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perf-list Digest Tue, 14 Nov 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 171

In This Issue:
Re: Tranny fluid filter
(Slightly) modified 302
Re: (Slightly) modified 302
Re: (Slightly) modified 302
ADMIN: Magnafine Filters

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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 06:49:25 -0800 (PST)
From: shane san miguel <v8pinto yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Tranny fluid filter

I bought one of those remote tranny filter mounts the other day.
Anybody ever hook one of these up?  I'm running a 5.0 with C4 in a 1955
F100

THanks!

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From: "N. R. Armstrong" <sundvl76 hotmail.com>
Subject: (Slightly) modified 302
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 11:22:50 MST

Ok, this isn't technically a truck, but it is a vintage Ford, so I hope no
one minds my asking this collection of experts for their opinion. (Besides,
y'all are smarter than those guys on the 'stang boards. . .)

I've wrenched for a lot of years, but always totally stock machinery. I have
done a little "tinkering" with my '68 Mustang, as follows: Rebuilt original
302 with hyperutectic flat-top pistons (per original design) which should
give me a 10.5:1 CR according to the Shop Manual(no, I didn't cc the heads,
so I don't know exactly what the CR is), and balanced rotating assembly.
Edelbrock performer cam which has .448/.472 lift, 204/214 duration,
Edelbrock Performer RPM intake, stock heads, Edelbrock 650 CFM carb, K&N
filter. The distributor is a stock-design unit from Accel with a Pertronix.
At idle, advance is set at 10 degrees w/vacuum disconnected, of course.
Total advance 32 degrees, all in by 2100-2200 RPM. The exhaust consists of
hi-po cast iron "headers" and custom 2-1/4" duals through 3-chamber
Flowmasters.

The engine seems to run well overall, has crisp throttle response and good
seat-of-the-pants power over 2000 RPM, (although I'm disappointed it won't
chirp the 60-series tires when the C-4 hits second). The biggest complaint
is the idle, which I've set to about 900 rpm in Drive. It seems rougher than
I would have expected from a fairly mild cam, and I can't tell if its the
cam or something else causing the roughness. There are no vacuum leaks that
I can find, and I've checked pretty thoroughly. Idle mix has been set per
Edelbrock's recommendation.

Would you think that a .448/.472 lift, 204/214 duration cam would need
something other than a stock torque converter and thus a higher idle
setting?

Is the total advance where it should be? No detonation on 93 octane pump
gas.

Any other ideas? Possibly a mis-match of the cam vs. CR? Other than better
heads (or porting the existing ones), have I missed any good ideas for
street performance?

TIA for any response.

Neal

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From: Kevin Kemmerer <kevkem epix.net>
Subject: Re: (Slightly) modified 302
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 13:53:22 -0500

That's a fairly small cam, so I wouldn't expect an idle problem from that
end.  It's not much help, but the first place I would look is the vacuum
advance.  Is it advancing the idle or making the timing erratic at idle.  I
would think you would have noticed this, when you set initial timing with
the vacuum disconnected though.

Adjusting idle mixture may smooth it out.  Edelbroke can't give you perfect
settings for every engine combination.  Does it smooth out if you back the
timing off?  I would look there too.  Less initial, and then make up for it
with the advance curve.  Remember, with a small cam, you are not letting
the compression bleed off at lower rpms, and idle.  With that much
compression, there may be some minor preignition at idle.  This would make
it idle rough.

Just some random ramblings.

Kevin

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From: N. R. Armstrong[SMTP:sundvl76 hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 1:22 PM
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [perf-list] (Slightly) modified 302

Ok, this isn't technically a truck, but it is a vintage Ford, so I hope no
one minds my asking this collection of experts for their opinion. (Besides,
y'all are smarter than those guys on the 'stang boards. . .)

I've wrenched for a lot of years, but always totally stock machinery. I
have
done a little "tinkering" with my '68 Mustang, as follows: Rebuilt original
302 with hyperutectic flat-top pistons (per original design) which should
give me a 10.5:1 CR according to the Shop Manual(no, I didn't cc the heads,
so I don't know exactly what the CR is), and balanced rotating assembly.
Edelbrock performer cam which has .448/.472 lift, 204/214 duration,
Edelbrock Performer RPM intake, stock heads, Edelbrock 650 CFM carb, K&N
filter. The distributor is a stock-design unit from Accel with a Pertronix.
At idle, advance is set at 10 degrees w/vacuum disconnected, of course.
Total advance 32 degrees, all in by 2100-2200 RPM. The exhaust consists of
hi-po cast iron "headers" and custom 2-1/4" duals through 3-chamber
Flowmasters.

The engine seems to run well overall, has crisp throttle response and good
seat-of-the-pants power over 2000 RPM, (although I'm disappointed it won't
chirp the 60-series tires when the C-4 hits second). The biggest complaint
is the idle, which I've set to about 900 rpm in Drive. It seems rougher
than
I would have expected from a fairly mild cam, and I can't tell if its the
cam or something else causing the roughness. There are no vacuum leaks that
I can find, and I've checked pretty thoroughly. Idle mix has been set per
Edelbrock's recommendation.

Would you think that a .448/.472 lift, 204/214 duration cam would need
something other than a stock torque converter and thus a higher idle
setting?

Is the total advance where it should be? No detonation on 93 octane pump
gas.

Any other ideas? Possibly a mis-match of the cam vs. CR? Other than better
heads (or porting the existing ones), have I missed any good ideas for
street performance?

TIA for any response.

Neal

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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 15:52:16 -0800 (PST)
From: shane san miguel <v8pinto yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: (Slightly) modified 302

> Edelbrock performer cam which has .448/.472 lift, 204/214 duration,
> Edelbrock Performer RPM intake, stock heads, Edelbrock 650 CFM carb,
> At idle, advance is set at 10 degrees w/vacuum disconnected, of
> course.


The only thing I didn't see in your post was what your vaccuum reading
is at idle.  I think, if it is less than 17", I know what your problem
COULD be.  I am guessing that your vaccuum reading at idle is around
12"-15" and it probably won't idle well?

Did you buy the carb new or is it used?  If it's brand new out of the
box, did you notice the pink flyer that says to check the vaccuum port
on the back of the carb?  They include a black, hex plug that fits in
there.  It's about 3/8".

I am asking because I went through the same thing.  I assembled an
early 289 with higher compression, gear drive, edelbrock edelbrock
edelbrock, all the goodies.  It ran EXACTLY as you described.  I
stressed over it for two days until I decided to go through the packing
and saw the 'bright pink' flyer....

Hope this helps!  It fixed my problem immediately.

Shane
55 F100 5.0
15.51 87
289 Pinto

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Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 11:34:46 -0500
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: ADMIN: Magnafine Filters

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