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In this issue:

Stock Wheel Color [Howard Tarnoff ]
Re: brake hoses [Rich Garber ]
Re: Oil Bath Bounty Hunt [Howard Tarnoff ]
Re: Stock Wheel Color [Rich Garber ]
Re: 12 volt [Rich Garber ]
Ford FMX tranny [MichellHC ]
Fullsize Fifties Fords [Dan Koster ]
Re: Stock Wheel Color [Howard Tarnoff ]
1952 FORD F-1 [Tim Seawolf-Self ]
Re: 1952 FORD F-1 [Pea Soup A ]
Re: 1952 FORD F-1 [Scott ]
Parts Sources [Howard Tarnoff ]
Re: desirablity of models [RJC988 ]
Re: 9" Rear end's [TNickolson ]
Re: desirablity of models [Scott ]
Re: Stock Wheel Color [Rich Garber ]
front clips [KLaff61624 ]
Re: desirablity of models [Cathy Greenlaw ]
Re: Transmissions [Cathy Greenlaw ]
FMX trannys [Randall Colgan ]
Re: Teeth n'smiles, Hoops and Hoses [Ray Cardogno ]
Quit Knocking the '54's ["Abram H. Stauffer"
fmx [jc & terry ]

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 08:10:07 -0400
From: Howard Tarnoff
Subject: Stock Wheel Color

Hello,

For those who have visited MACs Antique page and have seen my 55 F100
you know that I am one who likes things stock. With this in mind I am
taking off the Chrome Reverse Wheels and going back to stock. Here are
a couple of questions:

Does anyone have the paint number (Red) for the lettering on the hub
caps?
As to wheel color, is matching the body color a stock option or where
all wheels that cream off white?
I have seen some with pinstripe between the hub cap and the outer trim
rings. Is this stock?

Thanks,

Howard

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 09:51:23 -0500
From: Rich Garber
Subject: Re: brake hoses

At 08:22 PM 4/17/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Also, I need the left and right rubber bake hose that connects from the
>caliper to the brake line. The least amount that I have found them for,
>is $59.00 per hose.


Macs
1-800-777-0948

48-52 $15.95
53-56 $14.50


Rich
54 F100

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 09:55:00 -0400
From: Howard Tarnoff
Subject: Re: Oil Bath Bounty Hunt

Rich,

Also, the carb is 5 inches in diameter.

Thanks again.

Howard

Rich Garber wrote:

> >I thought that I had been fortunate in locating an Oil Bath Air Cleaner
> >for my 55 F100. No so. My 317.5 Y Block is almost a love hate
> >relationship.
> >
> >The Air Cleaner I bought from Glen Marion does not fit the throat of the
> >carb. Although a 2bbl, the diameter is about the same as a 4bbl.
> >
> >Anyone who has seen or knows of such an animal please e-mail me.
>
> Howard,
>
> I think I know where one might be. It will be alittle while before
> I get back up there. Measure the top and let me know. What carb do you have?
>
> Rich
> 54 F100
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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 10:00:27 -0500
From: Rich Garber
Subject: Re: Stock Wheel Color

>As to wheel color, is matching the body color a stock option or where
>all wheels that cream off white?

Howard,

On my 54, from whaat I have read, the wheels were the body color.
It changed with the different years, I don't know what years, But
I think 55 were white.

I too am restoring to factory orignal and just picked up the stock
16" rims. What are you planing to use for tires? I want tires to look
stock but, I would really like radials for saftey reasons. Do you
know if someone makes a stock looking radial?

Rich
54 F100

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 10:05:19 -0500
From: Rich Garber
Subject: Re: 12 volt

>the most classy. I bet lots of folks like the 56 because it was the first
>with a 12-volt system.

12 volt was an option in 55, according to the shop manual.

Rich
54 F100

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 11:15:48 EDT
From: MichellHC
Subject: Ford FMX tranny

In a message dated 98-04-18 05:53:39 EDT, you write:


my 55 F-100 when i bought it . The guy said that it is a cast iron
transmission or something like that . I also know that it is an
automatic. Any info. would be helpful.

Thanks,
Tony >>
I have had a couple of FMX trannys, they are a cousin of the old Ford
crusimatics, I had one installed in a 79 Ford pickup I once owned behind a
bored and stroked 429 cj motor, that old CJ motor had 528 cubes in it and
produced gobs of torque. After splitting the case on two C-6s with in two
weeks I tried the cast iron fmx and never had any more transmission problems,
I did however tear up a couple of u-joints after that.

Michelle

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 08:50:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dan Koster
Subject: Fullsize Fifties Fords

Hello Everyone.

I was just wondering if anyone knew which full-size trucks were made
from 53-59? What was the largest that Ford made?

Thanks,

Dan




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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 12:45:21 -0400
From: Howard Tarnoff
Subject: Re: Stock Wheel Color

Rich,

Timely question. I am looking at the following web sites to find tires:

MACSAUTOPARTS.COM
WIDEWHITEWALLTIRES.COM

Also, are you certain that the stock rims for your truck are 16"?

I just spent most of the morning looking through a years worth of classic
truck and custom classic truck and am almost certain that I am going to
body color for the wheels. Have not decided if I want smooth or ribed trim
rings.

HHT

Howard

Rich Garber wrote:

> >As to wheel color, is matching the body color a stock option or where
> >all wheels that cream off white?
>
> Howard,
>
> On my 54, from whaat I have read, the wheels were the body color.
> It changed with the different years, I don't know what years, But
> I think 55 were white.
>
> I too am restoring to factory orignal and just picked up the stock
> 16" rims. What are you planing to use for tires? I want tires to look
> stock but, I would really like radials for saftey reasons. Do you
> know if someone makes a stock looking radial?
>
> Rich
> 54 F100
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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 12:24:20 -0700
From: Tim Seawolf-Self
Subject: 1952 FORD F-1

I have found what I believe to be a 1951?-52 F-1 and am negotiating to
purchase it. All glass is shotout with a BB-gun, etc., and it has some rust
and minor body repair required. It seems original and complete, with a
probable original straight six engine. It has been sitting in the backyard
for at least 20 years, probably more. Any comments, including ballpark
figure of its approximate value, in its present condition, appreciated.

Tim
tim selfroots.com

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 15:31:20 EDT
From: Pea Soup A
Subject: Re: 1952 FORD F-1

Sure Tim...l think its what you will give and what the other guy will take...l
probably paid too much for my 51...but l love it and it draws a crowd most
every where l go...
trucks.com/pictorial/big/1951_f1.html">1951_f1.html at www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 13:44:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: Scott
Subject: Re: 1952 FORD F-1

> I have found what I believe to be a 1951?-52 F-1 and am negotiating to
> purchase it. All glass is shotout with a BB-gun, etc., and it has
some rust
> and minor body repair required. It seems original and complete,
with a
> probable original straight six engine. It has been sitting in the
backyard
> for at least 20 years, probably more. Any comments, including
ballpark
> figure of its approximate value, in its present condition,
appreciated.
>
> Tim
Just pop the hood to see what engine is in it. If the engine is
running that is better, depending on if you are restoring it or just
using it to drive. The glass is all flat so any glass shop should be
able to cut you new glass. Check the front fenders, where they meet
the runnign boards and above the lower fender for rust. Also check
the running boards, under the support, not where they bolt on but the
one for strength. The rear lower cab, where it hangs over the frame
could have lots of rust too because water got trapped in there. We
paid $600 for ours and it had rust in all those places but all the
body work is just about done.
Scott
==


1952 Ford Pickup
Please take a look at my 1952 Ford Pickup Page:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/9731/
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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 17:29:57 -0400
From: Howard Tarnoff
Subject: Parts Sources

Here is a list of some of the sources I have found for parts and
supplies:

Hot Rods & Custom Stuff
2324 Vineyard Avenue
Escondido CA 92029

F100 connection
2606 Haynie Road
Custer WA 98240

Obsolete Ford Parts
8701 South Interstate 35
Oklahoma City OK 73149

SoCAL Pickups Inc
FAX 714-994-2584

Bob's F100 Parts
9372 Mission
Riverside CA 92509

Frantsen Stainless Products (Tailgate Parts)
RR1 Box 45
Windom MN 56101

Dennis Carpenter Reproductions
PO Box 26398
Charlotte NC 28211-6398

Concours Parts
PO Box 1210
Santa Ynez CA 93460

Bob Drake Reproductions
800-221-ford

Glenn Marion
3616 S. Sweeney Rd
Grain Valley, MO 64029

Hope these are of value to someone.

Howard

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 17:43:33 EDT
From: RJC988
Subject: Re: desirablity of models

Does anybody notice that the 1957 models are not involved in this debate?

By the way, does anybody take Classic Trucks magazine. The latest edition has
a great article on the 50th aniversary of the F-series truck. Take a look!

Can anyone answer this question: if the camaro and Mustang II IFS clipsare so
popular, why can't a later (79-93) Mustang front clip be used? I can find a
bunch of these with 5.0's and AOD's.

Glenn in Bartlett TN
Soapy the 57 F-100

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 17:50:26 EDT
From: TNickolson
Subject: Re: 9" Rear end's

I am planing to install a Ford 9" rear end in my 52 F1. It currently has the
original assembly installed, but the original gear ratio is so low that I feel
the engine works to hard just driving 60 on the express ways. Has anyone
installed a 9" in a 48 to 52 F1? What year and model did you use and what
modification were required? I am willing to spend the time and money to keep
the spring, shocks and frame original, I will spent the time and money to
modifiy the housing to fit and appear original.

Thanks

Tom

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 14:54:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: Scott
Subject: Re: desirablity of models

- ---RJC988 wrote:
> Can anyone answer this question: if the camaro and Mustang II IFS
clipsare so
> popular, why can't a later (79-93) Mustang front clip be used? I can
find a
> bunch of these with 5.0's and AOD's.
>
> Glenn in Bartlett TN
> Soapy the 57 F-100
I don't know about the camaro clips but I think that the later Mustang
II IFS changed and don't fit the frame. This is just a guess though.
The later Mustang II's might have gone to struts instead of the way
that the older ones are, lack of words to describe it.
Scott
==


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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 20:34:48 -0500
From: Rich Garber
Subject: Re: Stock Wheel Color

>Also, are you certain that the stock rims for your truck are 16"?
>
Howard,

According to the shop manual the standard tire was 6x16-6. I think
the -6 was six ply? Optional was the 15.

Try Coker Tire, they seem to have all the orignal tires.
1-800-251-6336

Nice truck, mine is all in pieces, cab work is starting soon, the
frame and motor is 95% compleate. its starting to look good.

Call that yard on monday. I real sure thats the oil bath your looking
for. They told me that those old trucks are going to meet thier maker
real soon. Its a huge yard, but they need more space. If they won't
send it or want to much, I might have another source. Its an odd
carb, one I hav'nt seen alot of.

Rich
54 F100

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 22:02:48 EDT
From: KLaff61624
Subject: front clips

Glenn, Nobody wants ugly struts sticking up in the engine compartment, also
the frbrication of strut upper mounting points would be difficult. Strut
systems can not compete with a properly styled upper and lower A-arm
supension because the strut upper mounting point is stationary. That is the
reason nobldy uses the 79-present supension.


Ken L.

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 21:54:05 -0400
From: Cathy Greenlaw
Subject: Re: desirablity of models

RJC988 wrote:

> Can anyone answer this question: if the camaro and Mustang II IFS clipsare so
> popular, why can't a later (79-93) Mustang front clip be used? I can find a
> bunch of these with 5.0's and AOD's.

Mustang II suspensions are of the double A frame type, and are complete within
the frame system. To simplify, you just unbolt the system from a donor car and
rebolt it in the receiving vehicle. Mustang II is not really a "clip" because
only the suspension parts are moved. Since any Mustang II is 20 years old, most
installations now are kit fabrications based on the design. A Camero is "clipped"
by cutting the sub frame and welding it to the cut ends of the receiving vehicle.
Both systems carry the appropriate engine mounts with them to install late model
motors. A '79-93 Mustang uses a modified McPhearson strut system, where the upper
control arm is replaced by a strut. This strut requires a separate, and tall,
support it is probably more work than installing a welded Camaro, and offers only
limited suspension adjustment when its finished. The inherent limitations and
installation difficulties of this front end suspension is the main reason why
Mustang "III" will probably never be popular.47 Fred

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 22:18:18 -0400
From: Cathy Greenlaw
Subject: Re: Transmissions

Tony S. Pinzino wrote:

> Does anybody have information on a FMX trans. ? I have one that came with
> my 55 F-100 when i bought it . The guy said that it is a cast iron
> transmission or something like that . I also know that it is an
> automatic. Any info. would be helpful.

The FMX ,as far as I know, was a late 70's item that Ford liked to throw into
its heavier cars and some trucks as well. I've see them used behind a 400M,
351M and 302, all were in a LTD or Grenada (or however you spell such a
name). They are heavy, and unpopular with engine swappers and have limited
aftermarket support. They do however have a removable converter cover (bell
housing) that promotes easy swaps, if you can find the needed housing. I
tried one behind a 351W in a Mustang and could never get it to upshift
properly at wide open throttle, I cursed it for junk and put in a C-4, after
that all it did was smoke the tires, both of them. That's when I gave up drag
racing and went into old trucks.
47 Fred

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 20:50:18 -0600
From: Randall Colgan
Subject: FMX trannys

Yes Tony it's true. The FMX cases are cast iron. The bell housing and
extension housing are removeable and I beleive they are made of aluminum.
You still should be able to get overhaul kits for them from your local
supplier.

Regards,

Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:46:41 -0400
From: ynot80 juno.com (Tony S. Pinzino)
Subject: Transmissions

Does anybody have information on a FMX trans. ? I have one that came with
my 55 F-100 when i bought it . The guy said that it is a cast iron
transmission or something like that . I also know that it is an
automatic. Any info. would be helpful.

Thanks,
Tony
ynot80 juno.com

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Randall Colgan
University of Alberta
Edmonton, Canada
1952 F-1 Ford Truck

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 23:35:29 -0400
From: Ray Cardogno
Subject: Re: Teeth n'smiles, Hoops and Hoses

>From: Rich Garber
>Subject: Re: Ugly Truckling
>
>>>Granted the 54's had
>>>the lower production numbers but I still like the 56. Regardless of what
>>>I think, you cant go wrong with any of these classy years
>>>
>>>Dave 56F100
>>
>>I think the 54 had the lowest production numbers because the grille was so
>>damn ugly (I own 1 by the way). :-)
>>
>>So ulgy it grows on you.
>
>Rich
>54 F100

Just don't let it sink them beaver-teeth into ya :-)

Ray C

Also Re: Wheels/hoses

>Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 20:22:59 -0700
>From: jc & terry
>Subject: brake hoses
>
>Also, I need the left and right rubber bake hose that connects from the
>caliper to the brake line. The least amount that I have found them for,
>is $59.00 per hose. Does anybody have any of these, or does anyone know
>of a source? Appreciate hearing from anyone that can help.
>
>one of the problems i stated earlier with the lincoln rear end. remember
>when i said it better be complete or the parts were outrageous? i would say
>go ahead and buy 'em. you'll be complete then and they are great when all
>together. you can find the wheels you need by calling stockton wheel
>(1-800-395-wheel)ext. 126. i know it's too many letters but it works or pete
>paulson motor sports (209) 983-0271. these guys will either sell you what
>you want or make it. don't skimp on a fine ride like this now. keep us
>informed.
>T-bird Terry

I also got bids from the above and others. Wheel Vintiques sold me
smoothies welded to my offset with the dual lug pattern, painted for $39
ea. Wheel Vintiques, CA (209) 251-6957

I usually find the hoses I need by going to my local auto parts store and
looking through the pictorial index that shows an image and lists fitting
sizes and hose lengths. Usually $15-$25 ea.

Ray C

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 23:37:22 -0400
From: "Abram H. Stauffer"
Subject: Quit Knocking the '54's

Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 18:18:20 -0500
From: Rich Garber
Subject: Re: Ugly Truckling

>>Granted the 54's had
>>the lower production numbers but I still like the 56. Regardless of what
>>I think, you cant go wrong with any of these classy years
>>
>>Dave 56F100
>
>I think the 54 had the lowest production numbers because the grille was so
>damn ugly (I own 1 by the way). :-)
>
>So ulgy it grows on you.

Rich
54 F100

OK Guys,
I like all years '53 to '56. But of course I am partial to the '54's. I
have owned my truck since 1977, but I have learned more about this model
truck in the last year and a half than the previous 19 since I got
serious about restoring it. I prefer the '54 because I own one but also
because it was the first year of the ohv V-8. The grill is the most
distinctive of all of them. The '53 and '56 are too plain and almost
identical. The '54 grill is neat because it has a profile. The others
are flat. You can see the grill on a '54 stick out from a side view. It
has a shape and some dimension to it.
The reason the production numbers were down that year is because a lot
of consumers weren't sure about the ohv after all those years of the
flathead (just my opinion of course). Last week I found a '54 in a local
junk yard where I had been many times before. The manager of the yard
called me up and said he found a '54. It was hidden behind a school bus
and a huge bush. Intact too, since no one else had seen it, it hadn't
been stripped.
The real reason I like the '54's is because I own one. I was a Chevy
man. Had a '57, a '55, shared a '56 with my brother, my Dad had a '48
3/4 ton Chevy 5 window pick up. Always thought the '55-'57 chevy pickups
were neat looking. But I bought my grandfather's "old Ford" because he
didn't need it and my '57 was out with tranny problems. Well the Chevy's
are long gone and the Old Ford is still serving me faithfully.
Look at Old Betsy at my web page at:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.mnsfld.edu/depts/educate/nuggets/abepg.html
Thanks, Abe Stauffer

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 20:58:26 -0700
From: jc & terry
Subject: fmx

Does anybody have information on a FMX trans. ? I have one that came with
my 55 F-100 when i bought it . The guy said that it is a cast iron
transmission or something like that . I also know that it is an
automatic. Any info. would be helpful.

this is what they call the green dot 3 speed cruise-o-matic. the cloumn had
p-n-d-d2-L . when you start in drive you get second-third, d2 is 1-2-3, low
is low. the purpose was a ford bettre idea that said if you were in ice and
snow, wet, or mud you could take off in 2nd and reduce tire spin form
tremendous low end torque of a big block fe. lasted till 65 and then went to....


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