fordtrucks-digest Tuesday, April 14 1998 Volume 02 : Number 101



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In this issue:

Re: Panel Truck Ventilation/Insulation [Chris Hedemark
6 volt point suck [flat-head juno.com]
9" traction loc rear end [jniolon uss.com]
Hood ornament ["Paul G." ]
Insulation name ["Paul G." ]
DC coil transformers [Ray Cardogno ]
ignition coil [KLaff61624 ]
Re: pre 60's Ford [Fordf3 ]
IFS...pros & cons ["Paul G." ]
Intermittent wipers ["Paul G." ]
Re: pre 60's Ford [billjhs ]
Yo, Dipstick [Ben Thompson ]
Coil Voltage [rmeier connect.net (Roger Meier)]
Running boards and other parts ["Abram H. Stauffer"
Recomend some reading [FoMoCoNUT2 ]

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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 08:44:13 -0400
From: Chris Hedemark
Subject: Re: Panel Truck Ventilation/Insulation

Ray Cardogno wrote:

> Subject: Panel Truck Insulation
>
> What about insulating the roof and walls? I am not sure what to do.
> I have wondered about spraying in foam behind my interior panels after
> wrapping them with temporary protective plastic to make it tight as a drum
> and ultra quiet. I have this awful fear however of water somehow getting
> behind it and rotting it out.
[snip]
> I would love to hear any comments or suggestions on this one.

I have two words for you: rhino liner

The stuff sprays in, and the way the application procedure works it is
*extremely unlikely* that any moisture will get trapped underneath. The
stuff is tough, thin, and will perfectly match the contours of your
panel. The thickest that they can spray it is about 1/4" but that is
some pretty heavy insulation by the time you lay it on that thick.

It takes about 3 seconds to dry after they spray it so you can have your
wagon in and out in a day.

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Chris Hedemark - chris yonderway.com - http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.yonderway.com
"From the fury of the Norsemen, oh Lord, deliver us!"

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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 06:48:27 -0600
From: flat-head juno.com
Subject: 6 volt point suck

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Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 14:53:39 -0500
From: "Jon F. Grossardt"
Subject: Electronic Ignition for '47 1 1/2 ton

Does anyone know of a source for an electronic ignition system for a
stock '47 truck
engine (6V system) with the front mounted distributor?

Thanks in advance.

Jon


Jon,
On my '49 F-3 I kept chewing thru points and was told that they don't
make 'em the same way nowadays and the current on a 6 volt system is too
big for 'em. I did a lot of hunting and found a place that does the
magnetic pickup thing for 6 volt systems. They're called "Remund
Ignition" and I've been running the first working prototype in my truck
for 2 years now. They give a nice blue spark - every time. Installation
takes 10 minutes. Call Mickey Remund at (619)460-3620. Tell him Mike
Wright in Salt Lake City gave you the number - He'll remember me.
In case you're wondering, he's a custom shop for the Pertronics guys.
They make millions of e-ignitions worldwide but don't like to deal much
with the old vehicles. Mickey's one of us, He's got a couple of restored
Fords.
Good Luck,
Mike Wright

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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 15:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: jniolon uss.com
Subject: 9" traction loc rear end

Well, I'm looking again.........

need a ford 9" third member...

equal loc or limited slip - 28 spline

3.25 or 3.50 gears (or close)

reasonable priced

come on guys...it's out there somewhere
help me out

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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:09:16 -0400
From: "Paul G."
Subject: Hood ornament

This is a cool list; about 2 months ago I asked about an ornament on a
truck in a magazine, with no real answers, and lo and behold, now we
find out there was a hood ornament available.
Never know what or when you'll find out what you want to know.

Paul G.

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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:20:28 -0400
From: "Paul G."
Subject: Insulation name

The stuff I used in my panel is called ESP double sided foam insulation,
or Astrofoil, and costs just under $150. for a 4 x 120' roll.
I just called my local supplier and checked name and price. I swear
they called it something else before.
When I bought mine, they had an opened roll so I didn't have to buy but
what I needed, which for the panel was about 120 sq.ft. or so.

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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:39:22 -0400
From: Ray Cardogno
Subject: DC coil transformers

>Darcy Lee Davis wrote:

>Also, as an Engineer in training, I'm
>putting some of my knowledge to use. However, I can't figure out how the
>ignition coil can increase the voltage. I understood that it was a type of
>transformer, but as far as I know, these won't work with DC current. Any
>information is appreciated

The making and breaking of the points creats a pulsing DC. The transformer
works on the inductance that occurs either when the ac wave passes zero
volts in either direction or when DC pulses from zero. It may help you to
think of it as the equivalent of a 1/2-cycle AC pulse to produce a
intermittent high voltage spark. These are again created and timed for each
top dead center compression stroke by the points.

Hope this helps. Study hard so you only have to get your hands dirty when
you want to play with your trucks.

Ray C

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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 17:32:11 EDT
From: KLaff61624
Subject: ignition coil

Think it has something with rapidly turning the DC on and off, producing a
fluctionating voltage, thus making the coil work as a transformer.

Ken L.

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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 18:59:14 EDT
From: Fordf3
Subject: Re: pre 60's Ford

What is a F-68

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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:27:45 -0400
From: "Paul G."
Subject: IFS...pros & cons

Down the road a bit, when I get some $ saved, I would like to convert my
55 panel to IFS. In the meantime, has anyone added a front sway bar to
standard suspension? Opinions?

I want to keep the big ford bolt pattern in front.
Any ideas on which IFS is: easiest to install? strongest? weakest?
any special recommendations, pro or con?

I just do average road driving, and would rather spend a little more $
for a better IFS, if it comes to that.
All I want to keep is the big Ford bolt pattern and not butcher up the
frame. My panel is a daily driver, so chroming, etc. is not important.
thanks in advance, Paul G.

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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:32:35 -0400
From: "Paul G."
Subject: Intermittent wipers

I have installed the 12volt wiper upgrade from Dennis Carpenter
(probably the same from most everyone else). It has a "foreign" motor,
German I believe (can't see now, it's way up there). I am attempting in
my spare time to wire in one of the many generic intermittent wiper
things; first time didn't work so well.
I figure I can either play around for a day or ask you guys: Has anyone
installed an intermittent wiper on this conversion/upgrade? I know I'm
not prepared as I type this, but, trust me, the wiring doesn't line up
with the general instructions on the box, since this is a foreign motor
with different wiring, etc.
Thanks, Paul G.

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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:52:47 -0400
From: billjhs
Subject: Re: pre 60's Ford

Its a Canadian built F-2

Fordf3 wrote:

> What is a F-68
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 20:47:02 +0000
From: Ben Thompson
Subject: Yo, Dipstick

Could somebody out there with a 292 help me out? My long block came
back from the rebuild shop with a very mangled dipstick tube. I'm
trying to get a new one made up but I'm not sure of the length. If
someone could measure theirs, from where it exits the block to its
top, I would sure appreciate hearing from them.

Ben Thompson
benofwah worldnet.att.net
56 F350 9ft Express

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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 23:33:24 -0800
From: rmeier connect.net (Roger Meier)
Subject: Coil Voltage

Darcy Lee Davis writes:
"Also, as an Engineer in training, I'm
putting some of my knowledge to use. However, I can't figure out how the
ignition coil can increase the voltage. I understood that it was a type of
transformer, but as far as I know, these won't work with DC current. Any
information is appreciated"

Darcy,
Part of the coil secondary voltage comes from the transformer action. The
major part of comes from what is called "inductive reaction". When the
points close the 6 volts from the battery is applied to the primary
winding. Because it is a transformer, this is increased to about 600 volts
on the secondary. When the current in the primary is flowing at it's
maximum value of 6 amps or so, the points are opened and the current flow
is stopped rapidly. Changing the flow of current through an inductor (like
the coil primary) causes a very large voltage to be developed, about 250
volts or so in this case. You will learn later that the voltage developed
is the rate of change of current times the inductance of the coil, or
e=L*di/dt. It is this voltage that is multiplied by the transformer
winding to about 25,000 volts. This is the voltage that causes the spark
in the spark plug. The 250 volts that is present each time the points are
opened is available at the wire that goes between the coil primary and the
distributor, so don't touch it (unless you like pain of course), it is
dangerous, probably even more than the high voltage secondary.
Regards,
Roger Meier

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 01:14:27 -0400
From: "Abram H. Stauffer"
Subject: Running boards and other parts

Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 23:14:05 -0600 (MDT)
From: Darcy Lee Davis
Subject: pre 60's Ford

I am in the process of restoring a 1948 Ford F-68. I would like to keep
it
as original as possible, but my running boards are in awful shape. I
would
like to find some steel boards to replace them, but all the parts
sources
I have only sell fiberglass ones. Also, as the truck (like most) spent
over 25 years in a lot, it has rust everywhere. When I get the new paint
on I don't want rust to spread out from the spots I can't get at such as
the radiator brace. I was thinking of just covering these spots with a
product such as chassiscoat black by Bill Hirsch, or POR-15. Can anyone
tell me whether this will work well. Also, as an Engineer in training,
I'm
putting some of my knowledge to use. However, I can't figure out how the
ignition coil can increase the voltage. I understood that it was a type
of
transformer, but as far as I know, these won't work with DC current. Any
information is appreciated

3 X 48 F-68

Darcy and other interested parties:
There is a place in CA that is called "Hot Rod Heaven". Bob, the owner,
is a super nice guy. He advertizes in Custom Classic Trucks. I can't
find his address right now. He also has an e-mail address. He rescues
old trucks from the dry climate out west and parts them out. I got a pr.
of running boards for my '54. It only cost $35 to ship them to PA. If I
find his address I'll post it later. This could help all of us!
Abe '54 F-100

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 01:22:57 EDT
From: FoMoCoNUT2
Subject: Recomend some reading

Hey Gang,
I am going to have some severe down time after this Friday. I'm the first
one on the table at 0530 for back surgery at Portsmouth Naval Hospital ( I'm a
Marine ). So it looks like at least a couple of weeks in bed and then at
least another two weeks of being at home and not being able to lift much at
all. I have been a mechanic for almost 21 years now and am for sure a
certified Ford Truck Nut. I am going out to you guys for any suggested good
reading, Ford related of course, Ford truck related the best, something,
anything, Videos too. I am going to go to the library with these suggestions
and put my tax dollars to work. I think I might even just polish alot of
stainless, Any suggestions you great bunch of gearheads can come up with is
greatly appreciated. I still plan to attend the Effie Nats in Tenn in May, I
will be spending alot of time sitting at the booth helping out Ken so I hope
to meet as many of you as I can. Thanks again and see you soon.
....


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