fordtrucks-digest Sunday, March 1 1998 Volume 02 : Number 055



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In this issue:

Derusting -chemical, electrolysis [JRFiero ]
Welcome to the club [RJC988 ]
Re: Welcome to the club ["Chris Hedemark" ]
A Ford with character! [Randall Colgan ]
'59 name suggestions [Ken Payne ]
Re: Truck Names [FRD56F100 ]
Re: fordtrucks-digest V2 #54 ["Doug Mclaughlin" ]
glad to have you [jc & terry ]
Re: A Ford with character! ["Chris Hedemark" ]
Re: glad to have you ["Chris Hedemark" ]
toomuch money, no brains [jc & terry ]
Re: '59 name suggestions [Pea Soup A ]

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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 09:24:19 EST
From: JRFiero
Subject: Derusting -chemical, electrolysis

Mornin' -
I've been derusting and plating and painting various pieces of my '51, so I
thought I'd share some experience, and ask some questions.
First there was the vinegar use, subject of posts back in January. Vinegar
works, slowly. Doesn't clean off paint, doesn't clean off oil, but it reacts
away the rust.
Hydrocloric acid (Muriatic acid). Works great, but this is nasty stuff. I
quit using it after a couple times, even dilute. I had it outside, with a fan
to blow away the corrosive fumes, wearing a respirator, and it still scared
me. I also didn't dilute/neutralize it quite enough before pouring it down
the soapstone laundry sink, so the soapstone's not what it once was.
Phosphoric acid, as in Naval Jelly. Ho hum. Just tried it a little on
steering gearbox end/side plates, not impressed.
Oven cleaner. Not bad. Takes off the paint and grime nicely. I need to do
a little more experimenting with this stuff.
Drain cleaners. Haven't tried them yet. Anyone?
Electrolysis. There was a URL in a post back in September,
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.physics.adelaide.edu.au/~awilkins/wood/electrolysis.html, which,
with its links, details a safe-looking electrolysis method of rust removal.
Has anyone tried this? I'll get around to it. Looks promising for large
parts, like a completely rust covered fan shroud I have waiting.
Plating, Eastwood plating kit. This seems to work pretty well, but I can't
yet speak for the durability of the plated parts. It uses a sulfuric acid
electrolyte, an unnamed annode, and a dry cell battery. Only takes 4 - 5
minutes to plate a part. Comes out a dull silver, which you can polish to
look like shiny silver. Not chrome, not advertised to look like chrome. If
you plate male and female threads a little too much, they start to conflict on
assembly! Parts have to be ABSOLUTELY clean, however.
I've come to the conclusion that for ordinary nuts and bolts, I'm just going
to go buy the stainless equivalent. All this cleaning and plating just isn't
worth it. That said, the sets of fasteners I've cleaned and plated are: the
funny little carraige bolts which hold the trumpet horns together; exhaust
clamp bolts on my Ducati; and the bolts which hold the plates on my steering
gearbox. None of them are standard fasteners.
So what does everybody else do?

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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 11:48:01 EST
From: RJC988
Subject: Welcome to the club

Chris,

Nice website. You are in the same boat as most. One piece of advice. If you
don't want to fabricate most of your parts, get a truck from either the 40's -
52 or the 53 - 56 models. Anything else until about 80 does not have the parts
network. I know, I have a 57. Great body stile, but if I get hit, I'm in
trouble.

Maybe we'll see you in Pigeon Forge.

Glenn in Memphis

ps. Guys be careful how you bring up Pigeon Forge in the AOL "Wheels" chat
room. They joked about that for hours one night!

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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 12:11:02 -0500
From: "Chris Hedemark"
Subject: Re: Welcome to the club

>Nice website. You are in the same boat as most. One piece of advice. If you
>don't want to fabricate most of your parts, get a truck from either the
40's -
>52 or the 53 - 56 models. Anything else until about 80 does not have the
parts
>network. I know, I have a 57. Great body stile, but if I get hit, I'm in
>trouble.


Are there a lot of custom parts available for retrofitting stuff into these
years? Do you have any good web sites of companies that sell these parts?
I want to have a better idea of what I'm committing myself to here. :-)

>Maybe we'll see you in Pigeon Forge.


What's there?

>Glenn in Memphis


Chris in (near) Durham

>ps. Guys be careful how you bring up Pigeon Forge in the AOL "Wheels" chat
>room. They joked about that for hours one night!


No problem. I'm not on AOL. ;-)

Chris Hedemark
Yonder Way
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.yonderway.com

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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 10:34:36 -0700
From: Randall Colgan
Subject: A Ford with character!

>Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 23:52:49 -0500
>From: "Chris Hedemark"
>Subject: Intro

>I just signed onto the list. I signed up because I need to get a truck
>soon, and I don't want it to be one of the trucks made between like 1972 and
>1996 that has little or no character.
>I've always liked the older Ford trucks, and would prefer one *if* it's a
good match >for what I'd like to do.

I have pictures of the fronts of Ford trucks from 48 to 72 on my home page
with permission from Mac's Antique Auto Parts. This might give you an idea
what year appeals to you. I prefer the 48 to 52 F-1s.

>Namely, I'd like to "restify" the truck. Late model smallblock with EFI,
>probably a 351W. Air conditioning, PB, PS, power disc brakes. Are these
>things unusually hard to do on old Ford trucks??

Not hard at all! My plans are to drop in a 302/C4 combo in a 52 F-1. I've
heard it's fairly easy to do.

>I know that many folks prefer restoration, and I think that is fine, too. I
>personally prefer a mixture of the old and the new so that we can have the
>technology of today with the beautiful styling of yesterday.

Exactly the way I feel too. I'm looking for something I can readily buy
parts for if I have mechanical problems.

>I don't have
>a big fancy garage with lots of special tooling for fabrication or welding
>or anything so if I go through with this it will need to be pretty
>straightforward. If I am expecting too much from an older truck, lemme know
>and I'll look for something a little newer with a 302 and such even if it
>ends up being an uglier truck. :-)

It is a lot of work but not difficult. It is well worth it! Go for it.

P.S. If you search the web you should be able to find one for sale at a
reasonable price.

Regards,


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Randall Colgan
University of Alberta
Edmonton, Canada
1952 F-1 Ford Truck
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ualberta.ca/~rcolgan/home.html
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 21:15:14 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: '59 name suggestions

Forwarded for: Eric Kulig

Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 18:52:48 EST
From: RJC988
Subject: "Piece of____"

In a message dated 98-02-26 05:52:41 EST, you write:


From: John Pease
Subject: f350 lady says thanks! >>

Terry in IA,

I have been driving an '87 Mazda Cab Plus for about 2 years. Mine is a
B2000
(read: slow!) I will have to drive my "piece of ___" until my '57 F-100
gets
road ready. Selling it would bring in some parts/mechanic funding, but it
is
still too cold in Memphis to walk to work!

I don't have a name for my F-100 yet. Anybody have any suggestions?

Glenn in Memphis

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[Eric Kulig] In my opinion, I think if, and what you name your truck is a
personal thing. And I wouldn't rush finding it a name, either. Just do
your thing with the old beast and before long something will stick or pop
into your head and you'll have the PERFECT name!

I got "Happy Days" for the name of my Grandpa's truck after a couple of
months of me owning it. I was cleaning out the interior and found a thick,
tarry gunk all stuck to the steel area of B-pillar behind the driver's
seat. Took me quite awhile to clean it off. I remember that and always
will..... hence the name "Happy Days"...... That was the chewing tobacco
(snuff) that my Gramps always had a dip in his lip when we'd go bouncing
around together in the truck when I was younger.......the tobaccy juice
would spray back into the cab when he spit out the window and accumulated
over all the years he owned it! ;-)

Eric
"Happy Days"
1961 F100 Unibody w/'59 292Y-block

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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 21:34:26 EST
From: FRD56F100
Subject: Re: Truck Names

I call my 56 "Foringa", my license place reads "LA4INGA"

Joe

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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 21:39:46 -0600
From: "Doug Mclaughlin"
Subject: Re: fordtrucks-digest V2 #54

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Date: Saturday, February 28, 1998 4:52 AM
Subject: fordtrucks-digest V2 #54


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>fordtrucks-digest Saturday, February 28 1998 Volume 02 : Number 054
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> The Naming of One's Truck ["Don & Teresa Neighbors"
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> truck names [jc & terry
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> Intro ["Chris Hedemark"
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>Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 06:36:32 -0500
>From: "Don & Teresa Neighbors"
>Subject: The Naming of One's Truck
> >
>Terry in IA,
>
>I have been driving an '87 Mazda Cab Plus for about 2 years. Mine is a
B2000
>(read: slow!) I will have to drive my "piece of ___" until my '57 F-100
gets
>road ready. Selling it would bring in some parts/mechanic funding, but it
is
>still too cold in Memphis to walk to work!
>
>I don't have a name for my F-100 yet. Anybody have any suggestions?
>
>Glenn in Memphis
>
> >My 56 short bed ,small window, has been modified into a 4x4 and painted
winter camoflage (gray,white,black) and I named it "Frostbite" I have found
very few 56 4x4s and that paint scheme is hard to find on anything that
isn't military.
I also own a japmobile (84 nissan kingcab), it's my parts getter, junk
hauler, beater. It has over 176,000 on the odometer and recently that's the
only thing working on the instrument panel. My speedometer's dial spring
crapped out and my temp and fuel never worked. I keep 5 gal. of gas in a can
in the bed just in case. My exhaust looks like a long tube of rusty swiss
cheese! I'll give it one thing, it always starts for me.
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 19:56:17 -0800
From: jc & terry
Subject: glad to have you


Namely, I'd like to "restify" the truck. Late model smallblock with EFI,
probably a 351W. Air conditioning, PB, PS, power disc brakes. Are these
things unusually hard to do on old Ford trucks??


it's a lot easier than it used to be when i first started. they have
virtually anything you want in after market. to keep the price down you have
to shop and here is a good place. then ask questions. your not the first one
to do this and here is a good palce to find people that did.


I know that many folks prefer restoration, and I think that is fine, too. I
personally prefer a mixture of the old and the new so that we can have the
technology of today with the beautiful styling of yesterday.


yes we have both kinds here. the opinions are strong but that is america. we
can all think what we want. we have some stone cold original soldiers, some
lets make old new like you are, and some wild boys like me that mix and
match (i run a 400 hp chevy smallblock and tranny under my 59 f-100) and
will use anything around to get what they want. the bottom line is that all
our trucks say ford on them. and they come in all shapes and sizes.


I don't have a big fancy garage with lots of special tooling for fabrication
or welding
or anything so if I go through with this it will need to be pretty
straightforward. If I am expecting too much from an older truck, lemme know
and I'll look for something a little newer with a 302 and such even if it
ends up being an uglier truck. :-)


perish the thought. there are few people more frugal (cheaper) than i am. i
check every lead in every area around the world. sometimes i will tell you
to spend a few bucks but what i have found is in the long run it will still
be cheaper and easier. i don't know where you are located but i'm one of
your best sources for locating parts and whole trucks on the left coast. we
have several others that cover the right coast and in between. you'll also
have to remember that living in cal. i am slightly spoiled by plenty of
vehicles that never rust and multiple locations for almost anything. plus i
do other vehicles too. welcome aboard.

T-bird Terry

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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 23:11:28 -0500
From: "Chris Hedemark"
Subject: Re: A Ford with character!

>I have pictures of the fronts of Ford trucks from 48 to 72 on my home page
>with permission from Mac's Antique Auto Parts. This might give you an idea
>what year appeals to you. I prefer the 48 to 52 F-1s.


After looking at the pictures I figure I can't go wrong with anything in
that range (48 to 52). They all look much better than anything that anyone
has made for years.

>Not hard at all! My plans are to drop in a 302/C4 combo in a 52 F-1. I've
>heard it's fairly easy to do.


Ever hear of an AOD swap? Or how about a 5 speed? Once you've had
overdrive it's hard to go back. :-)

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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 23:09:32 -0500
From: "Chris Hedemark"
Subject: Re: glad to have you

>it's a lot easier than it used to be when i first started. they have
>virtually anything you want in after market. to keep the price down you
have
>to shop and here is a good place. then ask questions. your not the first
one
>to do this and here is a good palce to find people that did.


Then I'm glad I found y'all!

>yes we have both kinds here. the opinions are strong but that is america.
we
>can all think what we want. we have some stone cold original soldiers, some
>lets make old new like you are, and some wild boys like me that mix and
>match (i run a 400 hp chevy smallblock and tranny under my 59 f-100) and
>will use anything around to get what they want. the bottom line is that all
>our trucks say ford on them. and they come in all shapes and sizes.


I was surfing around and found one guy with a 351 Cleveland (probably on
this list) which is interesting because I happen to have a 351C-4bbl in
storage. But I am hooked on the benefits of EFI and the Ford EEC now so I'm
still wanting to go 5.0L or 5.8L. It looks like there are plenty of options
on the power steering, power disc brakes, and air conditioning. I'm pretty
handy with the stereo stuff so I'm not worried on that front.

I am wondering - does anyone here have a complete drivetrain from a late
model mustang donor? Like a 5.0L with a T5 or AOD tranny and 8.8" rear?
Straight swap like that would be great because of the HUGE aftermarket for
Mustangs. 9" rear is still doable. EFI is my big sticking point and it
would be nice to have an overdrive trans (stick or auto... doesn't matter to
me).

>perish the thought. there are few people more frugal (cheaper) than i am. i
>check every lead in every area around the world. sometimes i will tell you
>to spend a few bucks but what i have found is in the long run it will still
>be cheaper and easier. i don't know where you are located but i'm one of
>your best sources for locating parts and whole trucks on the left coast. we
>have several others that cover the right coast and in between. you'll also
>have to remember that living in cal. i am slightly spoiled by plenty of
>vehicles that never rust and multiple locations for almost anything. plus i
>do other vehicles too. welcome aboard.


I'm located near Durham, NC. South Boston, VA is pretty close, and
Tennessee is about 3 hours from here.

I can't buy the truck right now, but would like to this summer. Maybe
sooner if a good deal is out there. Anyone here live near the Triangle?

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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 20:34:21 -0800
From: jc & terry
Subject: toomuch money, no brains

i know this is a little off the mark but as we all spend large sums on
rebuilding things i thought this would be of interest. a couple of weeks ago
we had our annual autorama here in sacramento. one of the big attractions
was a 54 plymouth ht coupe with a viper drive train called the "sniper". it
was built by a young fellow by the name of troy trepenier. he is in his
early 20's but blew onto the national scene several years ago when he toured
a bitchen chopped pro street 59 nash station wagon around the country. his
design ideas are very cutting edge. i talked to him and his dad at the show
and told him frankly i liked the nash better and he seemed to enjoy that
comment. we got down to the brass tacks on this "sniper" and this is what i
was told. he started with a rusted out hulk (yes rusted out) that he bought
in the dc area for $6500. i asked why so much and he replied he could find
no other and it had to be this car for the person he was building it for. i
told him to give me a call next time as they are all over cal. (hey, i could
make a few bucks too) he then called chrysler and is the only person ever
given (as in no dollars) a 97 viper mule, with 3000 miles, for the drive
train. the company gets 200 calls a week for this product and so far he is
the only one. the rest of the car went back to the plant. dealers can't even
get this deal.

now get this, he charged $35 and hour and billed 8500 hours on this vehicle.
. i almost choked on the corndog i was munching. he has only driven it once
and only took it to 80 mph. he said the power is awesome and it handles
beautifully. although i thought his per hour was pretty fair, my granny
could have built it faster. for those that haven't done the math yet this is
just under 300 k for the finished car not counting the free drive train. the
hours add up to 40 p/wk, every week of the year, for 21/2 years. great work
if you can find it. with rich goobers ready to huck this kind of money out
the window is it any wonder that we little people end up paying the price.
and to think, someone commented just the other day that THEY got taken to
the cleaners. as i have said more than once "the emporer has no clothes" or
for those not familiar with the that particular story, it was a socially
acceptable for the some one to stand up and call B.S. i suppose someone out
there (my throw money at everything brother-in-law) will say it was somehow
worth. that's ok to believe what you want. it just doesn't change the truth.

see, what do we have to gripe about.

T-bird Terry

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Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 01:57:45 EST
From: Pea Soup A
Subject: Re: '59 name suggestions

In a message dated 98-02-28 21:09:46 EST, you write:

>
l think everyone is making a big deal over this naming thing...my first truck....


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