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54 Texas License Plates
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Re: toyota steering
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Subject: Re: Subject: Got me a '55 too!
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 17:58:23 -0500
Mark wanted everyone to know,
I gotta share this news with the folks who will appreciate it. First off, I
have a '53 F-350 flatbed/ dually that I'm rebuilding....Today, I have a "55
F-250 sitting in my front driveway.
On my way to Hallet Motor Racing Circuit, I always slowed down and drooled
over this army green '56 dump truck. It was all original with the shortest
dump bed used. It didnt look any longer than the regular F-100 shortbed.
Chrome grill and the big V-8 emblem shining in the sun. For years it just
sat left over from the past on a guys farm. I thought that would be a great
usable project that would be still fun to drive. I now hear it is no longer
there, hopefully someone snagged it up, ressurected it, and put it to use.
Ahhhh...sometimes I just sits and thinks, and sometimes I just
sits.........Mark, I really appreciate you causing me to remember all of
these repressed memories from my recent past. Now I am going to have to go
buy something as therapy for my depression. Good thing the Pate swap meet is
I have a toyota steering box in the garage that I am going to install in Old Smokey. I believe it is from a "84 4X4 toyota. Their are several years that work, but it needs to be from a 4 wheel drive. Look for the box with the side mount arm like your truck has. Checked the dimensions that you gave and it appears that your dimensions are correct for the four holes.
I would be interested in a copy of the diagram that shows how to build the mounting bracket. This is a low budget operation, and I am trying to build or scrounge as much as I can without spending bushels for aftermarket stuff.
You can e-mail at: jasper interkan.net
I hope to have the truck up and running by the end of the month. Still need to redo the body stuff, but that will come next winter.
I just went to the junk yard this afternoon. I got a gear box off an earlier 84 model Toyota.
I talked to a guy at Bob's Ford parts. They sell the kit or just the bracket. He said you need a '79 to earlier '84 Toyota 4x4 truck gear box. I guess things changed mid-year. Also, there is some grind to do. It is very obvious once you have it in hand.
I found someone back in November who made the bracket himself. Thanx Dave!! He sent me all the details, including drawing. His e-mail is LuvMyEffie aol.com . The posting was 11/29/99 pre61-list-digest V3 #340 if this site has archives. If you can't get in touch with him, drop me a line and I'll locate what you need. I had a friend build it for me one night. Saved me $75.
Hopefully I'll be putting this and my 429 frame mount in this weekend.
Would some one out there tell me what year the Toyota steering box,that is
used to convert the older Fords to power steering,is.
I have a diagram of the bracket to mount the box in the frame and it shows
the holes that mount the box to the bracket are 1,1/32 in apart.I can find
no Toyota box that fit the specs.on my diagram.The parts stores show 3
different box's for the years of 83 to 89 and show no power gears before
1983.The diagram shows 4 holes that are in a rectangular shape and spaced
1&1/32 by 3&9/64.
Boy I hope some one can help.
>Andy Montebello dialnet.net>
> > I'm looking for a recommendation for a replacement steering gear for my
> 1950 Ford Pickup. I have rebuilt the front end, but still have a wander
> sure it is the box. I don't need power steering and I won't be converting
> to IFS so what is available?
and he asked about adjusting the original. Here's the procedure in the
49-52 manual - if it's not exactly the same for 53-56, it's close:
1. disconnect the drag link from the pitman arm.
2. Loosen the steering column tube to instrument panel bracket.
3. Back the side (sector) adjustment out (counterclockwise) to remove any
load. (That's "the bolt on the side of the gear box" )
4. Measure the force needed to rotate the wheel at the center of it's
This is kinda the hard part. Ford must have had a spring scale, like a fish
scale, which read in ounces. 'The force needed to rotate the wheel at the
center of it's rotation' should be 1/4 to 3/4 pound on F1, F2, and F3, 1/2 to
1 lb on all others. I used a postal scale to measure the weight of some
sockets, then put them in a mesh bag my wife (used to) use for washing
'delicates,' then ran it's tie sting from the top of the steering wheel off
to the side, then over a socket extension straight down. I think this
translates into the force needed to turn the wheel. I also measured quarters
($0.25 pieces) to see what they weighed, if you don't have a scale. 1/4
pound (4 ounces) is ~16 quarters, 3/4 pound (12 ounces) is therefore ~48
quarters. You take it from there. If this measurement isn't right, you need
to change the stack of shims under the steering shaft at the bottom of the
gearbox. The shims are actually gaskets of varying thicknesses, and a
selection is available from most of our common suppliers. However, to
tighten the existing preload, you'll just be removing shims, so if you remove
the bottom plate carefully, you can reuse the ones you have. This is a messy
and iterative process. You need to have some gear lube in the box to
accurately measure the turning force, then you need to remove the bottom
plate to change shims, which dribbles gear lube all over.
Once this is in spec, center the wheel. Then, turn the 'sector shaft
thrust adjusting screw' (side adjuster) until 'all end play is removed from
the sector shaft.' Then the force needed to rotate the wheel at the center
of it's rotation should measure between 1 and 2 pounds on the F1, F2, and F3,
and 1 1/2 and 2 1/2 pounds on other models.
I have found that when the gears are too worn, tightening the sector shaft
adjusting screw too much jams the sector against the housing, which of course
makes the wheel harder to turn, but doesn't reduce the free play or have the
intended affect on steering accuracy. Then there's nothing left to do but
replace the steering shaft (worm) and sector, or the whole box. Other things
that wear out are the roller bearings on top and below the worm on the
steering shaft, the bushings on the outside of the sector, and the seal
on the outside of the sector. If you're going to the expense (considerable)
of replacing the worm and sector, its probably worth replacing at least the
bearings and the seal. The bushings must require reaming to size, but I've
never messed with those, so can't give practical advice.
There you have it, almost straight from Ol' Henry. Simple, huh?
here're the names of a couple of guys who make the swap meet rounds.
I bought a set for my 59 F100 last month at Del-Mar Stadium in Houston.
the application process is pretty easy, but takes a little time.
I should have my windshield sticker next wednesday.
2218 St. Anthony
San Antonio, TX 78210
Hm. 210 532 7456
Pager 210 513 2799
1006 Center St.
Lockhart, TX 78644
512 398 7226
I bought mine from Jesse Perez. he seemed to have a better selection of used
plates and better prices. there was one other vendor there that I didn't get
a card from when they offered me a set of "unissued plates" at a premium
price that had obviously been repainted and had little dimples around the
mounting holes etc.
hope this helps,
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:pre61-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Winford Rister
> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 8:48 PM
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> Subject: [pre61-list] 54 Texas License Plates
> I am looking for a set of 54 Texas license plates for my 54 F100.
> Hope to apply for the title/registration this summer.
> ebay presently does not list any for that year.
> Thanks for any info.
> Winford Rister
> McKinney Texas
> 54F100(in progress)
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Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 09:58:16 -0400
From: Fred Hooper concentric.net>
Subject: Re: toyota steering
along this same conversion line... I found the hoses to be a lot more expensive than what I expected. I tried to find couplings and hoses that I could assemble, without success. The Toyota box uses two different fittings, and in my case I needed to fit a GM power steering pump. After two months of carrying the parts around to auto supply stores , even had the Toyota parts
department involved, I gave up and bought the hoses from Mid-fifty... around $100. bucks. The good news is it works great.
> I have a toyota steering box in the garage that I am going to install in Old Smokey. I believe it is from a "84 4X4 toyota. Their are several years that work, but it needs to be from a 4 wheel drive.
I've been looking for an original bench seat for my 1959 F100 without a lot
57-60 parts aren't real abundant in my neck of the woods.
apparently one of my truck's previous owners thought these gray cloth
captain's chairs were a cool set-up, but I only find them uncomfortable.
would anyone on the list have or know of someone who might have an original
seat they'd be willing to part with? mainly I'm just looking for a
rebuildable frame so the condition of any upholstery is irrelevant. I'm
located in Houston, Tx so finding something within driving range would be a
plus. otherwise I reckon I'd have to weigh whether or not shipping costs
would make the cost too prohibitive for my limited funds. and while I'm
asking, I might as well see if anyone might have a spare door access panel.
Mark, in my area IN, we have lots of truck parts places that sell
"take-offs", new wheels , tires, seats and other parts that came
from new trucks that went to Upfitters and they changed all these
pcs to nicer ones. Seats run $200 or more, yet are new.
I'm not familiar with your vintage, but I have found seats were
quite wide even in those older cabs. Ford seats have used similar
mounting hardware and frames for ever. I think any 70's or 80's
seat should still mount in your truck. Chevy always had that darn
metal riser or floor "bump-up" to reach seat. You would need to
make or find spacer for them, until you get into newer 88' and up.
Most of time backs on new seats are too tall and lean more and
won't allow you to push seat back far enough, too close to wheel
and pedals. Good Luck, "G"
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Subject: [pre61-list] Re: Isuzu tank
<< From: BOBWOOD536 aol.com
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 17:36:02 EDT
Subject: Isuzu gas tank
For those of you interested. I found the Custom Classic Trucks article on
installing a Isuzu tank. I"ve scanned it, if you want a copy Email me. It
10 pictures and is two pages long.
60 F100 >>
I remember seeing an article years ago. I would like a copy as well
But: is this legal?
Glenn in TN
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