fordtrucks-digest Wednesday, April 29 1998 Volume 02 : Number 116



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In this issue:

Voltage Regulator ["Don & Teresa Neighbors" ]
56 rear tanks [jniolon uss.com]
Re: Rear fuel tanks [MichellHC ]
58 ford [kenny ]
Re: Fuel Gauge [sdelanty sonic.net]
Re: Gas tank - repair or replace? [Bruce Dunne ]
Re: Gas tank - repair or replace? [Scott ]
12V to 6V Gauges [Ray Cardogno ]
ADMIN: New list server working [Ken Payne ]
'40 Gas Tank Quirk [Brechtjohn ]
51 F1 rear end [Rick Barron ]

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 06:52:32 -0400
From: "Don & Teresa Neighbors"
Subject: Voltage Regulator

In the last Digest, Dan wrote: "I just replaced my worn out OEM fuel gauge
sender with an aftermarket unit. Also included was a six volt regulator..."
Dan, I am using one of those regulators, and the only real "problem" I
have is that the gauges pulse. The one I use is the same as what Ford used
in the late '50s and early '60s for their gauges, so I figured I'd be
better off with an OEM-type part. The pulsing seems to go away after the
engine is running and supplying power via the alternator.
That, or I am bouncing around in the cab so much once I'm under way that I
can't see the gauges pulse any more! :-)
Somebody here suggested that the way that regulator works is that the
swing from 0 - 12 volts averages out to 6 volts. If it was good enough for
Ford...

Don Neighbors
'54 F250 Named Grover

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 06:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: jniolon uss.com
Subject: 56 rear tanks

Michelle

wouldn't you know it...last box...last book...there it is

Custom and Classic Trucks June 1996...pg 65
Relocating F-100 tanks using Isuzu

This one also requires notching the frame rail...
but makes for a nice install...

again, if you can't find the mag..let me know and I'll copy and
fax/mail to you..

good luck, and sorry it took so long to locate

john

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:44:15 EDT
From: MichellHC
Subject: Re: Rear fuel tanks

John,

Thanks for the info on the tanks. The trooper tank sounds the most interesting
at this point. I think I will see if I can find on at a local junk yard and
measure it, and go from there. I am not to keen on the Mustang tank because of
the rear filler. Also I am going to check out some early Bronco tanks (before
78) The early Broncos had a narrow frame rail as the Fifties Ford trucks did.
Give me a shout if you find the mag with the Trooper in it.

Michelle
Chell's Hauler

PS. I will be away from this board intil next Monday. We are going to the Pate
swap meet near Ft. Worth.

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:23:07 -0400
From: kenny
Subject: 58 ford

Hello,
I am new to the group and truck rebuilding. I have a few questions.
I am redoing a 1958 Ford shortbox F-100 Custom Cab and need to know if an=
yone has =

a good set of front fenders for her. Also need to get the chrome redone b=
ut do not
know where to start. The only other problem is the rear cab corners, rust=
ed out, =

any help would be appreciated.
thank you

Kenny (58)=

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:48:13 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: Fuel Gauge


>sent the first regulator back to the vendor, because I could not get
>6V out of it. The output just bounced between 12V and 0V. Today UPS
>delivered my replacement regulator, I hooked it up and behold,
>bouncing between 12V and 0V. At that point I pried the device open
>and looked inside. it is just a bimetal spring with a contact and a
>heater wire on it.

Yep Dan, that's what they do... they are very crude.


>cycle. Even if I could the state of charge of my battery and my
>alternator output would affect my gas gauge. I think that I am going
>to search for a more accurate method of suppling 6 volts to my gauges.

My prefered regulator is a LM7806 or equivilant, available at Radio Shack
or other electronics outlet. Nice little 6 volt regulator good for up to
1 amp. You should mount it on a small heatsink and use a bypass capacitor
on the input and output pins. Total cost at Radio Shack is likely under $3.
They are easy to hook up, let me know if You want more info or a schematic..


Steve
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty/

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.
-- Hunter S. Thompson

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 16:02:16 -0500 (CDT)
From: Bruce Dunne
Subject: Re: Gas tank - repair or replace?

Tom:

Just went through this experience. Had a couple of bothersome
leaks so I took the tank to a repair shop. They came back to
say that the leak was at the seam, and therefore not repairable
with conventional methods. There is now a process where they
bake an epoxy coating to the entire inside of the tank, so you
basically use the old tank as a cover for the new one. Apparently
they put the stuff in the tank, then spin it very fast to
distribute it evenly, then bake it.

Cost $200.00 with a lifetime guarantee. I've seen replacement
plastic tanks for about that price for my truck, but, hell, I
already had it out and now it looks like stock.

I think that most radiator/gas tank repair shops can farm out the
service.

Good luck,

BEDunne
'53 F100

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> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 20:12:32 -0400
> From: Thomas Teixeira
> Subject: Gas tank - repair or replace?
>
> We just got our '35 pickup working well enough to get registered and to
> pass the state safety inspection, and also filled up the tank for the first
> time. Unfortunately, it was leaking from at least three places. Two of
> these were easy to fix: by the filler neck (went away after tightening with
> big channellocks), the sending unit (had to re-epoxy the metal adapter ring
> for the modern sending unit), and one or more other places, probably near
> the seam. Any advice on whether to try to repair this tank, or just spend
> the money on a reproduction stainless steel tank. While the truck has
> mostly old or old style parts, it's got plenty of non-original parts so
> that's not an issue.
>
> My inclination is to spend the money and get a new tank so I won't have to
> worry about rust, et cetera, but if five minutes with J-B weld would fix
> this, it seems like a waste of money.
>
> Any voices of experience out there?
>

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 16:12:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Scott
Subject: Re: Gas tank - repair or replace?

- ---Rich Garber wrote:
>
> >My inclination is to spend the money and get a new tank so I won't
have to
> >worry about rust, et cetera, but if five minutes with J-B weld
would fix
> >this, it seems like a waste of money.
Because we are on the topic of gas tanks I was looking at mine and it
looks like it has surface rust IN it. Would one of those gas tank
coatings work well? Has anybody done this? I can't do the shake the
rocks thing because there are baffles in it.
Scott
==
1952 Ford Pickup now with Chromed bumper and grill!
Come take a look at my 1952 Ford Pickup Page:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/9731/


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DO YOU YAHOO!?

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 22:44:11 -0400
From: Ray Cardogno
Subject: 12V to 6V Gauges

>Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 00:46:00, -0500
>From: GEGK00A prodigy.com ( DAN LEE)
>Subject: Fuel Gauge
>
I think that I am going
>to search for a more accurate method of suppling 6 volts to my gauges.
>
>Dan Lee
>'53 F100
>351C-4V

This is the main reason none of my feul gauges work. I don't bother fixing
them because I now have 12 volts and it won't read accurately anyhow. I was
wondering about trying a variable resistor that you could turn to adjust.
The problem is getting the right range of resistance and wattage. Does
anyone know what the load for a fuel gauge is? Also what resistance/wattage
should be used to step down the voltage for all the other various gauges on
a 53-55 instrument panel? It seems that if you get one rated properly in
the mid-point of it's range, you could tweak it in. ???

Ray C

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 23:31:06 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: New list server working

New list server is now working. I'll be testing it until Friday
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 23:33:02 EDT
From: Brechtjohn
Subject: '40 Gas Tank Quirk

While we are on the subject of gas tanks, I have been experiencing a curious
problem in my '40 3/4 ton Express Pickup. The problem only happens in the
warmer months, (beginning now). When I fill my tank up and the day-time
temperature goes up, gas leaks out of my filler tube. It seems as though I
have a trapped pocket of vapors in the tank that expand with heat and force
the gas up and out of the filler tube. There is a smaller vent (?) tube
inside of the filler tube. When I am filling the tank I notice that gas spits
back up out of it--so it isn't clogged. Does anyone have any ideas or
knowledge of the venting system? The tank in the '40 is under the seat, in
fact the seat sits on it.

Sincerely, John Brecht

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