Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 03:50:19 -0600 (MDT)
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fordtrucks-digest Sunday, October 12 1997 Volume 01 : Number 020

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In this issue:

Re: Ford Red book ["Howard Tarnoff" ]
Engine??? ["Howard Tarnoff" ]
Motor Paint ["Howard Tarnoff" ]
Red Book Information [Ken Payne ]
ADMIN: For those with 61-79 trucks [Ken Payne ]
ADMIN: To everyone who has donated [Ken Payne ]
ADMIN: new Window Sticker design on web site [Ken Payne
ADMIN: Static Window Sticker Info [Ken Payne ]
Junkyards [billjhs ]
RE: electronic ignition ["Neal B. Forbes" ]
Re: ADMIN: For those with 61-79 trucks [JA2TN]
Tailgate ["Don & Teresa Neighbors" ]
Re: Engine??? [R Garber ]
6-cyl manifold [R Garber ]
Electronic Ignition [GEGK00A ( DAN LEE)]
Lets keep it clean. [Ken Payne ]
Last post was meant for another list [Ken Payne ]
Re: 6-cyl manifold [mick ]
visor help [mick ]



Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 08:31:46 -0400
From: "Howard Tarnoff"
Subject: Re: Ford Red book

I would like to know what the book is and how to get one.

Howard Tarnoff
9 Maple Tree Lane
Franklin MA 02038


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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 08:35:57 -0400
From: "Howard Tarnoff"
Subject: Engine???

I am really confused. (not unusual for me)

The gentlemen I bought my 55 F100 from swears up and down that the engine
is a "Lincoln Plant" Y-block 317 and that it is the one that has lived in
this truck since 55.

The engine code in the ID No. identifys the motor as a 239.

Does anyone know where to find the id on the engine block? Are there any
other tell tale signs to identify?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Howard Tarnoff


Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 08:37:31 -0400
From: "Howard Tarnoff"
Subject: Motor Paint

Someone is looking for motor paint. I have a can of Ford Yellow and it is
the orig tint. I know it is around someplace and will post the
manufacturer and other information from the label as soon as I can dig it

Stay tuned.



Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 09:48:59 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Red Book Information

Do not send requests for this book to me. Here is the contact
information forwarded from the 1961-1979 list:

"Brian & Jacque Milbrandt

For those of you who would like a copy of the Red Book..
I am going to guesstimate it should only cost $2.50 tops to mail it
out, and they'll probably charge me about .40 cents tax. for a grand
total of $9.85. there charge would be $11.93 if you dialed direct.
if you want me to get ya a copy here's my p.o. box

Brian Milbrandt
PO box 113
Forest Lake Mn. 55025


Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 09:50:26 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: For those with 61-79 trucks

I know some of you are probably getting sick of this but...

This message will appear periodically over the next month until our
new list information is updated on the various sites we're listed on.

For those who recently subscribed to this list:

This list is for discussion of 1960 and older Ford trucks. If you have
a 1961-1979 Ford truck please notify me via email (kpayne
and I'll switch you over to the appropriate list. Let me know if you
want the digest or live list. We recently split the 1979 and older
truck list into two groups.

fordtrucks became the 1960 and older truck list
fordtrucks61-79 is the 1961-1979 truck list

Please note that you may choose to remain on this list in addition
to being added to the 1961-1979 list.

We now return you to our regularly scheduled program....

- -Ken
FTU Admin


Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 12:01:59 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: To everyone who has donated

To everyone who has donated to Ford Truck Enthusiasts to keep us
going, either this time around or during the Spring/early Summer.

I promised a window sticker. I intend to keep that promise and
stickers will go out at the same time as people who specifically
ordered one.

I have tried to keep good records on who has donated but I'm
human so I may have missed one or two people.

If you've donated to us, please email me privately
(kpayne a notice letting me know (do not list your
donation amount). List your name and address. I shouldn't have to
say this but I will: this is on the honor system, be truthful
about it.



Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 12:04:34 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: new Window Sticker design on web site

Sorry to send yet another email but I forgot this:

The new design is on the web site,
You'll see the sticker link on the bottom of the page.


Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 11:54:52 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: Static Window Sticker Info

Here's the sticker information, I've been getting many requests for

Stickers are $3 each. I'll make about $1.28 (after postage) profit
each. Proceeds go towards web site and listserver fees.

"Stickers" have no glue, they use static cling and are designed for
windows. They'll work on both the inside and outside and will not
blow off (unless you put them on the front windshield and drive 90mph).

Design went to the printer yesterday. He looked at it, printed it out
on their special printer and said "truck graphic has to go because it
looks awful". The graphic had pixels showing up on the print-out.
Indeed, once printed, it did look awful. So we are using just text.
Sometime in the future we'll have a multi-colored sticker (and bumper
sticker too) with graphics, but not now.

Design is:
Tried, True And FORD Blue

Sticker is clear with white lettering. I had to ditch the Ford blue
color because they wanted an extra $20 to have a custom color
matched/mixed. They had 2 blue colors as "standard" colors but neither
came close.

To order send payment to:
Kenneth Payne
FTE, Sticker
P.O. 422
Lilburn, GA 30048

Give me up to 3 weeks to send them in case other priorities come up.
Most likely, shipping will begin Tuesday and proceed through next


Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 12:24:38 -0400
From: billjhs
Subject: Junkyards


DOes anyone know of good junkyards in NJ that have old cars and trucks.
I have checked most of them in Central NJ and haven't found a one with
trucks or cars older than 1975. Any help???

1951 F-1


Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 15:57:27 -0400
From: "Neal B. Forbes"
Subject: RE: electronic ignition

Rich--I know eveything is wired correctly, its just that the distributor
shaft is worn so badly. There is noticable wobble and the points don't
stay in adjustment too well. I am hopping up my motor and figure this is
the time to upgrade. To repair or replace is always the question...just
thought I would ask around. Neal


Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 20:05:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: JA2TN
Subject: Re: ADMIN: For those with 61-79 trucks

Please switch me to the 61-79 Ford truck list


Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 20:39:17 -0400
From: "Don & Teresa Neighbors"
Subject: Tailgate

I've been told that the F-250 bed on my '54 is wider than the F-100 bed,
and thus uses a different tailgate. Is this true? I ran into a fellow in
Indiana at the Mid-Fifties Party Party (Shoulda been there!) that has just
one to sell, so I need more info.



Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 18:44:56 -0500
From: R Garber
Subject: Re: Engine???

At 08:35 AM 10/11/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I am really confused. (not unusual for me)
>The gentlemen I bought my 55 F100 from swears up and down that the engine
>is a "Lincoln Plant" Y-block 317 and that it is the one that has lived in
>this truck since 55.
>The engine code in the ID No. identifys the motor as a 239.
>Does anyone know where to find the id on the engine block? Are there any
>other tell tale signs to identify?


>From the id number you can tell aprox. what mo. your truck was made. The
motor,head,intake, bellhousing, tarns. and rear are date stamped. these should
match. The above parts will have a date stamp aprox. 1 mo. before the build
My 54 was made in early july 54, The above componets were made june 54.
It's a 223-6, on the drivers side of the block at the front, above the oil
pan, below
the generator is the number 4 6 and then some sort of backwards c. these
numbers can be found on all major parts. 4=54 6=june. hope it helps.



Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 18:54:01 -0500
From: R Garber
Subject: 6-cyl manifold

HELP!!!, I sandblasted the intake today and found a crack on one of the
this is the 223-6. Can this be repaired? Or does someone have an extra? I
would rather repair it because the numbers match or I need one made in june 54.



Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 00:29:24, -0500
From: GEGK00A ( DAN LEE)
Subject: Electronic Ignition


I just installed a Mallory Unilite in my 351C. It was a snap to do. I
haven't fired it up yet, I've been wrestling with the linkage on the
Carter AFB sitting on an Edelbrock Performer. (Any more product plugs
and I'll ask for sponsorship.) I still have the stock coil for spark,
but I am considering a Mallory Hyfire. I worked on Y-blocks in the
late 50's. 3-2's and dual points was the best I could do.

Dan Lee
'53 F100 351C-4V


Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 00:56:11 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Lets keep it clean.

I do not moderate or edit (I've made it so I can't so I won't play
God) list activity. However, I'm going to climb up and preach for
just a minute....

Our home page has a logo on the bottom left hand corner which says
"We rated with RSAC." What this means is that I went to their
site, which is the largest information site for parents to use to
help monitor page content for their children.

I registered what type of content we had, what the language used was
and how "adult" the content is. I basically rated our site as "safe"
for children so parents would feel comfortable allowing their children
to visit our site. Nothing like getting the Ford bug to bite them
while their young!

Lets try to keep it clean and on the topics of Ford trucks. I'm not
one to criticize anyone's lifestyle but we all need to be aware of
who might be and who is on these lists. We have people on the lists
in their teens and early teens and from all walks of life. I have
filters set up to binaries (at least many of them) and I'd hate to
have to add additional filters.

The Internet is under a lot of pressure for censorship. I for one,
believe that the best way to allow **any** content on the Internet is
to give parents a way to monitor and censor their children. Without
this the government will receive pressure and will eventually step in.
If parents cannot rely on RSAC and similar sites for accurate
information then the sites are useless.

Finally, let me say this: I'm not picking on anyone nor am I judging
anyone, I just feel its best for everyone involved if we can target
the largest audience possible. I think most everyone here will
agree with me on this issue.

Climbing back down and wearing my asbestos suit. Comments welcome,
but I believe the issue needs to be moved off the list and into
private email.



Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 01:04:22 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Last post was meant for another list

Regarding the last post about keeping it clean:
That was not directed to this list. It was in
response to activity on the 61-79 list and I
sent it to the wrong address.

Now returning you to our regular program.


Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 04:57:50 -0400
From: mick
Subject: Re: 6-cyl manifold

I had one brazed back in the '50's - we heated the whole manifold in a
commercial oven, the brazed the flange and ground it smooth - it worked
fine. Mick


Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 05:07:39 -0400

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