suspensions
Custom & Classic Trucks 10/94 p. 40


Volare clip
Advantages:
can be cheap
gives ifs, power steering, & front disks
frame not cut completely off
good ride
fairly available
Torsion bars are cool
wide range of ride height latitude
Disadvantages:
requires real welding and fabrication skills
may have limited alignment range?
References:
Gibbon Fiberglass kit
'75-'79 Chrysler Cordoba
'73-'78 Midsize Dodges (Charger, Coronet)
'73-'74 Plymouths (Satellite or Road Runner)
Custom & Classic Trucks 10/94 p. 66
Volare in F-100
Custom & Classic Trucks 2/95 p. 19
done by Bob's F-100 Parts
Specialized Auto Repair
714-635-6901
Oldtruckman, Richard Pietsch
RPietsch webtv.net reports not cutting frame for his '56 F100
trim up to bottom of frame
box the frame back in
add fish plates on outside surface
all sheet metal & radiator mounts were retained
Templates:
Bob's F-100 Parts
9372 Mission Blvd.
Riverside, CA 92509
909-681-1956

GM clip
Advantages:
similar to Volare
pretty available
Disadvantages:
Requires cutting frame off
need to make mounts for sheetmetal & radiator
lug pattern won't match Ford differential
References
Install a Camaro Front Clip
Custom & Classic Trucks 6/95 p. 40
Manufactures
RB's Obsolete Automotive
206-670-6739
sells new clip that accepts GM A or G-body suspension


Torino (& possibly Cougar) clip
Advantages:
keeps in the Ford family
Disadvantages:



Dodge Dakota clip
reported in 4/98 Custom & Classic Truck
Advantages:
Frame not cut off
Smooth ride
Gives power rack & pinion steering
Disk brakes designed for a light truck
Lowers truck 2" w/ stock spindles
Can get two more with dropped spindles
Disadvantages
Better to remove engine and all sheet metal
Manufacturer
Industrial Chassis
602-596-8105
Fits:
'48-'51 Ford F1
'53-'74 Ford F-100
'55-'59 Chevy


Mustang II kit
Advantages:
moderate fabrication skills
no frame cutting
often includes frame boxing
sheet metal mounting retained
radiator may or not
Rack & pinion steering
no steering box to interfere with exhaust
wide range of options & replacement parts
easy to go with coil-overs and tubular A arms
can be very pretty
Disadvantages:
appears expensive at first
can be hard to find in junk yards
Manufacturers
Heidt's
800-841-8188
Custom & Classic Trucks 6/95 p. 44
No Limit Engineering 909-275-9004
Total Cost Involved 909-984-1773
$ 1,795.00
All needed parts are included




Completely New Custom Frame
Advantages:
No rust or metal fatigue
crossmenber often widened to accept great variety of engine and
transmissions
comes already boxed
can pick whatever front & rear suspension desired
Disadvantages
expense
requires major disassembly of truck
Suppliers:
'35 - '41 Ford Truck
Rods-N-Rails
2876 Apopka Blvd.
Apopla, FL 32703
407-297-9205
Features:
four-bar rear suspension
independent front susp
Weedetr
Performance Fabrication
415-595-3663
Exchange your old frame for core charge



Goodwrench
'41 Ford
'56 Chevy
'96 F-350 dually
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- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-fordtrucks ListService.net
[mailto:owner-fordtrucks ListService.net]On Behalf Of Richard Pietsch
Sent: Monday, March 09, 1998 2:21 PM
To: fordtrucks ListService.net
Subject: Re: More info on IFS swaps


As I had stated earlier, I have done the Volare front end swap twice on
my 56 F100. The first time I got the K-member from a private party. The
doner car was a 1978 model with a 318 V8. The second time I went to one
of the local U-pull-it wrecking yards and got one out of a station
wagon with a 6 cyl. Before I purchased the second unit, I went down to
my local Chrysler dealer and had themcheck their parts manuals for parts
compatability. I found out that the parts, ie torsion bars, sway bars,
etc., are the same on both the 6 cyl. and the V8 units.
In my last posting to the list I gave the name of Specialized Auto
Repair as the sorce of my instruction set. I forgot to give their phone
number. It is 714-635-6901. Or at least it was back in '87 when first
did the job. Hope this will help.

The Oldtrukman
Rix56

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Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 18:47:49 -0800
From: jc & terry
Subject: bias ply v radials

T-bird Terry is right about potholes and bad crowns trying to jerk the wheel
out of your hands when you're running bias-ply on a straight axle. But I would
add this: If you choose to drive an antique truck with antique tires, pay
attention to what you're doing. You're not in a modern vehicle, and that's not
just more TV going by on the other side of the glass.

If you think you're going to steer an old truck with your knees while wolfing
down a burger and a Coke, radials aren't going to save you from yourself. But
if you're a good driver who keeps both hands on the wheel and slows down in
the rain, go ahead and try a set of vintage tires and see what you think.

Tony



you have some excellent points tony. i will tell youi that when i bought my
truck several years back it had a set of brand new bias ply on it. i am much
too frugal to throw away a perfectly good set of tires so i drove them for
almost 2 years. as the front were finally statrting to wear out i bought a
fair set of used goodyear radials at a swap meet for $25 dollars. even thogh
one took a pound of weights to balance the ride was amazing. the same roads
i traveled everyday became a breeze instead of a bullride. braking in a
strait line was a cinch, even without hands. i would have run the rascals
longer but that balance problem became too much after a couple of months.
the strait axle would jar my teeth bouncing between 45-55, then clear up.
broke out the old billfold and put on two brand new 235/60-15's. it was the
best $125 i have ever spent and believe me when i tell you it better be a
good deal for me to say that. i am still trying to wear out those bias ply
huge x wides i have on the back but they shoud go for a couple of more
years. i know the story about radials on the front and bias on the back but
have not experienced any trouble in a year. i do miss those wide eyed looks
that i used to get from passengers when i caught a pavement change at 60.
especially when i used to look just as astonished and remark loudly "what
the heck was that"

T-bird Terry

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Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 22:05:51 EST
From: KLaff61624
Subject: Volarie Frame Graft

Hey fellows, I grafted a volarie on my 55 F-100. If you want templates and a
vidieo that shows you how, then you can purchase one from No Limit
Engineering. I have the address and phone # if you are interested or you can
find it any truckin magizine.
I hope that this is not taken for advertising or endorsement, it is no
intended to be, but they also are always at the F-100 show at Pigion Forge and
have tapes and templates with them. My suggestions on the graft (and I did it
without templates or the tape) is to buy them. Some trucks may require a
offset on the K-member for the steering box to fit, but on the 53-56 you want
to center the K-member in the frame. The K-member needs to be set with the
center of the hubs 1and 1/2 inches more toward the front than the stock axle
inorder to keep the wheels centered in the fenders. The Mopar motors will fit
without any fabercation. The Ford and Chevy motor will need to be raised
higher in the frame or offset to the passenger side (Yes almost all factory
V-8's are offset to the passenger side - check your cars and see) which
presents no problem. You also can install the K-member without cutting the
frame on 53-56's by bolting on angle brackets to the frame and using the
rubber mounts supplied with the K-member (use of rubber mounts is not
necessary if you chose not to use them). If you use angle and bolt the K-
member to the angle ,then be sure to add gussets to the angles brackets. By
bolting instead of cutting you will not be able to get as low to the ground
but you certainly be able to change later if you want to use a different or
stock supension. There is a book out that shows a Studebaker truck useing the
Volarie that is bolted in , I think that it is called " Customising Trucks" by
Peterson, they make it look very simple (cutting and welding is not hard but
it is not simple either. Good luck on whatever you decide.
Ken Laffoon - wife used to
call truck Sanford

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Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 19:46:26 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott
Subject: 1952 engine

I was wondering what the fireing order for the flatheat 8 was for the
1952?
Scott




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Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 21:01:49 -0700
From: "Joe Michels"
Subject: Firing Order for 1952 Ford Flathead 8

The firing order for the 1952 Ford Flathead 8 is 1-5-4-8-6-3-7-2. This
comes from the Ford Shop manual, specifications page. All 52 Flathead 8's
have this same firing order.

Joebob

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> To: fordtrucks ListService.net
> Subject: 1952 engine
> Date: Monday, March 09, 1998 8:46 PM....

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