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fordtrucks-digest Friday, December 5 1997 Volume 01 : Number 069



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In this issue:

More on the Eternal Argument ["Don & Teresa Neighbors"
Re: More on the Eternal Argument [Keith Srb ]
Re: More on the Eternal Argument [Ken Payne ]
A real Question ["R. Garber" ]
Re: More on the Eternal Argument [A64F100 ]
ford v.chevy [jc& terry ]
9"rear [jc& terry ]
explanation [jc& terry ]
Re: ford v.chevy [Keith Srb ]

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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 06:44:32 -0500
From: "Don & Teresa Neighbors"
Subject: More on the Eternal Argument

Okay, okay!
As a man who has never purchased anything other that my truck based on
concepts of brand loyalty, my fleet of vehicles (Many of which DO run!)
includes 1 Chevy, 1 Plymouth, 2 VWs, 2 Mercuries and 2 Fords. I, for one,
get tired of seeing Chevy small block after Chevy small block in the
otherwise highly imaginative vehicles at a rod and custom show. I've even
seen small block Chevy engines in VWs, for crying out loud!!
Go ahead, be different!! I am not putting a Chevy engine in my truck!!
I'll close my eyes and imagine a well-massaged 292 Y-block with 3 deuces
and various other go-faster goodies in my '54. Till then, I just want to
keep the 239 alive.
I've vented my spleen. I feel MUCH better now.

Don Neighbors
'54 F-250 named Grover

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Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 07:53:54 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: Re: More on the Eternal Argument

At 06:44 AM 12/4/97 -0500, you wrote:

> Okay, okay!

> As a man who has never purchased anything other that my truck based on

>concepts of brand loyalty, my fleet of vehicles (Many of which DO run!)

>includes 1 Chevy, 1 Plymouth, 2 VWs, 2 Mercuries and 2 Fords. I, for one,

>get tired of seeing Chevy small block after Chevy small block in the

>otherwise highly imaginative vehicles at a rod and custom show. I've even

>seen small block Chevy engines in VWs, for crying out loud!!

> Go ahead, be different!! I am not putting a Chevy engine in my truck!!

>I'll close my eyes and imagine a well-massaged 292 Y-block with 3 deuces

>and various other go-faster goodies in my '54. Till then, I just want to

>keep the 239 alive.

> I've vented my spleen. I feel MUCH better now.

>

> Don Neighbors

> '54 F-250 named Grover


As much as I hate to save this, their is a company that combines Harley parts with a 350 Chevy engine, and creates a 350 Chevy powered Motorcycle. Makes me want to puke every time I see a picture of one, been lucky and haven't seen one in person yet. What a waste of a perfectly good Harley parts!


Grover, I like it. :)



Later.




Keith Srb herbie netvalue.net

Mesa, AZ

1986 Ford Bronco II, 2.9L (I HATE LITERS) V-6, Mitsubishi
5-Speed.

1980 Harley Davidson, XLH, Rebuilt from the frame up.

1974 Ford F250 Ranger XLT, Camper Special, 390ci 4bbl, Automatic, Long
Box, Style Side.

1966 Ford F100, 240 C.I. Straight Six, Model 1100 1bbl carb, Oil Bath Air
Cleaner, Warner T-18 4-Speed, Short Box.

My Blood runs "TRUE BLUE FORD on Four Wheels and Pure HARLEY on Two
Wheels!"

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Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 11:18:27 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: More on the Eternal Argument

- -snip-

>
>As much as I hate to save this, their is a company that combines Harley
>parts with a 350 Chevy engine, and creates a 350 Chevy powered Motorcycle.
>Makes me want to puke every time I see a picture of one, been lucky and
>haven't seen one in person yet. What a waste of a perfectly good Harley
parts!
>
>Grover, I like it. :)
>
>
>Later.
>
>
>
>Keith Srb herbie netvalue.net
>Mesa, AZ

They're made here in Atlanta. The bikes look gawdy and are so heavy they
are unusable. Any torque applied pulls the bike violently to the right,
making all that V8 power useless.

Ken

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Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 14:40:12 -0600
From: "R. Garber"
Subject: A real Question

Hello All,

I knew that the Ford / vortec would raise some comments. Good
thing we aren't in a bar drinking, could have been a mess. Ah, the
power of the internet, say what you want, to who you want.

Now for a question: My 54 223 6-cyl needs an exhaust deflector
spring ( heat spring, coil spring steel) and I can't find one. Any
have one laying around they could part with?

Rich

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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 17:59:48 EST
From: A64F100
Subject: Re: More on the Eternal Argument

>Okay, okay!
> As a man who has never purchased anything other that my truck based on
>concepts of brand loyalty, my fleet of vehicles (Many of which DO run!)
>includes 1 Chevy, 1 Plymouth, 2 VWs, 2 Mercuries and 2 Fords. I, for one,
>get tired of seeing Chevy small block after Chevy small block in the
>otherwise highly imaginative vehicles at a rod and custom show. I've even
>seen small block Chevy engines in VWs, for crying out loud!!
> Go ahead, be different!! I am not putting a Chevy engine in my truck!!
>I'll close my eyes and imagine a well-massaged 292 Y-block with 3 deuces
>and various other go-faster goodies in my '54. Till then, I just want to
>keep the 239 alive.


That's the way I see it.. Chevy motors in hot rods gets boring. It's cool to
see somebody with a unique motor combo their vehicle. I go to car shows and
look at all the cars with chevy motors and think "they could've been more
creative. I mean, Why not a Hemi or boss 429 or maybe something less
expensive. But originality in engine combos is sometimes less than what it
should be.. I got the 400 for my 64 for $200
and it was suficcent, but I got the more power bug and decided to make it
"better"
but I've only spent about another $150-$200 on it.

Well, keep it Ford Blue out there :)

Scott Loechel

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Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 16:33:28 -0800
From: jc& terry
Subject: ford v.chevy


As far as bring on the big block Ford's, you may have forgot something. It
isn't what's under the hood that counts, it's the complete setup of the
Truck that matters. I have seen 327 powered Vette's perform better than 427
powered Vette's. The difference wasn't the engine's, it was the way the
suspension was setup, their choice of tires etc. All the 427 did was sit
there and smoke the tires while the 327 raised it nose up a few inches, bit
the road and walked away from the 427.
Sounds like you are rather "loyal" to chevy to me
Bring on the Flame mail, I am a big boy and can take it!



now that's the spirit. i am familiar with yur analogy and you are correct
sir. the proof is in the puddin' . on the other hand, if the 327 was
pushing say 4 or 5 hundred hp and the 427 was stock 350 hp that could
account for it also. the beauty of the system is the ability of the best
builder to make the smoke regardless of his brand of motorvation.
i have reservations when someone says that "this is the ONLY way". see,
when someone is trying to explore his possibilities, opinions are an
excellent way to get different ideas. i try to offer logical alternatives,
based on mechanical, technilogical and econmic considerations, rather than
what is painted on the valve cover. at the time i put the chevy in my truck
the plan was to use an 85 lincoln efi and aod combo instead. it was in my
driveway. at that time, no one in america had the wiring harness for the tbi
setup. i was told by a wire specialist that he could use the lincoln harness
but i was looking at hauling a truck that didn't run to his shop for a week
and about $600 to wire it with no guarentees. this was after $50 bucks worth
of phonecalls and a weeks worth of work. the chevy was purchased running,
tranny with shift kit and shifter for $450. Vintage Ford supplied the motor
mounts and tranny cross member for $125 and 2 days later i was cruising the
strip. it has recieved several updates since then, but you see, the motor
had nothing to do with brand loyalty. i wanted a truck that would run and
ford didn't help me. to quiet you who said why not a 302. i tried that too.
wasn't one in town.

my decsions are based on what is good for me. not what other peole think. if
you think i am "loyal" to chevy you should be aware that my luxury cruiser
is a 65 thunderbird HT with every option known at the time except the
passenger mirror. it is 100% ford. my daily driver is a 65 falcon it is 99%
ford with 1% plymouth front split bench(i'm old and it's easier on my butt).
my wife's car is a 92 merc.sable LS with the 3.8 tuned port. Chevy, Ford,
Chrysler. it don't matter. they're all the same.

If it makes you happy, it makes me happy.

always remember, regardless of the color of the engine, you can't see HP
from the outside. hell, you can't even see my nos lines.

nuthin' i love better than a good arguement.


T-bird Terry
(guess you guys missed this)

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Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 16:40:00 -0800
From: jc& terry
Subject: 9"rear



I guess since Chevys always prefer 9" rears, turnabout is fair play, but
at least our rear end is a true improvement on the GM rear.

Paul G.

i'll go with that, as a matter of fact i did. i run 'em in 3 of my vehicles.
truly bullet proof.

T-bird Terry

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Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 16:48:04 -0800
From: jc& terry
Subject: explanation

I have to agree...CHEVY'S SUCK! 350 in a ford classic truck like
yours...I won't bring my wallet but will bring my shotgun!(kidding). You
just don't whats good for your truck. Talk about racing huh..explain this
one to me.............I have a neighbor who has a beretta bodied race car
with 350 runs high 9's goes thorugh 2 or 3 motors a year at about 8,000 a
piece. Has to run over 9,000 rpms to get these numbers, and a friend of
ours has a 78 street legal Fairmont with a 460 been racing 4 years
now..never blown a motor runs high 10's with an AUTOMATIC and hardly see
6,000 rpms except maybe in burnouts. Yes chevy is CHEAP built that way
also...build a FORD build it once and it cost alittle more than a
chevy...but you build a chevy motor and keep building itagain and again
and again......IMHO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

here's yur explanation
350- small block
460 -big block
9,000 rpm v. 6000rpm-both outrageously high for normally aspirated engine
and what the factory designed them for
78 street legal 460 running high 10s ---not in any state with vehicle
inspection codes or smog laws.
350 owner-more money than brains
460 owner- fella i'd pay close attention to. he's sharp.
350-460 don't matter. nothin last forever.

T-bird Terry

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 21:00:51 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: Re: ford v.chevy

At 04:33 PM 12/4/97 -0800, you wrote:
>
>now that's the spirit. i am familiar with yur analogy and you are correct
>sir. the proof is in the puddin' . on the other hand, if the 327 was
>pushing say 4 or 5 hundred hp and the 427 was stock 350 hp that could
>account for it also.
snip

Just for the sake of argument, it was my friends 427 Vette that got
whipped. It was a 425HP, Stock 427. My friends Vette was a stock 66 split
window. The other guy's Vette was a 68, I think, this was 10 years ago,
that was setup for pylon racing. All rubber bushings in the suspension had
been replaced with steel/rubber bushings. The engine came out of some other
car and was built to produce a lot of low and mid range torque.

anyway, for what ever that is worth, besides I am bored at the moment.

I wonder how the stock 427 Vette would do against a stock Boss 429 mustang,
in a quarter mile race? ( ford content, well I tried)

later



Keith Srb herbie netvalue.net
Mesa, AZ
1986 Ford Bronco II, 2.9L (I HATE LITERS) V-6, Mitsubishi 5-Speed.....


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