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pre61-list Digest Mon, 27 Mar 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 038

In This Issue:
My new '49
Re: which oil?
Re: shop manuals
Re: Flathead fuel pump
Re: which engine oil?
Headlight problem
Re: 50's 15" rims
Hard to start - won't stay running
292 engine oil capacity
PerTronix Ignitor
Re: which engine oil?
Re: PerTronix Ignitor
Re: Electronic Ignitions
Licence Plates
Re: 292 engine oil capacity
Petronics module!
ADMIN: Mail storage
Re: 50's 15" rims
Re: wont run? Solenoid check
Ready to paint question & other questions?

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Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 23:28:17 -0800
From: Tulio jps.net>
Subject: My new '49

Ed,

It definately was a trip that I will not forget. It is the same truck
that was on Excite. I found it to be the most complete (including
radio) '48 - '50 truck below $1,000 on the market at this time. I hear
of all the great deals after I usually make a purchase... but, I feel
the $550 I paid for the project will be well worth it.

I have already taken the carb completely apart, cleaned it thoroughly
and reassembled. Then I took the entire front end off. Fenders,
bumper, grill guard, grill etc. I was supposed to take my time... to
leave it alone until I rebuild my jeep engine and transmission then
rebuild my '60 engine... but.... I got an itch to make some progress on
it today. The rest of the week I will have to leave it alone and build
a fence and other work on the property then pull out the jeep engine and
after that the '60.... then I can get back to 'Wallace' as my wife calls
the '49. Life is a tad busy at this time... no need for more projects!


> Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 08:37:19 -0800 (PST)
> From: Ed Ellston yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: My new '49
>
> Great adventure there Tulio. Is that the truck that
> has been for sale for a long time on Excite? I'm glad
> you have a 49 too.
>
> Ed and the 49 Effie
>

--
Tulio Solorzano
'60 F-100 Custom Cab
'79 HD Sportster

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From: BOBWOOD536 aol.com
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 04:16:01 EST
Subject: Re: which oil?

Ray,
I read a article a couple of years ago about oil in flat heads.The authors of
the article said not to use detergent oil in used flat heads, because they
had all these nice little holes in the cranks that dirt and metal particle
collected in. And the use of a detergent oil would actual pull the stuff out
and it would then get into your bearings with the usual results. Plus the
seals would usually leak worst after the new oil had removed the glazing that
builds up on them over the years. I haven't seen the Vavoline oil so I don't
know if it would do this. Hope ;this helps.
Bob Wood

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From: Rwilson50 aol.com
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 08:02:20 EST
Subject: Re: shop manuals

Sorry Mike, first come/first serve deal. a fellow in Norway asked first
and his resources are probably more limited than ours.

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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 08:53:25 -0500
From: "Thomas J. Teixeira" world.std.com>
Subject: Re: Flathead fuel pump

At 10:01 PM 03/26/2000 -0500, Edward Sedgwick wrote:
>If you go to an
>electrical pump, you either have to leave the mechanical fuel pump in
>place, because the bushing in the block that guides the rod connects
>to an oil passage, or find a way to plug the top of the bushing. You
>used to be able to buy an aluminum cover for the fuel pump opening that
>held a rod down into the bushing.

Everything that I've read says that on the older (before 1949) engines you
need to leave the fuel pump push rod in or plug the opening, but on the
later 8BA/8RT engines you don't. I haven't tried this myself since I still
use the mechanical fuel pump. Nearly all of the Flathead suppliers sill the
fuel pump covers. Keep the push rod in place explains a couple engines I've
seen that have the fuel pump stand and a block off plate over the fuel pump
opening as opposed to a block off plate right on the manifold.

Tom Teixeira '35 pickup http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://world.std.com/~tjt/35Pickup.html


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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 08:56:50 -0500
From: "Thomas J. Teixeira" world.std.com>
Subject: Re: which engine oil?

At 09:38 PM 03/26/2000 -0800, Ray Cardogno wrote:
>I just changed the oil on my 48 with Valvolene oil formulated for older
>engines. It is a heavy duty oil with extra detergents and has friction
>additives and seal conditioners. Does anybody know any reason I should NOT
>use this oil? What do folks use in their old flatheads?

I've been using variously 10W40, 15W40 and 20W50. The only concern I would
have about 'extra detergents' is that if you're engine has not been
recently overhauled, the detergent could loosen some crud that will get
stuck somewhere else and cause problems. But on a recent rebuild, I'm not
sure that extra detergents would be needed, even if you don't have an oild
filter on your engine (I would change the oil more often though if there
were no oil filter). Then again, if the detergents keep the dirt in
suspension instead of settling out, it could be even more important with no
filter.

Anyone else have some information?

Tom Teixeira '35 pickup http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://world.std.com/~tjt/35Pickup.html


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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:31:43 -0500
From: "Paul J. Donadio" maristb.marist.edu>
Subject: Headlight problem

Fellow list members,

I am having a problem with the quad headlights on my '59 F-100. The nature
of the problem is that it is either "high beams or no beams." In the low
beam mode, I have no headlights. In the high beam mode all four headlights
function. I have replaced all four headlights as well as the dimmer
switch, but to no avail. Can anyone on the list suggest how to
diagnose/correct the situation. Your help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Paul

'59 F-100 Custom Cab


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From: Tom Verna chordiant.com>
Subject: Re: 50's 15" rims
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 08:50:16 -0800

I have three stock 15" Ford truck rims that are in excellent condition.
These are off my 56 F-100 and have 5 on 5-1/2" lug spacing.

If anyone is interested in purchasing them, they are $10 each plus shipping.
I am in Northern California, close to San Jose. If you're in the area, we
can arrange a hand-off. E-mail me off-list for details.

Tom Verna
tom.verna chordiant.com

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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 12:11:51 -0700
From: "Janet Herron" dps.state.ut.us>
Subject: Hard to start - won't stay running

Ed,
I own a 48 F-6 firetruck and when I bought her I noticed a lot of "stuff" in the fuel tank floating around (rust, flakes and etc.). The guy I bought her from had put an inline fuel filter in, obviously he knew about the fuel tank being all rusty and etc. and he said he had had problems with the truck running prior to putting the inline filter in. So what I did, was have the tank pulled, cleaned and refinished on the inside to prevent this from happening. I think it cost me about $125 but it has saved me two and a half tons of stress! I will be changing the inline filter next weekend, or maybe sometime this week, and it will be the first time in a year. The peace of mind has been well worth the investment. Just my .02 worth!
Janet
proud owner of Blazin'48

From: Fordf3 aol.com
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 21:29:16 EST
Subject: Re: Hard to start - won't stay running........

I have a 48 f-3 and I had a problem with sludge and rust in fuel tank.The
fuel comes directly off the bottom of the tank.i took out the tank fitting
and put a 1"piece of copper in it to raise it off the bottom.I also use a
fuel filter i cut into the fuel line ahead of the fuel pump.i have to change
the filter often but it runs well
Ed


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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 12:19:12 -0700
From: "Janet Herron" dps.state.ut.us>
Subject: 292 engine oil capacity

Nick,
My 48 F-6 firetruck has a 55 Y block OHV V8 292 and I use 6 quarts of Valvoline 10/30.
Janet
proud owner of Blazin'48

From: NACatin aol.com
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 23:43:14 EST
Subject: Re: pre61-list digest 292 Engine Oil

What is the oil capacity of a 58 292? Many thanks
Nick


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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:35:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Dennis Moody yahoo.com>
Subject: PerTronix Ignitor

I heard several people mention using a Pertronix
distributor on their flatheads. Does the company make
a unit for the stock distributor, or do you have to
replace the stock unit with a new distributor and
Pertonix unit?

Any comments on the performance of the Pertronix unit?

Thanks,

Dennis Moody
'51 F-1

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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 14:22:47 -0500
From: 47Fred Prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: which engine oil?


> >I just changed the oil on my 48 with Valvolene oil formulated for older
> >engines. It is a heavy duty oil with extra detergents and has friction
> >additives and seal conditioners. Does anybody know any reason I should NOT
> >use this oil? What do folks use in their old flatheads?

>The only concern I would have about 'extra detergents' is that if you're >engine has not beenrecently overhauled, the detergent could loosen some >crud that will get stuck somewhere else and cause problems.

You'd think that after 100 years of automobiles, such a mundane thing
as oil would be so well understood as to be boilerplate, not so we see.
Another curse to colorful packages and brand marketing. Snake oil be
canned.

All modern oils, even "non-detergent" has some level of cleaning
ability incorporated into the formulation. Mineral oil use is "an old
mechanic told me" legend crap.
The more "detergent" in a oil, the less oil is in it.
The greater the viscosity range, the less oil and more delicate the
structure. (20W-50 is not as "good" as 10W-30)
True synthetic oil is less prone to degeneration than "natural oil",
and will usually, all things being equal, give more power and better
economy.
Unless you run a cleaner or kerosene in a motor, or are extremely
unfortunate (people do win the lottery), modern motor oil will not hurt
a motor that wasn't hurt already, dirty ones included.
A rebuilt motor, properly cleaned, on new oil, will run longer and
better than the original engine, which probably burned oil at 30,000
miles.
A stright grade oil has more lubricating ability than multi grade,
and there is no reason to run multi grade in a most toy trucks, unless
the toy is used year around. In this case the improved oil flow in cold
weather will offset the wear which otherwise may occur.

I use 10W-30 or 20W-40 or 30W only in my "new" old cars. I use 40W in
the Mustang "race" car, I use true sythetic 10W or 5W-30 in the "good"
new car, and change it once a year. None of 'em blown up yet.

47Fred

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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:40:03 -0800
From: "Aaron Lasky" emapUSA.com>
Subject: Re: PerTronix Ignitor

You can use the stock distributor, and the Pertronix unit runs under $100. Drop by their site at www.pertronix.com for more info. I plan on putting one on my '56 F100, since it worked great on my '64 Coupe deVille.

Aaron

>>> Dennis Moody yahoo.com> 3/27/00 11:35:08 AM >>>
I heard several people mention using a Pertronix
distributor on their flatheads. Does the company make
a unit for the stock distributor, or do you have to
replace the stock unit with a new distributor and
Pertonix unit?

Any comments on the performance of the Pertronix unit?

Thanks,

Dennis Moody
'51 F-1

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From: flat-head juno.com
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 14:35:12 -0700
Subject: Re: Electronic Ignitions

Pertronics won't touch a 6volt system. I called them when I did my '49
F-3 and they told me to call Remund Ignition in California. Mickey Remund
is an old Ford guy and an official dealer for pertronics. I'm still using
the first working prototype in my truck - 4 years later. Mickey can
answer any questions in both "Mechanic geek" (everyone else) and
"Electrinics geek" (Me). It's nice to troubleshoot knowing for sure you
have a hot blue spark every time - one less thing to diagnose.
Mickey's number is (619) 460-3620 or 7920 for FAX. You'll thank yourself.

Mike Wright
Salt Lake City

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Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 13:50:59 -0600
From: "Jon F. Grossardt" luminet.net>
Subject: Electronic Ignitions

I know that there has been discussion in the past regarding electronic
ignitions for the old engines. Has there been anything new crop up or are
Mallory and PerTronix about the only ones on the market? I'm looking for
one for a 6V '47 1 1/2 ton truck.

Thanks.

Jon G.


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From: "Thomas Kurzawski" durag.com>
Subject: Licence Plates
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 18:05:36 -0600

Hello everybody,
A few weeks ago I put the word out that I need 2 (two) 1959 Licence Plates.
In my excitment I forgot to state that I need them for the state of
Minnesota.
I still need the plates.
Thanks for all your help

Thomas K.


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From: NACatin aol.com
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 19:39:54 EST
Subject: Re: 292 engine oil capacity

Janet
Many thanks,
Nick

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From: FiftySevenF100 aol.com
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 20:36:04 EST
Subject: Petronics module!

<< Subject: Electronic Ignitions

I know that there has been discussion in the past regarding electronic
ignitions for the old engines. Has there been anything new crop up or are
Mallory and PerTronix about the only ones on the market? I'm looking for one
for a 6V '47 1 1/2 ton truck.

Thanks.

Jon G. >>

The May 2000 issue of Classic Trucks magazine has an article on the
installation of the Petronics module on a 289 in an F-1. My question is --
didn't the Big3 automakers have to go to the large diameter distributors to
keep the high voltage from jumping inside the cap? The one installed in this
article is using a 40,000 volt coil and 8 mm wires. Should this be a concern?

Glenn in TN

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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 21:23:28 -0500
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: ADMIN: Mail storage

Many of the people with ford-trucks.com or ford-trucks.net accounts
are either not checking their mail or in the case of ".com" addresses,
not having their mail software delete the messages after retrieval.

This situation is getting out of control, with half the mail queue
space being taken up by mail 3-9 weeks old. This weekend, I will be
installing software that will delete all mail over 3 weeks old. FTE
is not meant for online storage of mail.


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From: NACatinaol.com
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 21:56:23 EST
Subject: Re: 50's 15" rims

Tom
I have a 52 F4. Would these beauties fit on mine? And what would you think
shipping would cost to CT 06405? Many thanks.
Nick

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From: STUDJAMESaol.com
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:47:18 EST
Subject: Re: wont run? Solenoid check

Dont forget to check and change out the solenoid. If it's 6v, and you're
running 12v system it will get hot and shut down until cooled. Took me a
couple of cooling off periods (literally) before I thought to check it. Good
Luck, Jim
<<
I have a similar problem with hard starting with my 49
F-1. I think it may be electrical because I have no
spark at the plugs. I intend to replace the coil and
the coil wire to see if that helps.
>>

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From: LSTYR88aol.com
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 00:47:27 EST
Subject: Ready to paint question & other questions?

Hi everybody

In the next couple of weeks, I plan on painting my 55 F100. My question is,
the outside vent, that you pull open from the inside, does it need to be the
same color as the rest of the truck or just flat or gloss black? Also, does
anyone have a tail light license plate bracket, what I'm talking about is,
where originally the license plate was under the left tail light? One more
question, about this license plate question another list member brought up, I
would like to get an Alabama 1955 tag for my front bumper, if anyone knows of
one, please let me know.

Thanks
Jason Maples
Alabama
55 F100

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