fordtrucks-digest Thursday, March 5 1998 Volume 02 : Number 059



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In this issue:

Re: ADMIN: Please read, very important ["Chris Hedemark"
[none] ["Rod and Joy Lewis" ]
Re: Spring Carlisle! [Tkaczyk ]
Re: Response: ADMIN: Please read, very important [Rich Garber
[none] [ynot80 juno.com (Tony S Pinzino)]
ADMIN: Decision on advertising on the lists [Ken Payne
ADMIN: Opinions/feedback on web site [Ken Payne ]

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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 06:37:58 -0500
From: "Chris Hedemark"
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Please read, very important

>I'm posting this email to ask for opinions on an issue. I will
>respect the opinions of the list members regarding this matter,
>just like I have with all other past votes. Your opinion, for
>or against this issue will not hurt my feelings.
>
>Anyways... the issue:
>
>Last week, a vendor approached me (via email) and asked about
>advertising in the digest version of the lists. The ads they
>are requesting would not appear on the live lists but at the
>top of each digest just below the table of contents. As an
>example:
[snip]

Ken you are wrestling with an issue right now that I've also struggled to
deal with on other mailing lists that I've run or subscribed to.

The best example that I will give you is what we did on the Dodge Ram
mailing list (for the 1.5 years that I made the mistake of owning one for).
The subscribers flat out refused to have plain old ads. The *only* sponsors
that were permitted within the mailing lists were the folks that
participated. So if one of the subscribers asked something like "does
anyone know what the proper way is to do [blah blah blah]". The vendor
would be permitted to respond as any subscriber would, and they would be
permitted a three or four line ad at the bottom of their post as the
signature. Secondly, once per month the vendor was allowed to make ONE
"club offer" to the mailing list. Basically he'd say "This month we are
having a special on Flowmaster mufflers for the Dodge Ram group. You can
cake 15% off our regular price this month if you call us and tell us you are
a member of the Dodge Ram mailing list". We would also work out group
purchases where maybe 25 people bought a Jacobs ignition from the vendor for
a really good deal.

The vendor was only allowed to place one flat out ad per month, and it had
to be a really good deal for the group or it wasn't allowed (like a 5%
discount really doesn't save you all that much on most items). Vendors were
*not* allowed to bicker amongst each other or they were GONE. They were
also not allowed to follow one vendors post with an ad of their own that had
a competing price on the same item.

So my feeling is that if a vendor is going to have a presence at all on this
list, they should add more value than simply sending money. Their time and
knowlege is *just* as important to many of us, and shows a commitment to
their potential customers. This type of arrangement worked out really well
with the two vendors that were in the Dodge Ram mailing list when I was
running it. One guy went from a one man operation out of his basement to a
fullblown mail order shop with credit card acceptance, a special order line
with order takers, etc. I think we blew him away his first month with a
special on K&N air filters (he wasn't expecting to sell like 40 or 50 of
these in one month to one specific group of people). The other vendor was
already pretty well established but only with the people who bought the
MOPAR magazines. A lot of the people, like me, were not diehard MOPAR folks
so we never heard of him. The list exposed him to a much larger market and
I understand he's still doing well with the mailing list (and the mailing
list is still happy to have him).

Chris Hedemark
Yonder Way
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.yonderway.com

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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 19:40:28 +0800
From: "Rod and Joy Lewis"
Subject: [none]

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Hello Rod Lewis - Kulin Western Australia here.

I have a 1940 01T truck that I am about to begin restoring. I need ALL
the information and help I can get. Thanks
Rod :)
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color=3D"#000000" face=3D"Arial">Hello Rod Lewis - Kulin Western =
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begin restoring.  I need ALL the information and help I can get. =
 ThanksRod :)

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Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 08:39:04 -0500
From: Tkaczyk
Subject: Re: Spring Carlisle!

JR,

I'm going agin this year. Have reservations for Friday and Saturday night. I
agree with you that Wednesday and Thursday are the best days to attend, but we
cannot leave until my son gets out of school on Friday afternoon. It's a 6 1/2
hour drive for us. We've gotten many excellent parts for our 55 F100 over the
years. We're hoping my son can find his first car/truck there.

Ken, could you please add this event to our web page? Thanks.

Also, does anyone know the date of the Great Woods (Massachusetts) giant swap meet
this year? It's usually in May. Thanks.

Gary

JRFiero wrote:

> In a message dated 98-03-03 09:13:13 EST, you write:
>
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> Is there any Truck enthusiasts going????For those who don't know
> what it is Its one of the biggest car/truck/Parts show in the
> east..Not to mention All Ford Carlisle in June!
> >>
>
> I'm planning on it. I went to four Carlisles last year, Spring, Ford, Trucks,
> and Fall. Carlisle has a website, http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.carpro.com/.
> The Spring meet is scheduled for Thursday - Sunday, but it really starts on
> Wednesday. In the Fall, I went up on Thursday, and discovered I'd missed a
> complete fresh air heater (complete - under fender tubes and all!) for my 51
> which had been sold on Wednesday. Same guy sold a chrome 51 grill on
> Wednesday.
> I haven't made arrangements, but I'm planning on going up Wednesday, staying
> overnight, and wondering through again on Thursday. I haven't seen the whole
> show in years, its just too big.
> So what are the dates? April 23-26
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Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 10:21:26 -0600
From: Rich Garber
Subject: Re: Response: ADMIN: Please read, very important

>>NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
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>>THANK YOU.
>>
>>Tony.
>
>
DOUBLE THAT STATMENT!

Rich
54 F100

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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 17:07:31 -0500
From: ynot80 juno.com (Tony S Pinzino)
Subject: [none]

I have a 1955 F-100 truck that I am restoring with my father. We
discovered that the truck is list as a 1956 F-100 the first time we tried
to get parts. The funny thing is that it is a 1955 , but has a vin for a
1956. I asked around and I have heard that sometimes if there were parts
left over from the year before that they just used those parts and called
list as that year. For example if parts were left over from 55 and it was
56 they just used the left overs up and called it a 1956 , but it would
have a 1955 body style. I was just wondering if this was true or not. If
someone could e-mail me and let me know I'd appreciate it.
ynot80 juno.com

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Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 17:51:03 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: Decision on advertising on the lists

I'd like to thank everyone for all the responses I've received
so far. I plan on putting them together into one text file,
posting them to the web and emailing the URL to the lists
this evening. The number of responses has been high and I don't
want to flood the lists with them. Everyone deserves to know the
opinions expressed so they will be on a web page (which won't
have any external links so your comments are kept private).

Although so far there hasn't been a landslide in either direction,
some very compelling reasons for not advertising have been brought
to my attention.

1. Where do I draw the line? If we open the door to this, what's
to stop me from putting an ad on the bottom of **each** post?
2. Doesn't this go against the charter? If we modify the charter
or ignore this portion of it doesn't it invalid the entire
reason for having one?
3. What happens if a user has problems with the advertiser? Can
he openly complain about it without fear of getting on my
"hit list?"
4. What happens if an advertiser has a problem with a user? Right
now, the advertisers know that web advertising is completely
unrelated to the lists.
5. Mailing lists have, for the most part, been the oasis free
from advertising on the Internet.
6 Can I remain unbiased? I would like to think so but I'm only human.

Since reading many opinions, especially those from long time members,
I would have a very difficult time looking members in the eye (virtually
and at the Pigeon Forge show) who have donated money to keep the lists
going. One person even sent $100 this past summer after we got our
(expensive) domain name.

I normally put things like this to a vote, but in this case I won't.
The principle of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" seems to apply.
The lists work, they work well and they certainly aren't broken.
I think that once you read the opinions you'll agree.

Ken Payne
Admin

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Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 21:40:58 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: Opinions/feedback on web site

To those interested:

http://www.ford-trucks.com/opinion.html

I got every opinion up to 9:30 EST on it except for roughly
3 "no" opinions that I forwared to all the lists last night.
Thanks for all the feedback on this advertising issue, I....

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