fordtrucks-digest Tuesday, April 21 1998 Volume 02 : Number 109



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In this issue:

RE: largest that Ford made? [Molly & garry Catalano ]
RE: rear fuel tank for 56 [Alec Fernandez ]
Red letters on hubcaps [Abe Stauffer ]
Cruise-O and FMX ["Piegat, Tim" ]
Re: 55 stock wheel color [Rich Garber ]
Hard steering '37 [Gary Vandergrift ]
Re: Gear Ratios and Rear ends. [Cdalep ]
More parts contacts [Ray Cardogno ]
Another Parts source [Gary Vandergrift ]
tilt front [jc & terry ]
Re: Red letters on hubcaps [Howard Tarnoff ]
Lowering a truck [ynot80 juno.com (Tony S. Pinzino)]
Re: largest that Ford made - Contest [Dan Koster ]
Re: Bill 1951 f-1 302 AOD/FI [RJC988 ]
WHAT?? [RJC988 ]
Re: Bill 1951 f-1 302 AOD/FI [Cathy Greenlaw ]
Re: Parts Sources [Ken Payne ]
Re: 9" Ford rear ends [TNickolson ]
Hood birds and rearends ["Abram H. Stauffer"
56 wiper motor [David Stokes ]
56 door locks [David Stokes ]
Re: 57 truck style, 54 grill [Justin McCrite ]

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 98 05:17:37 PDT
From: Molly & garry Catalano
Subject: RE: largest that Ford made?

About a year ago there was an F-1100 in one of the swap sheets. It was only built in 58 or 59. the truck was huge. don`t know why they discontinued it tho. Garry
- --- On Sun, 19 Apr 1998 22:36:26 -0400 Ray Cardogno wrote:
>12 volt was an option in 55, according to the shop manual.
>
>Rich
>54 F100

Thanks, never heard that.


>From: Dan Koster
>Subject: Fullsize Fifties Fords
>
>Hello Everyone.
>
>I was just wondering if anyone knew which full-size trucks were made
>from 53-59? What was the largest that Ford made?

The largest I have seen is the F-900 (there's about a foot of fender width
to the left and right of the grille.)

ray c





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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:17:51 -0400
From: Alec Fernandez
Subject: RE: rear fuel tank for 56

Michelle,

One thing you might want to look into is the pumping ability
of the stock fuel pump. There was a post some time ago about
a guy who did exactly this and then couldn't get his truck
to run except by carrying a can of gas in the cab with the
fuel line dunked in it. He posted a question as to why his
truck wouldn't run since he moved a tank. We of course posted
a bunch of worthless advice, crazy ideas and some things to
check.... I think T'Bird Terry said what he needed was a small
block Chevy engine.

It didn't sound like a vacume problem because the
truck wouldn't run at all but we never heard the final solution.

Could it be that these old fuel pumps don't self prime? That
would stink if you ever ran out of gas after moving the tank
to a position lower than the fuel pump.

BTW, why move the tank? Safety... Increased Storage in Cab?

Later,
Alec

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:27:26 -0400
From: Abe Stauffer
Subject: Red letters on hubcaps

Stock experts,
I bought hubcaps last year at Carlisle for my '54. My 16" rims are
going to be the body color (meadow green). Did all hubcaps 53-56 come
with red "FORD" letters or is this a popular option. I was going to
paint my "FORD" letters meadow green but the current discussion has got
me thinking. I know I can do what I want. I want to do it stock. What
was stock and original? Thanks!
Abe '54 F-100

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 08:38:17 -0600
From: "Piegat, Tim"
Subject: Cruise-O and FMX

The old Ford cast iron automatic was a Borg Warner design for Ford in the 50s.
It was sold under many names and configurations in Fords, Mercs, and Lincolns
(don't know about Edsels). One of the common arrangements started the trans in
2nd and then shifted to 3rd. To access 1st, the lever had to be placed in low
and manually moved to access the higher ranges. This can lead to the mistaken
idea that they are two speed transmissions. The final use of this design was the
FMX, and I understand that internal components from the FMX could be used in the
older trans. Newer clutch packs, valve bodies, and one way clutches can be used
in the older units to get the performance that we have come to expect from 60s
and 70s automatics, including a 1-2-3 shift pattern. During the 50s, hot rodders
would use larger components from the Lincoln version of these transmissions to
gain the performance and reliability they needed for hot engines.

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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 22:48:55 -0500
From: Rich Garber
Subject: Re: 55 stock wheel color

At 10:14 PM 4/19/98 -0400, you wrote:
>If it is the factory stamp, anyway you can. I am going to the restoration
shop
>to visit my truck tomorrow and will ask. What books have you been
reading? I
>searched amazon.com and found two titles that are out of print. I would like
>to find something to read on prep for show etc.
>

When I brought mine home, my neigbor (who has a 53 and a 55) lent me
some books. I have since gave them back. When I see him, I'll see if I
can use them again.

Rich
54 F100

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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 23:31:30 -0400
From: Gary Vandergrift
Subject: Hard steering '37

I just got a '37 "85" pick up. Body is solid, paint good, '52 v8. On
the other side it's very hard steering and it wanders. From what I
know the steering gear has been replaced with a '48 box and column.
When I jack the front end up, I can turn the steering wheel with my
finger. While driving I need to use both arms and hold my breath. I
see that the bearings need to be tightened, can't tell about king pins
until I adjust the bearings. The tires are 6.00 X 16s, not too big. I
am not sure what to check next. I haven't measured the alignment yet,
which might be contributing to the wandering. Any ideas what I should
check for? I want to keep the wheels and hub caps original so I don't
want to put a different front end on.
Maybe power steering but it seems like I should make sure there isn't a
problem first. Maybe this is normal.
Thanks in advance, Gary

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 00:11:01 EDT
From: Cdalep
Subject: Re: Gear Ratios and Rear ends.

Ive seen several postings about gears etc. Found a site that might be helpful
( I know its a C*evy site but gears arnt partial to one or the other. )
Try www.classic truckshop. com/
Key on " Truck articles"
Go to gear ratios and speedo formulas.

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 00:10:52 -0400
From: Ray Cardogno
Subject: More parts contacts

I went through and found some contacts I had that I did not see already
posted. Hey let's all jump on this one. We could acumulate a great
resource. Some of these are local guys not necessarily advertised. You
probably got some in your area. Share the wealth. There are plenty of parts
hiding around for all of us (I finally found an original windshield
sunvisor for 53-55). I included some because I had the phone number to
include with addresses you already got.

PV Antique Ford Parts
(508) 851-9159

Concours Parts
PO Box 1210
Santa Ynez, CA 93460
(800) 722-0009 note phone #

Ford Truck Parts
3420 W National Rd
Dayton, OH 45414
(937) 454-1039

Fords
Tucson, AZ
(520) 749-9681 Truck & parts located

Kenroy Ford Parts
NJ
(609) 478-2527

Northwestern Auto Supply
MI
(800) 704-1078
Fax: (616) 241-0924

Obsolete Ford Parts Co
8701 S I-35
OK City, OK 73149
(405) 631-3933 note phone #

Obsolete Ford Parts Co
GA
(912) 686-2470

S&S Truck Parts
Pine St
Deposit, NY 13754
Wk: (607) 467-2929
Fx: (607) 467-2109

Y-Block Auto Parts
Box 1005
Ottawa, IL 61350
Wk: (815) 433-1393

Anyone have more?

ray c

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 00:19:51 -0400
From: Gary Vandergrift
Subject: Another Parts source

I have found that Ray has MANY parts for older Fords.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.wsii.com/rhodeisl/users/helgers/
Ray Helgers (401) 635-4849
31 Willow Ave. in Little Compton, RI 02837.
e-mail Ray Helger: rayh wsii.com

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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 22:45:40 -0700
From: jc & terry
Subject: tilt front

an anybody offer any hints / suggestions on the best way to secure a tilt
front end.
I.ve made up the hinges and hydraulics already but the imagination has run out
and am wondering if anybody who has done this can let me know how they secured
it in the closed position
Thank

i used the hydraulic trunk pull down from a caddy
T-bird Terry

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:57:09 -0400
From: Howard Tarnoff
Subject: Re: Red letters on hubcaps

To the beast of my knowledge RED. Mine are being painted today.
Howard

Abe Stauffer wrote:

> Stock experts,
> I bought hubcaps last year at Carlisle for my '54. My 16" rims are
> going to be the body color (meadow green). Did all hubcaps 53-56 come
> with red "FORD" letters or is this a popular option. I was going to
> paint my "FORD" letters meadow green but the current discussion has got
> me thinking. I know I can do what I want. I want to do it stock. What
> was stock and original? Thanks!
> Abe '54 F-100
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:56:03 -0400
From: ynot80 juno.com (Tony S. Pinzino)
Subject: Lowering a truck

hello everyone,

I have a 1955 f-100 truck that i am currently working on. The truck is by
no means stock . The truck has a newer drive train in it. So I was
figuring I would make it a little custom. One of the things I wanted to
do to it was to lower it , but , I didn't know how to go about doing
this. So I figured why not ask people who might have some ideas on how to
do this. SO if anyone as any suggestions or ideas let me know.

Thanks,

Tony
ynot80 juno.com

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:36:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dan Koster
Subject: Re: largest that Ford made - Contest

> What was the largest that Ford made?
>
> The largest I have seen is the F-900 (there's about a foot of fender
width
> to the left and right of the grille.)
>


Who here has the largest Ford? (not running o.k.)


Dan
_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 18:52:28 EDT
From: RJC988
Subject: Re: Bill 1951 f-1 302 AOD/FI

Bill,

How does your AOD hooked up? Do you still have use of the lookup torque
convertor? Did you move the entire computer or use an aftermarket system? i
want to install the 302/AOD combo in my 57, but all the magazines I have found
only list the 350/700r4 (ch*vy). I want to stay all Ford, but I do want an
adequate system.

Glenn in Bartlett
Soapy the 57 F-100

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:01:44 EDT
From: RJC988
Subject: WHAT??

From: "Paul G."
Subject: 57 truck style, 54 grill

One of my personal wonders of the world is, after making the 48-56
trucks relatively attractive, and realizing the 55+ chevys were pretty
good looking also, how did Ford make such a BUTT UGLY body style in 57?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`

hey paul - Soapy resembles that remark!!!!!

Glenn in Bartlett
Soapy the B*TT UGLY 57 F-100

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:01:20 -0400
From: Cathy Greenlaw
Subject: Re: Bill 1951 f-1 302 AOD/FI

RJC988 wrote:

> How does your AOD hooked up? Do you still have use of the lookup torque
> convertor? Did you move the entire computer or use an aftermarket system? i
> want to install the 302/AOD combo in my 57, but all the magazines I have found
> only list the 350/700r4 (ch*vy). I want to stay all Ford, but I do want an
> adequate system.

Up until the last few years the AOD has been more or less just a juice box, the
electric version is called, if recall E40OD, or a similar designation, and it has
an additional connector for 3rd and OD. The juice version says "Automatic
Overdrive" on the pan and has only one connector above the shift linkage for start
interlock and back-up lamps. Of key importance is the adjustment of the kickdown
cable which must be in place and properly adjusted to work, as in upshift. Other
than the cable problem, which should be no big problem, AOD's up to at least '88
will bolt in and work just like a C-4 or FMX. The AOD doesn't have a removable
converter housing, and AOD's from a 300 six, 3.8L V-6 and 351 will all fit. the
back of a 302. If you've using a early, pre 81, motor be sure to use the correct
balance weight flexplate.47 Fred

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:54:15 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: Parts Sources

At 10:19 PM 4/19/98 -0500, you wrote:
>At 05:29 PM 4/18/98 -0400, you wrote:
>>Here is a list of some of the sources I have found for parts and
>>supplies:
>>
>>Hot Rods & Custom Stuff
- -snip-
>
>
>These are the ones I know of, Comments on ones I've used are only my
>comments, I do not, nor will not, endorse any of the above or receive
>anything from the above.
>
>Is there any more?
>
>Ken, mabey we could vote on these vendors, just a fill in the blanks
>type list. Price, Service, Quality. It would keep them honest and
>mabey improve the product. I tired of sending stuff back because it
>was'nt the quality I expected. Prices can be very different, Example:
>I've seen the clutch adjusting rod priced from $8.00 to $34.00.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Rich
>54 F100

Rich,

When the web site was new, I maintained a vendor list. It was
quite large. However, as time went by, it seemed that every
Tom, Dick and Harry company wanted to be on it. Also, it seemed
that every car dealer on the Net contacted me about being on it.
Rather than put up with the hassle, I dropped it in favor of
a links page.

If someone wants to maintain a list of this type, I'll gladly
put it on the site and update it monthly. I can't commit to
maintaining this myself. There would be a mail link on the web
site to the maintainer.

Anyone willing?

Ken

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 21:25:49 EDT
From: TNickolson
Subject: Re: 9" Ford rear ends

To Bill; 1951 F1
Thanks for the information, did you get your donor rear end from a 1972 F150?
The rest of your information I had already assumed needed to be done. My
biggest concern was the overall width of the donor unit. It's expensive to
start cutting and weilding and make one fit, I could do all the rest of the
work myself.

Thanks

Tom

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 00:01:42 -0400
From: "Abram H. Stauffer"
Subject: Hood birds and rearends

Hello,
I found a hood bird on a hood of a '56 F-250. I got the hood, bird and
hinges all for $10. Is this an authentic Ford Truck accessory or a bird
from a Ford car? The number is: BA 16850 F
It measures 11.5" long and has a 7.5" wingspan. If is not a Ford truck
accessory what does it belong to?
More numbers questions: Can you tell the gear ratio or year of a rear
by the numbers on the pumpkin? There is the # 18418 at one spot and a
#44 with a circle inside a square next to it. I got this rear off a
trailer some one made from a Ford pickup so all I know is that it is
between '53-72. Externally, the rear is identical to the one on my '54
F-100. Any help?
Thanks, Abe

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 21:18:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Stokes
Subject: 56 wiper motor

In the summer issue (1997) of "Ford Truckin" there are several pictures of
56's without wiper motors mounted on the firewall. These trucks appear to
have the wiper motor mounted under the dash like on the 53-55's. Has
anybody done this. Do I need to modify a 55 or can the 56 be modified.
What is involved?

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 21:15:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Stokes
Subject: 56 door locks

One of my 56's has a locking drivers door, and the other one does not have
a lock on the drivers side. Was this a special ordered option in 1956? And which one is more valuable? Any
thoughts would be greatly appreciated

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 01:01:37 -0700
From: Justin McCrite
Subject: Re: 57 truck style, 54 grill

Hey! I happen to really like the 57 to 60 body style. I love the fat
fendered too but i think they a great job on this truck with the first
styleside bed. Now that i think about it i can't think of any "butt ugly"
Ford trucks. Just my opinion.


Paul G. wrote:

> One of my personal wonders of the world is, after making the 48-56
> trucks relatively attractive, and realizing the 55+ chevys were pretty
> good looking also, how did Ford make such a BUTT UGLY body style in 57?
>....


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