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perf-list Digest Tue, 07 Nov 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 169

In This Issue:
Re: 460 destroys the drive train  :-)
Re: 460 destroys the drive train  :-)
ADMIN: Please visit the FTE home page
Re: 351M to 429
To 385 from 335 swap
Re: 351M to 429
Re: 351M to 429
Re: 351M to 429
Re: 351M to 429
ADMIN: 2001 Lightning

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From: Kevin Kemmerer <kevkem epix.net>
Subject: Re: 460 destroys the drive train  :-)
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 00:10:24 -0500

You must mean the 4V Cleveland heads.  The 400/351 heads are Cleveland heads.

Kevin

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From: Bogginf350 aol.com[SMTP:Bogginf350 aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 11:58 PM
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [perf-list] Re: 460 destroys the drive train  :-)


IM a 385 series person but i would spend the 300 bucks and buy a set of
cleveland heads for the 400... the torque a 400 makes is incredible

josh davis




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From: Bogginf350 aol.com
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 00:06:39 EST
Subject: Re: 460 destroys the drive train  :-)


yes the 4v heads, the larger ports work well with the longer stroke 400
without port plates etc...



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Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 00:06:48 -0500
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: ADMIN: Please visit the FTE home page

I won't go into details, but I'm asking all the Ford Truck
Enthusiasts list members to please visit the main page of
the site (www.ford-trucks.com) and click on the "Scooter"
link above the opening paragraph.  Trust me, this one
deserves your attention and a couple of minutes of your time
to view.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com


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From: "George Davila" <mega55 lv.rmci.net>
Subject: Re: 351M to 429
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 06:22:42 -0800

Don't know about the '78 but my '82 required a rear-sump oil pan (460
Econoline works fine), a remote oil filter and carb linkage from the F250.
Didn't use the stock manifolds so I can't comment on that. Go with the L&L
motor mounts. I broke two pair of stock mounts before getting smart. The 385
series will bolt right up to your C6.

George


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Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 1:47 PM
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [perf-list] 351M to 429

Hi folks,
I have a 1978 Bronco with a "sick" 351M motor and an automatic C-6
transmission. I am planning on swapping out the 351M for either a 429 or a
460 (essentially the same motor only different crankshafts) in the next
couple of weeks. Does anyone know if I have to change torque converters and
bell housings also? Is there anything else I need to change out for this
motor swap? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.





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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: To 385 from 335 swap
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 08:44:02 -0600


Jeff writes:  >>I am planning on swapping out the 351M for either a 429 or a
460 (essentially the same motor only different crankshafts) in the next
couple of weeks. Does anyone know if I have to change torque converters and
bell housings also? Is there anything else I need to change out for this
motor swap? <<

My Son and I did this same swap in a '79 F350 4X4 with manual NP435.
The torque converter must  from a 385 series(429/460).  Bellhousing bolt
patterns are the same so your C6 will work.  You will also need the
passenger side exhaust manifold from a truck or van and some aftermarket
motormounts if your Bronco is 4X4.  If it is 2X4  you can just get some from
a '77 thru '79 F series that had the 460. You may have to fabricate some of
your brackets for A/C. pwr steering, and Alternator, but if you have
access to an F series with the 460 from the '77-'79 years those brackets
work on the Bronco.
When summer gets here watch your temperature.  You might need a larger
radiator.  We did.

Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 10:21:20 -0800 (PST)
From: Jeff Miller <Baywatch13 excite.com>
Subject: Re: 351M to 429


Hey,
Thanks for all the help guys. That's more information than I've been able to
find out in several months. I'll let everyone know how the swap comes out.

P.S. I've got me eye on both a 429 and a 460. The key factor is how much
money I can come up with! As for the 351M, it has 116,000 miles on it and I
never have liked it. So as far as I'm concerned, it's dead and I'm gonna put
it to rest! Another reason I'm more interested in an out and out swap is
that winter is coming up quick and that's my 4x4. I won't really have time
for a rebuild till late spring/early summer. Thanks again!





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From: Kevin Kemmerer <kevkem epix.net>
Subject: Re: 351M to 429
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 13:39:56 -0500

How is money a factor?  I don't mean to be ignorant, but a 460 does not
cost more than a 429.  If anything, a good 429 will run you more than a
good 460.  One reason is that you can get a good later model 460, but the
429's are all early motors, with the higher compression, demading that
"good head/block" premium.  At least around here it is like that.

If you are rebuilding it yourself, whatever you start with is cheaper.  If
you have the extra cash though, those 30 extra cubes are well worth it, for
a crank and pistons.  Or 6 more on top of that if you bore it .030 over to
clean up the bores.

Once you get it in be on the watch for the weak links.  That bigger motor
will find those worn u-joints, diff bearings, gears etc, right quick if you
run it hard.

Kevin

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From: Jeff Miller[SMTP:Baywatch13 excite.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 5:21 AM
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [perf-list] Re: 351M to 429


Hey,
Thanks for all the help guys. That's more information than I've been able
to
find out in several months. I'll let everyone know how the swap comes out.

P.S. I've got me eye on both a 429 and a 460. The key factor is how much
money I can come up with! As for the 351M, it has 116,000 miles on it and I
never have liked it. So as far as I'm concerned, it's dead and I'm gonna
put
it to rest! Another reason I'm more interested in an out and out swap is
that winter is coming up quick and that's my 4x4. I won't really have time
for a rebuild till late spring/early summer. Thanks again!





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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 12:16:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Jeff Miller <Baywatch13 excite.com>
Subject: Re: 351M to 429


By saying that money is a factor, I simply meant that whichever motor I
find, whether it be a 460 or a 429, in the next week or two at a decent
price and in current running condition, will dictate which I buy. As a rule
in this region the 429 is generally more rare and more expensive. I did
however find a high-output 460 in good running condition with 69K original
miles for $500. At this point in time, it looks like I'll be purchasing that
one, unless something changes.





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From: Kevin Kemmerer <kevkem epix.net>
Subject: Re: 351M to 429
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 15:59:08 -0500

Ok, I understand now.  That one sounds like a nice deal.  Couldn't find
anything like that around these parts.  Well, that isn't totally true.
Sometimes there are beat up lincolns and such with 460's in them that go
for less than that . . .

Kevin

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From: Jeff Miller[SMTP:Baywatch13 excite.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 7:16 AM
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [perf-list] Re: 351M to 429


By saying that money is a factor, I simply meant that whichever motor I
find, whether it be a 460 or a 429, in the next week or two at a decent
price and in current running condition, will dictate which I buy. As a rule
in this region the 429 is generally more rare and more expensive. I did
however find a high-output 460 in good running condition with 69K original
miles for $500. At this point in time, it looks like I'll be purchasing
that
one, unless something changes.





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Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 10:42:48 -0500
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: ADMIN: 2001 Lightning

The following updates have been made to the Ford
Truck Enthusiasts web site:

2001 Lightning photos added
2001 Lightning Overview and Specs added to Specifications section

Both of these are links off the "Recent Site Additions/News"
section of the main page of the site, www.ford-trucks.com

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts


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