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perf-list Digest Thu, 15 Mar 2001 Volume: 2001  Issue: 037

In This Issue:
Re: 460
Re: 460
Re: 460
Re: 460
Re: Fuel Pump Fraustration

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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:45:28 EST
Subject: Re: 460

It all depends on what kinda monster you want.  The stock 240 hp 460 in my
F-350 would still pull anything, And out gunned an EFI 460 and a V-10 on a
fishing trip to Utah.  If you wanna run pump gas, Id go for a 72 or newer 460
and do a basic rebuild, but run a mild cam, such as a comp 268 or equivalent.
Set the timing straight up.  The stock 4 barrel intake is fine for this
application, but Id use a 1 inch spacer plate and a minimum of a 650 cfm
Carb.  On the exhaust side of things, Im very happy with my single 3''
flowmaster setup, but with the new motor will be switching to dual  3'' pipes
and headers.  If your lookin to make Camaros quiver, get a 70 or older 460, a
nice mid-range cam, port the heads, weiand stealth intake, holley 750,
headers, 3inch exhaust with a balance tube, and a stall converter.  ITs all
about $$ and application.  If I were you, Id just go mild.  The wild stuff Im
doin is just cuz Im crazy enough to think that the 500 hp motor Im buildin
still wont be enough, but is better than nothing.....

Darrell & Tweety



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Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 19:55:16 -0700
From: "William (Tony) Whited" <f10074 ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: 460


I want something that will pull the trailer like it's not there!  I have plenty
of time to build it,  I don't want to spend too much, but on the same token I do
not want to be like damn I could have build it better with just a little more
effort or money.

JUMPINFORD aol.com wrote:

> It all depends on what kinda monster you want.  The stock 240 hp 460 in my
> F-350 would still pull anything, And out gunned an EFI 460 and a V-10 on a
> fishing trip to Utah.  If you wanna run pump gas, Id go for a 72 or newer 460
> and do a basic rebuild, but run a mild cam, such as a comp 268 or equivalent.
>  Set the timing straight up.  The stock 4 barrel intake is fine for this
> application, but Id use a 1 inch spacer plate and a minimum of a 650 cfm
> Carb.  On the exhaust side of things, Im very happy with my single 3''
> flowmaster setup, but with the new motor will be switching to dual  3'' pipes
> and headers.  If your lookin to make Camaros quiver, get a 70 or older 460, a
> nice mid-range cam, port the heads, weiand stealth intake, holley 750,
> headers, 3inch exhaust with a balance tube, and a stall converter.  ITs all
> about $$ and application.  If I were you, Id just go mild.  The wild stuff Im
> doin is just cuz Im crazy enough to think that the 500 hp motor Im buildin
> still wont be enough, but is better than nothing.....
>
> Darrell & Tweety

--
William (Tony) Whited
74 F350 Ranger XLT Super Camper Special 460
77 F150 Custom 460
El Paso, TX
Semper Fi



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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 22:13:09 EST
Subject: Re: 460

What kinda trailer?  On our fishing trip, I was towing our homemade camper,
which is a ford F-100 bed with a flip open campershell on it.  Now Seeings
how a bed and camper shell are somewhat molded to git around the cab, Its not
exactly aerodynamic.  I refer to it as the dragchutte.  With a 2 4wheelers,
all our gear, and the rest of the space takin up with pallats stacked and
stuffed anywhere they could go, I still managed 10 mpg, I could climb all the
hills at 80 without opening the secondaries, and when the opportunity came up
for me to pass a couple of rigs that had been driving side by side at 55 for
about 20 min, It picked right up to 110 to pass em.  In case your wondering
why I felt I needed more, when Im out 4 wheelin, the engine I had suffered
from top end power.  It just kinda fell on its face when you were REALLY
workin it.  Im thinkin the new motor should solve most of my problems.  So
far I think its gonna cost me about $2400.  Keep in mind that this includes
ALL new parts.  The only thing being reused are my accesories and their
brackets.  The long block came from the machinist, as did all the internal
parts.  The intake and carb from list members (again thanks guys) new
flywheel (so it could all be balanced), all the bolts (about 150 worth,
headbolts are even more expensive than a stud kit, guess what I chose) and
headers from summit (although I've yet to actually order em) Im sure the
costs will go up, but I doubt they will hit the $3000 mark.  Had I used all
my existing parts, and just done a decent rebuild on my old motor, I have no
doubts I could have gotten about 300 hp for around $1500.  the biggest trick
to it all is become your machinist friend.  Make him as excited as you are to
do the build.  My machinist is a Chevy man, and he cant wait to go for a
ride.  And I've also done a few favors.  Having access to a pump truck, I did
his septic tank free of charge.  I bring him a 6 pack every once in awhile
and shoot the breeze.  because of all this, hes been helpin me with this
motor knowing I pay him what I can, when I can.  I've taken him stuff to do
for work, that Id be more than happy to pay for due to its my companies
stuff, and its got more money than me, but he wont charge me.  Not one cent.
My dad was shocked when they wouldnt take any money after turning my F-600
drums, even keepin the shop open an extra hour to do so.  That got em a 12
pack that night :)

I hope I've givin ya some ideas, now wheres 385 Guru Sleddog with his advice?

Darrell & Tweety



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From: Bogginf350 aol.com
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 22:54:43 EST
Subject: Re: 460

Look for a 68 to 71 casting. C8ve C9ve or Dove. these motors not only have
better cylinder heads to produce more compression. they also have shorter
deck heights, .027in. Along with thicker cyl. walls and more webbing on the
main bearing area. Which basicly makes for a stronger lower end and
prevention of main bearings "walking" at upper rpms. A "dove" motor
remanufactured will make approx. 10.5 to 1 compression. very streetable. most
ford motors are capable of 11.1 on 93 with some chamber smoothing to prevent
hot spots and detonation. Also there are some differences in the cylinder
head ports on the older motors. the pockets on the exhaust side are more
restritive on the 72 to 78 style castings. Which we all know the bb fords
suffer on the exhaust side. I got over 360 cfm on my intake ports with a 2.19
diameter valve at .700 lift while I only had 220cfm on the exhaust at .500.
with a 1.76 valve. shoot for an older casting if you can get it. And if
needed get a newer block and pick up a set of older heads with the screw in
studs. Thats another point, the newer heads have non adjustable positive stop
style rockers. Not very suitable for aftermarket cams. While the older
castings run the screw in studs which are easlily replaceable and upgradeable
to the 7/16 stud and guideplates. etc... any other questions on the 385
series let me know.

thanks,
   josh davis
88 ford ranger 4x4 522ci 13:1 bb ford  powered   hehe



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Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 22:20:29 -0800
From: Dan Laray <dlaray earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Fuel Pump Fraustration


First thing I would try is to swap the arms.
Dan

"O'Connell, Dennis M" wrote:

> I think I found the problem with the Holley pump.  The actuator arm is a
> different shape than stock.  This results in the Holley pump having a arm
> that is 7/16 inch lower than stock.


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Serious performance help for your Ford!
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-How to Install and Use Nitrous Oxide
-Step-By-Step Guide To Engine Blueprinting
-Performance Modifying Ford Trucks
-Super Tuning and Modifying Holley Carburetors
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