fordtrucks-digest Monday, March 9 1998 Volume 02 : Number 063



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In this issue:

Re: Flathead V-8 runs hot [Tkaczyk ]
RE: IFS Options ["Goodwrench" ]
More on tires [TonyDePaul ]
ID Numbers [Pat Hester ]
ADMIN: Digest topic filtering [Ken Payne ]
Chat Room Delema [JStoneF100 ]
Re: Chat Room Delema ["Chris Hedemark" ]
Re: ID Numbers ["Joe Michels" ]
Re: Chat Room Delema [Ken Payne ]
misc parts [dtstokes juno.com (traci stokes)]
Re: IFS swaps for early pickups [Ray Cardogno ]
Re: Eary Ford/Volare IFS swap [RPietsch webtv.net (Richard Pietsch)]

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Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 10:14:45 -0500
From: Tkaczyk
Subject: Re: Flathead V-8 runs hot

I also had an overheating flathead years ago. Nothing seemed to fix it.
Finally had a flathead "expert" take a look: told me to get the warped
heads planed. That took care of it. Good luck.
Gary

davet wrote:

> I have a 1952 Ford F-1 with a 239 flathead V-8 that runs hot
> even after I worked over the cooling system. It does not have a fan
> shroud on the radiator and I am not sure if it is supposed to or not?

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Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 11:16:10 -0600
From: "Goodwrench"
Subject: RE: IFS Options

Hi Gary,
Thanks for your encouragement. I was also a bit surprised to see no
one add anything to my quick initial outline on options for IFS.
I really do think that it will come down to deciding between a kit and
cutting your frame. If I were in your position, one of the things I
would consider is to try to find a spare F-100 frame. I bet '53 thru
'56 are probably the same, but we would have to check on this first.
Once I had a spare frame, it would be a great experiment to cut it and
graft on the front clip from a modern vehicle. I wouldn't be too
worried about the heaviness or strength of the suspension or brakes for
a half ton. It should be OK.
I went with the Heidt's kit for my '41 Ford, but I still don't have it
on the road to tell if it was worth it. I'm really fascinated with the
idea of front clip grafts from junkyard cars. I think it is the
ultimate way to go, provided someone works out just where to cut both
the truck and the car frame. When it is done right, the strength is
fine and the options for ride height are great. Obviously if it is done
wrong, one is out a perfectly good truck frame.
I also have a '56 Chevy sitting in my driveway right now. It still has
the stock beam axle and the little drum brakes. I will probably try
getting it on the road with the stock front suspension to get a feel for
how that rides, handles and brakes. Then I would really like to try a
subframe graft. I don't think there is any way to beat the price and
still get engine mounts, power steering, ifs, disk brakes, and a sway
bar.
I will check to see if I have received the April issue of Custom and
Classic trucks and add the Dakota information to my outline. I'm going
to once again also send this to the list in hopes that some of the folks
who have performed subframe grafts will share their information with us.
It would also be nice if folks could give any other magazine references
relative to the ifs conversions. If enough people do start contributing
information, I will convert my outline to a web page and add it to my
web site.


goodwrench easy.com
Check out Goodwrench's CyberRanch:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.easy.com/goodwrench/

- -----Original Message-----
From: Tkaczyk [mailto:tkaczyk erols.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 08, 1998 10:35 AM
To: goodwrench easy.com
Subject: IFS Options


Hi Jim,
I love your idea of building an IFS resource within our "Fordtrucks"
club. I want to install an IFS in my 55 F100, but still don't have
enough "answers" to know which one I want to go with. I don't want to
spend several thousand dollars, so that rules out the complete kits
versus junk yard specials. I also don't want to cut my frame, end up
with non-Ford parts or have to upgrade undersized components (e.g.,
front discs). I'd like to also get power steeringand brakes out of the
upgrade. Your March 3rd outline is the best resouce I've seen so far,
but, as I've said, I still need more info - I'm disappointed no one has
added to your outline so far. Just in case you don't know it, the 4/98
issue of Custom Classic Trucks has an article on using a Dodge Dakota
IFS, but it requires cutting the frame. Also, in December 1997, one
of Fordtrucks members (Cliff - see below) recommeded using a Torino IFS
(I've heard, but have been unable to verify, that Torino and Cougar are
the same). I've been unsuccessful so far getting any more info from
Cliff on the Torino IFS installation. Anyway, thanks a lot for the
outline - I think it's invaluable, and hope others will add to it, and
that Ken will post it on our web page.

Gary
Tkaczyk in Connecticut

>From - Tue Dec 02 11:10:49 1997

From: Cdalep aol.com

Randall , Look into a torino clip, mine is a 1975 had big discs and is
designed to take either a 302 or a 351. I have a 91 EFI 5.0 in my 54 and
it
makes for a nice fit.
Cliff.

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Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 15:45:42 EST
From: TonyDePaul
Subject: More on tires

Greetings, friends,

I'm not sure yet where I come down on the bias-ply versus radials debate. I'm
running bias-ply right now on my '49 F-1 and may or may not buy another set
when the time comes. I restored the truck to show-quality a couple of years
ago, but I don't show it, so I don't care about points. I may end up switching
over to radials for the convenience of tubeless tires more than anything else.

T-bird Terry is right about potholes and bad crowns trying to jerk the wheel
out of your hands when you're running bias-ply on a straight axle. But I would
add this: If you choose to drive an antique truck with antique tires, pay
attention to what you're doing. You're not in a modern vehicle, and that's not
just more TV going by on the other side of the glass.

If you think you're going to steer an old truck with your knees while wolfing
down a burger and a Coke, radials aren't going to save you from yourself. But
if you're a good driver who keeps both hands on the wheel and slows down in
the rain, go ahead and try a set of vintage tires and see what you think.

Tony



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Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 19:29:13 -0500
From: Pat Hester
Subject: ID Numbers

If anyone with a code book has 5 minutes or so, would they mind telling me what these numbers found on my 47 mean???
Engine- 6E-6152
Trim- MC-18001-E
Paint- M-1722
Code- 202H47-61210

Thanks very much, I am just curious. My truck is basically original (I think).
Thanks for the earlier help on oil and tires. I will be going radial.

Pat Hester

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Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 19:31:23 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: Digest topic filtering

Since the practice of replying to the digests without using a
subject has continued I've added a filter to all the lists that
will rejected any post that starts with (depends on the list):

re: fordtrucks-small-digest
re: fordtrucks61-79-digest
re: fordtrucks80up-digest
re: fordtrucks97up-digest
re: fordtrucks-digest

Such posts will be rejected. Unfortunately, these rejections
will will not send notification of the rejection. Such posts
simply disappear into the "bit bucket." When replying to the
digest, please put in the topic in the "SUBJECT" line of the
email.

Hopefully this change will make the list messages easier to
follow.

Later,
Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 21:24:05 EST
From: JStoneF100
Subject: Chat Room Delema

I'm more well known for my expertese as a parts man than as a computer user
but I still am having trouble with the Ford-truck enthusiusts chat room I
dont have a Java applett browser so I cannot paticipate in chat? Is this like
"you can't weld quarter panels till you buy a Mig?" This is as clear to me as
Geometry. I chat in several rooms why can't I get a handle on yours?

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Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 21:33:57 -0500
From: "Chris Hedemark"
Subject: Re: Chat Room Delema

I was just in there myself. Usually there is either nobody in there or just
one or two people when I get in. So the more the merrier! Can you run a
newer web browser on your computer? I know the *newest* from Netscrape and
Internet Exploder are both real pigs in terms of size and resource usage.
But IE 3.02 is pretty reasonable and would give you the functionality
required to access the chatroom.

Chris Hedemark
Yonder Way
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.yonderway.com
- -----Original Message-----
From: JStoneF100
To: fordtrucks ListService.net
Date: Sunday, March 08, 1998 9:27 PM
Subject: Chat Room Delema


>I'm more well known for my expertese as a parts man than as a computer
user
>but I still am having trouble with the Ford-truck enthusiusts chat room I
>dont have a Java applett browser so I cannot paticipate in chat? Is this
like
>"you can't weld quarter panels till you buy a Mig?" This is as clear to me
as
>Geometry. I chat in several rooms why can't I get a handle on yours?
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Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 20:39:09 -0700
From: "Joe Michels"
Subject: Re: ID Numbers

The best my little red book could do was identify the paint code.

Paint M-1722 is Vermillion, which I Believe is Ford RED!! Hope it helps.

Joebob

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> From: Pat Hester
> To: 'fordtrucks ListService.net'
> Subject: ID Numbers
> Date: Sunday, March 08, 1998 5:29 PM
>
> If anyone with a code book has 5 minutes or so, would they mind telling
me what these numbers found on my 47 mean???
> Engine- 6E-6152
> Trim- MC-18001-E
> Paint- M-1722
> Code- 202H47-61210
>
> Thanks very much, I am just curious. My truck is basically original (I
think).
> Thanks for the earlier help on oil and tires. I will be going radial.
>
> Pat Hester
>
> +-------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1960 and Older --------------+
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Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 22:59:33 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: Chat Room Delema

At 09:24 PM 3/8/98 EST, you wrote:
>I'm more well known for my expertese as a parts man than as a computer user
>but I still am having trouble with the Ford-truck enthusiusts chat room I
>dont have a Java applett browser so I cannot paticipate in chat? Is this like
>"you can't weld quarter panels till you buy a Mig?" This is as clear to me as
>Geometry. I chat in several rooms why can't I get a handle on yours?

You need Netscape, Internet Explorer, AOLs browswer, Sun's
browser or another one of the Java browsers to run it. Also,
make sure you have Java enabled in your browser. I could
use CGI chat like many sites do but it forces the web page
to reload every 5 seconds. This causes a huge load on the
server. Most "webmasters" are unaware of this (or they
simply don't care). For example, the bandwidth my site
used nearly doubled when we were using CGI based chat. The
Java chat solution eliminates this problem and keeps my
host off my back.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 23:50:50 EST
From: dtstokes juno.com (traci stokes)
Subject: misc parts

Okay, here it is, I have two 56 short beds, 1 56 long bed, a 54 cab,
>frame and bed, 1 53 cab and two 292 engines. I also have a whole pile
of
>misc parts (grills, fenders, hoods, heaters, etc.). My wife said that
I
>have to get rid of some stuff, I talked here into two trucks (I think I
>am going to have to take out the garbage for about ten years). Well
>anyway, I have got to part out, sell, trade or whatever. My problem is
>that I have no idea on how to price this stuff. I have all the catalogs
>from Johns, Bobs and Sacramento Vintage For, but I certainly don't
think
>I can sell my stuff for what the commercial vendors want. Do any of you
>people out there have any ideas or suggestions on how to price. By the
>way, if any of you need or want, let me know off line at
>dtstokes juno.com. I am in Western Washington

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Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 01:08:14 -0400
From: Ray Cardogno
Subject: Re: IFS swaps for early pickups

>I am interested in doing a Volarie Swap. What is the best year(s) Volarie to
>use and are there any templates available to ensure proper notching? Any
>comments would be greatly appreciated.

I used a setup from a 78 Aspen wagon with the 318 engine (put it in my 53
panel). I used the tilt column, brake booster, and engine and tranny from
the same $300 car. I've since put in a rebuilt 360 Mopar (blasphemy?).
Similar years approx 76-80? I was told to go for the wagon/V-8 combo
because it was set up a little heavier-duty than a sedan or 6-cyl. car. Can
anyone confirm that?

Trukin Magazine July 1981 Volume 7, #7 Has a full featured article called
"UNBELIEVABLE" on doing this swap.

You can send in for the templates for the fish plates you will need to
make. Well worth the investment. The frame rails don't have to be cut
through and the finished product looks like a factory setup! If you can't
find this issue you can probably get one from Trukin.

Does anybody have the address for the templates? Can't seem to find it.

Ray C

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Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 23:11:46 -0800
From: RPietsch webtv.net (Richard Pietsch)
Subject: Re: Eary Ford/Volare IFS swap

When I got ready to do my front swap I contacted Specialized Auto Repair
in California. Their address is:
Specialized Auto Repair
1075 N. Harbor Blvd.
Anaheim, Ca. 92801
They suplied my with a set of easy to follow instructions with photos,
and a set of cardboard templates. I don't know if this company is still
in existance or not since I first did the job back in 1987. Two years
later my truck was hit by a drunk driver and the frame was bent. I
located a replacement frame at a swap meet and did the job all over
again. this time I made my own templates for boxing plates and fish....

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