fordtrucks-digest Tuesday, April 14 1998 Volume 02 : Number 102



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In this issue:

Re: Yo, Dipstick [Tkaczyk ]
'56 Windshield Installation [Lynn Schrum ]
RE: Coil Voltage [Alec Fernandez ]
Newbys ["Prof. Don Schaupp" ]
Re: 64 unibody [Chris Hedemark ]
where's the Rhino? [Ray Cardogno ]
Re: Newbys [Chris Hedemark ]
Re: Newbys [FoMoCoNUT2 ]
Re: where's the Rhino? [Chris Hedemark ]
Re: front shock mounts. [JStoneF100 ]
Re:internal combustion [OBKBEE ]
more on ignition hell... [TonyDePaul ]
Re: internal combustion [Cathy Greenlaw ]
Chop Top [Flathead52 ]
I'm back! [RJC988 ]
9" [jc & terry ]
ifs [jc & terry ]
Good Source for used parts ["Abram H. Stauffer"
Oil Bath Bounty Hunt [Howard Tarnoff ]
Re: Chop Top [JStoneF100 ]
[none] [anthony g moore ]
downtime [jc & terry ]
Re: more on ignition hell... [AZYacht ]
Re: 9" [AZYacht ]

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:15:44 -0400
From: Tkaczyk
Subject: Re: Yo, Dipstick

Hi Ben,

My 292 dipstick tube measures 14 3/8 inches from the block entry point to
the top of the tube. It take a turn (slight bend) towards the rocker cover
at 9 inches up. Good luck.

Gary Tkaczyk

Ben Thompson wrote:

> Could somebody out there with a 292 help me out? My long block came
> back from the rebuild shop with a very mangled dipstick tube. I'm
> trying to get a new one made up but I'm not sure of the length. If
> someone could measure theirs, from where it exits the block to its
> top, I would sure appreciate hearing from them.
>
> Ben Thompson
> benofwah worldnet.att.net
> 56 F350 9ft Express
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:26 -0500 (CDT)
From: Lynn Schrum
Subject: '56 Windshield Installation

When installing a windshield on my 56 F-250, is the chrome strip around
the windsheild installed before or after the windshield is installed
in the truck?

Thanks,

Lynn
'56 F-250 RED

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:35:52 -0400
From: Alec Fernandez
Subject: RE: Coil Voltage

> -----Original Message-----
> From: rmeier connect.net [SMTP:rmeier connect.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 1998 3:33 AM
> To: fordtrucks ListService.net
> Subject: Coil Voltage
>
> Darcy Lee Davis writes:
> "Also, as an Engineer in training, as far as I know, these won't work
> with DC current. Any
> information is appreciated"
>
> Darcy,
> Part of the coil secondary voltage comes from the transformer action. The
> major part of comes from what is called "inductive reaction".
[Alec Fernandez Says:]

Darcy,

Don't listen to these nay sayers. Inductance inschmuctance, I don't
believe a word of it. Who ever heard of a half pulse a/c inductance
transformer... just between you and me, I think a lot of these folks have a
screw or two loose. Listen, I think you're on to something here, I don't
think the coil does a darn thing... in fact, next time I'm working on the
truck I'm a gonna unplug that wire coming out of the top of it and see if I
can feel anything coming out. I'm bettin' I won't feel a thing. Let me
know if you get a chance to try this before I do.

Alec

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:56:25 -0400
From: "Prof. Don Schaupp"
Subject: Newbys

My seventeen year old son and I are brand new on the block. We know
nothing. But a fellow wants to trade us a 55 Ford pickup for our pontoon
boat which we never use. I'm a woodworker and a computer science prof -and
haven't touch a vehicle since the late 50's and then only stock cars with
the old 59A block. Where do we start learning.

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:51:39 -0400
From: Chris Hedemark
Subject: Re: 64 unibody

KLaff61624 wrote:

> Hi list, I have located a 64 f-100 unibody that is a basket case and missing
> the front sheet metal, engine and transmission. It has rust and is rusted out
> in some places but is repairable and the sheet metal is straight and it is all
> orginal. I am trying to decide if it is worth buying and if it is very
> desirable to anyone else, because I already have one truck and I don't know if
> I can justify two trucks. Can anyone give me any imput on this project truck?

Is a 64 on your "wish list" or is this just an opportunity that flew
your way? If it's on your wish list, and the price is right, you might
just buy it and store it until you can justify the expense of working on
it and getting it streetable again. If it's not on your "wish list", I
would probably pass on something so far gone especially in your case.

If I had the room, and had an opportunity to get a 51 or 52 for cheap, I
would garage it until I had the $$$ to do it up right. Right now I
can't afford that and have a lot of work ahead of me on an 87 that I
rescued from the slow death it was getting. Yeah, I know, there is
nothing "classic" about an 87 but in the future it might be, and it is
actually a very dependable truck with the EFI 302. If someone
presented, say, a 1956 truck to me in the condition you describe I'd
probably have to pass. Maybe if it were in better shape it would be
worthwhile but if it isn't something you really have been looking for
then save your money and wait until "the right truck" comes along.

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Chris Hedemark - chris yonderway.com - http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.yonderway.com
"From the fury of the Norsemen, oh Lord, deliver us!"

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:11:20 -0400
From: Ray Cardogno
Subject: where's the Rhino?

>I have two words for you: rhino liner
>
>The stuff sprays in, and the way the application procedure works it is
>*extremely unlikely* that any moisture will get trapped underneath. The
>stuff is tough, thin, and will perfectly match the contours of your
>panel. The thickest that they can spray it is about 1/4" but that is
>some pretty heavy insulation by the time you lay it on that thick.
>
>It takes about 3 seconds to dry after they spray it so you can have your
>wagon in and out in a day.

Hey Chris,
Thanks for the tip, I'll look into it. Where can this Rhino be found lurking?

Ray C

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:08:46 -0400
From: Chris Hedemark
Subject: Re: Newbys

Prof. Don Schaupp wrote:

> My seventeen year old son and I are brand new on the block. We know
> nothing. But a fellow wants to trade us a 55 Ford pickup for our pontoon
> boat which we never use. I'm a woodworker and a computer science prof -and
> haven't touch a vehicle since the late 50's and then only stock cars with
> the old 59A block. Where do we start learning.

Don,

You came to the right place. With a 1955 truck there should be no
shortage of help for you and your son. I beleive the list admin, Ken
Payne, sells a restoration guide, the profits of which help maintain the
mailing list. Check out the web site at http://www.ford-trucks.com for
details.

Also get a bunch of catalogs from parts houses so you'll be better
prepared to plan your project. You may find small parts that are
godawful expensive and big parts that are relatively cheap so it's good
to have the catalogs to have a better understanding of what lies ahead.

What direction do you want to go in with this truck? A pure
restoration? A wild street machine? A mild daily driver with modern
drivetrain and suspension? Your options are pretty broad and will
really define how you proceed from here.

With your woodworking background you may want to look at the truck with
the idea of putting in a nice hardwood bed floor, maybe a true wood trim
dash, use your imagination.

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Chris Hedemark - chris yonderway.com - http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.yonderway.com
1987 Ford F250 "Optimus Primer"
1996 Ford Mustang GT "Mach 1"
"From the fury of the Norsemen, oh Lord, deliver us!"

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:24:46 EDT
From: FoMoCoNUT2
Subject: Re: Newbys

In a message dated 4/14/98 12:57:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dschaupp swu.edu
writes:

>
Well you have for sure landed in a great place here on this list. Sit back
observe, ask any questions you may have, all here firmly believe in the only
stupid question is one not asked. The resources are endless, only limited by
your amount if interaction. Something unusual and wonderfull has been created
here, something that can't be duplicated. Take a look at the recommended
magazines, books etc. on the web page. My personal philosophy whether it be
with working on the trucks or cars or woodworking, gardening and a
professional endeavor of mine, rifle marksmanship; "it's a zen thing, learn
all you can, listen to others, learn by teaching, enjoy the expierience to the
fullest, do all things intently and deliberatly". Wow...... what kind
of coffee did I drink this mornin' ?....

Well there is more than my $ .02 worth..... Enjoy and Welcome aboard....

John Miller

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:28:35 -0400
From: Chris Hedemark
Subject: Re: where's the Rhino?

Ray Cardogno wrote:

> Hey Chris,
> Thanks for the tip, I'll look into it. Where can this Rhino be found lurking?

I'm at work so I don't have one handy, but you can look in just about
any 4x4 magazine to get a number to call that will tell you the names &
numbers of the closest authorized dealers to you.

- --

Chris Hedemark - chris yonderway.com - http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.yonderway.com
"From the fury of the Norsemen, oh Lord, deliver us!"

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 18:16:21 EDT
From: JStoneF100
Subject: Re: front shock mounts.

The mounts are the stud type and they're "Free to a good Home"..plus
shipping? Or will trade for something old and low-buck-Jeff call any Saturday
at work 330 627 9842 between 8am and 3pm

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 16:55:20 EDT
From: OBKBEE
Subject: Re:internal combustion



Hey Wait!! you mean someone actually understands the internal combustion
engine? Who is this slug? And why won't she/he let the rest of us in on it?
>>
Hey Fred-
:-) The first thing I learned at Jet engine school via USMC was that the
configurations are different but All engines are the same , S.S.B.B.
SUCK, SQUEEZE, BANG an BLOW :-) It doesn't help understanding but it was an
attention getter.

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 20:32:09 EDT
From: TonyDePaul
Subject: more on ignition hell...

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I was interested to read what Mike Wright had to say about electronic ignition
(copied below). I've got a '49 F-1 and can't seem to keep a set of points in
it.

I've done a 12-volt conversion and have tried a couple of different kinds of
resistors to cut down the voltage to the points. The last one was a 60-inch
resistor wire out of a mid-50s Ford truck. It cut down the voltage to 5 1/2
and I got about 1,500 miles out of my last set of points, which was some kind
of record. The most I had gotten before was about 800 miles.

I plan to call Remund Ignition, as Mike suggested.

Any other ideas out there?

I'm running a Flathead Six, by the way.

Tony



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Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 14:53:39 -0500
From: "Jon F. Grossardt"
Subject: Electronic Ignition for '47 1 1/2 ton

Does anyone know of a source for an electronic ignition system for a
stock '47 truck
engine (6V system) with the front mounted distributor?

Thanks in advance.

Jon


Jon,
On my '49 F-3 I kept chewing thru points and was told that they don't
make 'em the same way nowadays and the current on a 6 volt system is too
big for 'em. I did a lot of hunting and found a place that does the
magnetic pickup thing for 6 volt systems. They're called "Remund
Ignition" and I've been running the first working prototype in my truck
for 2 years now. They give a nice blue spark - every time. Installation
takes 10 minutes. Call Mickey Remund at (619)460-3620. Tell him Mike
Wright in Salt Lake City gave you the number - He'll remember me.
In case you're wondering, he's a custom shop for the Pertronics guys.
They make millions of e-ignitions worldwide but don't like to deal much
with the old vehicles. Mickey's one of us, He's got a couple of restored
Fords.
Good Luck,
Mike Wright

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 20:30:33 -0400
From: Cathy Greenlaw
Subject: Re: internal combustion

OBKBEE wrote:

>
>
> Hey Wait!! you mean someone actually understands the internal combustion
> engine? Who is this slug? And why won't she/he let the rest of us in on it?
> >>
> Hey Fred-
> :-) The first thing I learned at Jet engine school via USMC was that the
> configurations are different but All engines are the same , S.S.B.B.
> SUCK, SQUEEZE, BANG an BLOW :-) It doesn't help understanding but it was an
> attention getter.

Can't help but wonder what terms the air force used.47Fred

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 22:54:37 EDT
From: Flathead52
Subject: Chop Top

Hello

Can anyone give me any information about chopping a top on a 52 F-1?
If you did it what kind of things would you do differently? Would you do it
again?
How much can I chop it?
Any comment's would be welcome.




Tom Grover
Flathead52 aol.com

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 22:57:37 EDT
From: RJC988
Subject: I'm back!

Guys I've been away some time now. We just moved into our new home here in
Bartlett Tn. (no smog or inspections to put up with now!). I have a garage to
work on Soapy now. Any other "showboxes" out there(57 - 60) keep the info
coming. I'm starting in earnest! I see there has been some more FORD / ch*vy
wars going on online. You had better talk me out of putting a 350/700R4 in my
truck. They are under every rock in Memphis. I can't get any 302's (forget
about AOD's)

Glenn in BARTLETT
And his 57 F-100 named Soapy

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 20:10:31 -0700
From: jc & terry
Subject: 9"

Well, I'm looking again.........need a ford 9" third member... equal
loc or limited slip - 28 spline
3.25 or 3.50 gears (or close )reasonable priced.come on guys...it's
out there somewhere
help me out


just out of curiosity, why the limited slip? also you should be aware that
most auto 9" are 3:00 to 1. fine for milage and power too.
T-bird Terry

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 20:16:13 -0700
From: jc & terry
Subject: ifs

I just do average road driving, and would rather spend a little more $
for a better IFS, if it comes to that.
All I want to keep is the big Ford bolt pattern and not butcher up the
frame. My panel is a daily driver, so chroming, etc. is not important.
thanks in advance, Paul G.

if you don't mind spending the money and you want the big bolt pattern and
strength get a f-150 front end and have it grafted. any time you put a
different front on your gonna have to do some modification. i am not sure
what you call butchering.

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 23:07:36 -0400
From: "Abram H. Stauffer"
Subject: Good Source for used parts

Hey Gang,
I said I would give you the addresses for Street Rod Heaven when I
found it. It is a good source for used, rust free parts.
Owner: Bob Hanson
Mail: 1340 Graf, Ridgecrest, CA 93555
email: noniea ridgecrest.ca.us
phone: 760-499-7026 Fax: 760-375-6057
Abe '54 F-100

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 23:19:13 -0400
From: Howard Tarnoff
Subject: Oil Bath Bounty Hunt

Hello Gang,

I thought that I had been fortunate in locating an Oil Bath Air Cleaner
for my 55 F100. No so. My 317.5 Y Block is almost a love hate
relationship.

The Air Cleaner I bought from Glen Marion does not fit the throat of the
carb. Although a 2bbl, the diameter is about the same as a 4bbl.

Anyone who has seen or knows of such an animal please e-mail me.

Also, if there is some one (lucky enought to be) attending the nationals
who would not mind looking and negotiating for me I would be happy to
pay a bounty.

Lets talk,

Howard
Franklin MA

ps..please not new email address, thanks

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 23:28:27 EDT
From: JStoneF100
Subject: Re: Chop Top

Please this is just my personal opinion on top chopping. The vehicle is 50
plus please preserve it. If you want to cut something up choose something less
sacrete,perhaps a T-Bird

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 19:30:08 -0800
From: anthony g moore
Subject: [none]

>Hey Rich & T-Bird Terry
>
>My 50 F2 has an ornament sounding very much like the one you're all
>describing. I argued with the 80 year old man at whose garage the truck
>resides (for rebuilding) over the origiality of this item. We both agree it
>appears period to the truck but have never seen one. In old magazine ads
>I've not seen them either. What is needed is an original ford sales brochure
>of available items, special items etc. In either case I will measure it
>today to see how accurately it matches the description of the one at your
>end. I'ze keepin an eye on this interesting (and important!) discussion.
>Tony in Fairbanks Ak.

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 20:37:15 -0700
From: jc & terry
Subject: downtime

P.S. I was just corrected by the better half, also known as the "senior over
the shoulder Email editor" that she will be the one no doubt to do the Library
running..... :)

"it's going to be a long month gang, "
Thanks again to a great bunch of Ford people

spent a year in a wheel chair and 42 days in a hospital bed. know what ya
mean. would have given anything for this computer then. tell yur better half
to check out anything hot rod(most libraries had a subscription but are
probably on microfiche now), any of the motors manuels from the old days
etc. i'll tell ya though. the net is full of people just like you that like
other fords too. try t-bird, galaxy, fairlane, custom truck, falcon,
mustang, and even some of the other breeds. it's not just ford people that
do this and engineering skill and trick ideas transcend breed loyalty.
besides, a sharp dude could see what somebody did to the frame or door
mounts, or tilt front or bed, or engine modification, or chrome dressup on a
41 kelvanator-nash coupe and apply the same tricks to his own ford truck
with a little readjusting. any model can have the door handles shaved and
replaced with solenoid door locks. believe it or not suspension airbags
were designed by ford 4 use on the 58 t-bird. it never happened but guess
what happened with airbags you'll have plenty of time to think about it
anyway. i'm also gonna tell you about one more thing. that better half will
be worth her weight in gold when yur on yur butt and it hurts to feed
yurself so you be careful what you say and how you treat her.
good luck dude.

T-bird Terry


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