fordtrucks-digest Wednesday, March 4 1998 Volume 02 : Number 058



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In this issue:

Re: '51 vs. '52 ["Chris Hedemark" ]
A Couple of Notes ["Don & Teresa Neighbors" ]
Boris, Natasha, and their cool bucket seats ["Chris Hedemark"
Re: More answers to Chris [Fordf3 ]
Re: Rotten gas tank [Fordf3 ]
Re: Chevy Definitions [JIM_HOLLINGSWORTH HP-Vancouver-om1.om.hp.com]
IFS options, was: More answers to Chris ["Goodwrench"
Rotton gas tank [Randall Colgan ]
Re: Rotten gas tank [Ken Payne ]
Re: More answers to Chris [Rich Garber ]
Re: Spring Carlisle! [JRFiero ]
Re: More answers to Chris [Gary Haselbusch ]
Something UP North [Rich Garber ]
Throwout Bearings ["James H. Boyd" ]
ADMIN: Please read, very important [Ken Payne ]
Response: ADMIN: Please read, very important [Ken Payne
Response: ADMIN: Please read, very important [Ken Payne
Re: Rotten gas tank [JPerel ]

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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 06:26:10 -0500
From: "Chris Hedemark"
Subject: Re: '51 vs. '52

>The 51 has the V8 emblem on the center piece just above the grill
>where as the 52 has "FORD" there. The chrome on the side of the hood
>was a little different, more so in the delux cab. Take a look here:
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ualberta.ca/~rcolgan/f1_20.jpg
>this is a 51 and you can see the V8. This one has the "FORD"
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ualberta.ca/~rcolgan/f1_23.jpg
>The pics are from Randall's F-Files page which is at:
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ualberta.ca/~rcolgan/home.html
>Hope this helps.


Yes it helps very much. This just enabled me to broaden my search to a
second possible year. Thanks. :-)

Chris Hedemark
Yonder Way
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.yonderway.com

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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 06:32:34 -0500
From: "Don & Teresa Neighbors"
Subject: A Couple of Notes

Chris, I saw a vintage Ford pickup (sorry, I don't remember what vintage)
at, of all places, a VW show that had a pair of Plymouth Horizon bucket
seats in it. I can attest to the comfort of those seats, since I owned a
Horizon for 4 years. A pair of those should fit very nicely into a '52
F100.
Paul, I've seen your panel. "Boris" would be a GREAT name for that truck!
I'd save "Natasha" for a black Ford or Mercury convertible.
Now that I've set the precedent by naming my truck "Grover", does that
mean every vehicle I own henceforth should be named after Sesame Street
characters?

Don Neighbors
'54 F250 Named Grover

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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 06:48:27 -0500
From: "Chris Hedemark"
Subject: Boris, Natasha, and their cool bucket seats

> Chris, I saw a vintage Ford pickup (sorry, I don't remember what vintage)
>at, of all places, a VW show that had a pair of Plymouth Horizon bucket
>seats in it. I can attest to the comfort of those seats, since I owned a
>Horizon for 4 years. A pair of those should fit very nicely into a '52
>F100.


What does one normally do for a console? Something one-off? Or are there
good 3rd party consoles out there?

> Paul, I've seen your panel. "Boris" would be a GREAT name for that truck!
>I'd save "Natasha" for a black Ford or Mercury convertible.
> Now that I've set the precedent by naming my truck "Grover", does that
>mean every vehicle I own henceforth should be named after Sesame Street
>characters?


If you take a p/u and stretch the cab out with a 30" center section and
behind that a rear door, graft behind that the tail end from a delivery
wagon, and call the thing "Snuffleupagus" (spelling?)

Drop a vintage body on a late model 4x4, jack it up, paint it canary yellow,
and now you've got "Big Bird".

If you are a guy living in an "alternative lifestyle" you can have his and
his trucks named "Burt & Ernie" (what? you never knew Burt & Ernie were
gay?)

I think just about any of these trucks preserved in the "before" state would
make a great Oscar. ;-)

How about using that bright puke green that they used to use on the early
Dodge Neons and name it "Kermit".

On the tailgate you can say "This truck was brought to you by the number 5
and the letter Q."

Chris Hedemark
Yonder Way
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.yonderway.com

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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 07:13:59 EST
From: Fordf3
Subject: Re: More answers to Chris

51 waslast year for flathead in trucks,53 in cars

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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 07:29:31 EST
From: Fordf3
Subject: Re: Rotten gas tank

I have the corrosion problem with my gas tank. The tank drains off the bottom
and all sludge goes right through to the carb and filter. I installed apiece
of copper tubing with screening wrapped around it raising the outlet about 1"
this worked.

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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 05:33:35 -0800
From: JIM_HOLLINGSWORTH HP-Vancouver-om1.om.hp.com
Subject: Re: Chevy Definitions

And who can forget:

G eneral

M ess'a

C rap

Later,
JDH
55 F100


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Subject: Chevy Definitions
Author: Non-HP-kpayne (kpayne mindspring.com) at HP-Vancouver,mimegw1
Date: 3/2/98 5:27 PM


Someone emailed me a couple of funny Chevy/GMC definitions.
Thought some of you might enjoy them.

C heap
H ardly
E fflicent
V ehicle
R uns
O n
L uck
E very
T ime

G M C..... got mechanic coming


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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 07:33:41 -0600
From: "Goodwrench"
Subject: IFS options, was: More answers to Chris

Chris,
I liked your idea of a comparison of different front suspension options
for the old trucks, so I started a quick outline. Hopefully with the
experience of the people on this list we can add to this outline to
create a resource of information.
I went with the Heidt's Mustang IFS kit for my 1941 half ton. It
seemed expensive at first, but when I compared the price for a dropped
axle, king pins, steering arms and linkage, shocks, disk brake kit, and
new steering box, it didn't seem too bad.
To get the discussion started, I place a brief outline below:


Front suspension options:

straight axle
Advantages
cheaper, but not always
all work can be done at home with few tools
no welding necessary
can be done in stages
doesn't require laying up truck
Disadvantages:
worst is steering problems
bump steer
ride quality not as good

Volare clip
Advantages:
can be cheap
gives ifs, power steering, & front disks
good ride
fairly available
wide range of ride height latitude
Disadvantages:
requires real welding and fabrication skills
frame must be cut off
need to make mounts for sheetmetal & radiator
may have limited alignment range?

GM clip
Advantages:
similar to Volare
Disadvantages:
similar to Volare
lug pattern won't match Ford differential

Mustang II kit
Advantages:
moderate fabrication skills
no frame cutting
often includes frame boxing
sheet metal mounting retained
radiator may or not
wide range of options & replacement parts
easy to go with coil-overs and tubular A arms
can be very pretty
Disadvantages:
appears expensive at first
can be hard to find in junk yards



Goodwr4ench = Jim Pfrommer
Central Texas
goodwrench easy.com
Check out Goodwrench's CyberRanch:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.easy.com/goodwrench/

- -----Original Message-----
From: Chris Hedemark
Sent: Monday, March 02, 1998 8:02 PM
To: fordtrucks ListService.net
Subject: Re: More answers to Chris


I'd like to learn a little
more about the how and the why involved with the different steps. I've
gotten some private messages on this, which I certainly appreciate, but
I
wonder if some of the replies would better serve the subscribers as a
body?
I got a couple of messages regarding different IFS options and it would
be
nice to see a discussion on the merits and tradeoffs with the different
systems.

Chris Hedemark
Yonder Way
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.yonderway.com

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Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 07:04:28 -0700
From: Randall Colgan
Subject: Rotton gas tank

>On Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 15:45:16 -0600, Wesley wrote
>From: Wesley Ashworth
>Subject: Rotten gas tank

> What's the best solution for a gas tank that's been sitting up for
>10-13 years? I've replaced two fuel filters already. Should I keep messing
>with filters, or be better off replacing?

> Thanks,

> Wesley

Wesley, I had the same problems so I took my 52 F-1 tank down to the rad
shop and had them coat the inside of the tank with a special polymer. It
worked great. I haven't had any problems since.

Till later,
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Randall Colgan
University of Alberta
Edmonton, Canada
1952 F-1 Ford Truck
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ualberta.ca/~rcolgan/home.html
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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 17:29:24 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: Rotten gas tank

At 03:45 PM 3/2/98 -0600, you wrote:
>
> What's the best solution for a gas tank that's been sitting up for
>10-13 years? I've replaced two fuel filters already. Should I keep messing
>with filters, or be better off replacing?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Wesley

I've always put a couple of large hand-fulls of nuts, bolts and
washers into the tank. Fill the tank up with a couple of gal1ons
water (don't want nuts and bolts causing sparks). Shake tank like
crazy until it seems that your arms will fall off. Drain. Air it
out and pour in water displacement fluid.

Naturally, you do all this with the tank off the truck and the
gas poured out. You may still need one filter replacement after
this procedure.

Ken

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Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 09:46:41 -0600
From: Rich Garber
Subject: Re: More answers to Chris

At 07:13 AM 3/3/98 EST, you wrote:
>51 waslast year for flathead in trucks,53 in cars

Sorry, 53 was the last year of the flathead in trucks as well.

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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 19:11:31 EST
From: JRFiero
Subject: Re: Spring Carlisle!

In a message dated 98-03-03 09:13:13 EST, you write:


Is there any Truck enthusiasts going????For those who don't know
what it is Its one of the biggest car/truck/Parts show in the
east..Not to mention All Ford Carlisle in June!
>>

I'm planning on it. I went to four Carlisles last year, Spring, Ford, Trucks,
and Fall. Carlisle has a website, http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.carpro.com/.
The Spring meet is scheduled for Thursday - Sunday, but it really starts on
Wednesday. In the Fall, I went up on Thursday, and discovered I'd missed a
complete fresh air heater (complete - under fender tubes and all!) for my 51
which had been sold on Wednesday. Same guy sold a chrome 51 grill on
Wednesday.
I haven't made arrangements, but I'm planning on going up Wednesday, staying
overnight, and wondering through again on Thursday. I haven't seen the whole
show in years, its just too big.
So what are the dates? April 23-26

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Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 17:26:26 -0800
From: Gary Haselbusch
Subject: Re: More answers to Chris

1954 was a split year. The early part of '54 was a 239 Flathead, the later part of
'54 was a 239 Overhead. I have the original factory service manuals. Hope this
helps. Gary

JRFiero wrote:

> In a message dated 98-03-02 20:24:16 EST, you write:
>
>
> The grill is the only difference between a '55 and a '57 (and maybe the 6
> volt
> system?) I think 55 was the last year for the Flathead V8.
> >>
> These two answers are close, but not correct.
> The 53-55s were distinguishable by the grills. 56 had several differences,
> including the windshield, doors, vent windows, front shock mounts, and perhaps
> others in addition to the grill. 57s are althogether different.
> It's possible that there were some flatheads in 54, but not likely. 53 is
> the accepted last year of the flathead in trucks, 52 in cars. There is some
> confusion because the Ford flathead was a 239 inch, and one of the first
> overhead V8s was also a 239.
>
> original parts.>>
> Basically true, but you'll go broke doing it, and grow several thousand gray
> hairs getting the repro parts to fit more or less like the originals.
> Why are you set on the 52 as opposed to the 51?
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Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 20:23:00 -0600
From: Rich Garber
Subject: Something UP North

At 07:11 PM 3/3/98 EST, you wrote:
>In a message dated 98-03-03 09:13:13 EST, you write:
>
>
> Is there any Truck enthusiasts going????For those who don't know
> what it is Its one of the biggest car/truck/Parts show in the
> east..Not to mention All Ford Carlisle in June!

It's a little to far away for me this year, But I'm looking foward
to Back To The Fifties. Held in St. Paul MN in june. I know there
are people from the list up in this area. How about finding a place to
meet? I'll be there, my truck will still be in the garage (apart).

Rich
54 F100

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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 22:20:40 EST
From: "James H. Boyd"
Subject: Throwout Bearings

Hey Gang!

I've got a tech question; Using an adaptor plate from Motor City
Flathead machine shop, I'm trying to install a Borg-Warner SR-4 4 speed
tranny (kissing cousin to the B/W T-5) on my 53 F-100 flathead. I'm using
a truck bell housing and clutch arm with a ball and socket pivot. The old
tranny was a 3STD three speed. The input shaft diameters of the two
trannys are different, thus requiring that I use the smaller diameter
throwout bearing. Problem is, the throwout bearing uses a clutch arm much
like the newer trucks and Mustangs. The throwout bearing also has a clip
on the back to hold the clutch arm, where the old style arm inserts into
a groove that "circumnavigates" the outside of the bearing.

Is there a grooved, small internal diameter throwout bearing? Has anyone
tried to perform this upgrade?

I contacted Motor City Flathead; still haven't heard back yet.

TIA

Jay
53 F-100 Panel
Hot-Rod Flathead!

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Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 00:27:59 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: Please read, very important

I'm posting this email to ask for opinions on an issue. I will
respect the opinions of the list members regarding this matter,
just like I have with all other past votes. Your opinion, for
or against this issue will not hurt my feelings.

Anyways... the issue:

Last week, a vendor approached me (via email) and asked about
advertising in the digest version of the lists. The ads they
are requesting would not appear on the live lists but at the
top of each digest just below the table of contents. As an
example:

"
- --------------------- [ Sponsor's Message ] ------------------
Foobar Ford Performance Products is pleased to announce the
addition of new roller cams for 302 V8s. These cams, when
combined with Foobar's push-rods and valve trains offer higher
horsepower and torque.

For more information, visit Foobar at:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.foobar.com
When ordering, state you saw their sponsorship message for a
5% discount.
- -------------------------------------------------------------"

The ads, like the example, would be simple and to the point.
Neither would I personally promote the products.

I really need feedback on this. To post your opinions on the
matter, send an email to fordtrucks mindspring.com. I will
forward all the messages to the all the lists. Again, do
**NOT** send your opinions to the list, send them to
fordtrucks mindspring.com. I'm doing this so I can forward
the posts to all the lists since this affects all of them.
Your emails should appear on all the lists within 24 hours of
sending them. Also, when replying to opinions on this, send
the replies to: fordtrucks mindspring.com

If members feel this issue may be appropriate I'll put a voting
form on the web site. If the members are overwhelmingly against
it then it will not be voted on.

This would also mean that I would revise the charter to allow
this. Since the beginning, I've maintained that our lists would
be free from vendor influence. Its up to the list members to
decide if a sponsorship message of this type is considered
influence.

We're about to get more window stickers printed (we have 4 left)
and we'll soon get estimates for T-shirts so the advertising
money would help. However, we're aren't hurting either. Your
opinions concerning this matter are welcome.

Lastly, as an option on the voting form (if we end up needing one)
we could state that we would do a trial run to see how it works.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 00:43:31 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Response: ADMIN: Please read, very important

Posted to the 97+ list, forwarded to the others:

>I think that if it will help pay for atleast the cost of the mailing
>list, go for it!!
>--
> James Howard
>(The 15 Year Old!!)
>
>Webmaster of Solomons Island on The Web
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://solomons.home.ml.org
>
>We now do advertising.
>Please check out http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://solomons.home.ml.org
>and click on Advertising!!
>

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Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 00:49:20 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Response: ADMIN: Please read, very important

Posted by bgap RAPIDNET.COM on the 1980-1996 list, forwarded to the
others:
>Ken Payne wrote:
>>
>> I'm posting this email to ask for opinions on an issue. I will
>> respect the opinions of the list members regarding this matter,
>> just like I have with all other past votes. Your opinion, for
>> or against this issue will not hurt my feelings.
>>
>> Anyways... the issue:
>>
>> Last week, a vendor approached me (via email) and asked about
>> advertising in the digest version of the lists.
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