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perf-list Digest Mon, 06 Nov 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 168

In This Issue:
Re--FE HEADS
Re: Thanks To Ken and Peggy
351M to 429
Re: 351M to 429
Re: 351M to 429
Re: 351M to 429
Re: 351M to 429
460 destroys the drive train  :-)
Re: 460 destroys the drive train  :-)
Re: 460 destroys the drive train  :-)
Re: 460 destroys the drive train  :-)
Re: 460 destroys the drive train  :-)
Re: 460 destroys the drive train  :-)

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Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 22:11:30 -0700
From: Corbin Johnson <streetrod sedona.net>
Subject: Re--FE HEADS

I don't blame you for the decision about the heads, that's why I took
them in for work, My last engine was a 390 and it had a 428CJ cam in it.
It worked ok, but when I went through it and freshend it up a lil, I
went with the Lunati cam.



I'm leaning towards one of two Lunati grinds:
I went with the Lunati and was very happy, it had the "lopey" idle that
was a little rough and it operated my power brakes just fine. I believe
the lift was .554 with a duration of 232. The part number was 0054. If I
were to build me another 390, I would put another one in it. They also
have another one #0053 which is almost the same except it has a smoother
idle. If you are interested in those cams, I think they were called the
"Bracket Master".



I have owned my truck for over 20 years and I'll tell you it never
stops........

LOL, this is true, now I'm workin on getting the interior started,
having trouble finding some door panels and a headliner. Can anyone
point me in the right direction?

Corbin
72 F-100
428SCJ


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Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 12:31:12 -0500
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: Thanks To Ken and Peggy

At 02:01 PM 11/5/00, you wrote:

>Well, everyone, I had the extreme pleasure of meeting our webmaster and his
>wife yesterday, and I tell ya, they are some great people.  Had a great
>lunch, lots of good stories, and even more laughs.  I had a great time, as
>did my buddy, Scooter.
>
>Ken and Peggy, I just want to thank you both again for a great lunch, and the
>"secret prize"  Scooter loved that.  Im not spoilin the surprise, Ken can
>tell everyone what it is.  Hope you guys made it to the Hoover damn ok, fun
>road isnt it?  Oh and thanks for the airline info, checked up on it, might
>see me out that way sooner than expected.  Have a good one, See ya
>
>Darrell & Tweety


Yeah, it was fun!  I'll have the prize photos on the site along with
SEMA photos tonight.  Everyone who didn't show up missed out on the
opportunity to win a really cool item!

Ken





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Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 13:46:36 -0800 (PST)
From: Jeff Miller <Baywatch13 excite.com>
Subject: 351M to 429

Hi folks,
I have a 1978 Bronco with a "sick" 351M motor and an automatic C-6
transmission. I am planning on swapping out the 351M for either a 429 or a
460 (essentially the same motor only different crankshafts) in the next
couple of weeks. Does anyone know if I have to change torque converters and
bell housings also? Is there anything else I need to change out for this
motor swap? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.





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From: "Bill Beyer" <bbeyer pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: 351M to 429
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 14:52:09 -0800

You don't need to change torque converters, you can't change bell-housings
but you don't need to. You'll need to buy motor mounts and some type of
exhaust manifolds or headers that will work with the swap since there
weren't any 385 series motors in 78 4X4s. Expect to spend $300-$500 for the
swap parts alone.

/// Friends help you move...Real friends help you move bodies \\

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Miller" <Baywatch13 excite.com>
To: <perf-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 1:46 PM
Subject: [perf-list] 351M to 429


> Hi folks,
> I have a 1978 Bronco with a "sick" 351M motor and an automatic C-6
> transmission. I am planning on swapping out the 351M for either a 429 or a
> 460 (essentially the same motor only different crankshafts) in the next
> couple of weeks. Does anyone know if I have to change torque converters
and
> bell housings also? Is there anything else I need to change out for this
> motor swap? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.




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From: "Bob" <xavetarx home.com>
Subject: Re: 351M to 429
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 18:07:07 -0500

Bill, check out this website for your swap...

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://performanceunlimited.com/customproducts/enginemount.html

-bob-


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From: "Bill Beyer" <bbeyer pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: 351M to 429
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 15:35:26 -0800

That's a nice set up. It doesn't address the exhaust issues however and it's
over $300 with shipping. My personal opinion is that unless you have a
rebuilt 429/460 that you've already bought or rebuilt then I'd spend the
$300 turning my 351M into a 400 and not worrying about converting.

/// Friends help you move...Real friends help you move bodies \\

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob" <xavetarx home.com>
To: <perf-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 3:07 PM
Subject: [perf-list] Re: 351M to 429


> Bill, check out this website for your swap...
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://performanceunlimited.com/customproducts/enginemount.html
>
> -bob-




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From: Kevin Kemmerer <kevkem epix.net>
Subject: Re: 351M to 429
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 18:43:40 -0500

Although I don't like dealing with them, L&L products has the mounts also.
Including next day air shipping as $80 when I got them a few year ago.

Kevin

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From: Bob[SMTP:xavetarx home.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 6:07 PM
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [perf-list] Re: 351M to 429

Bill, check out this website for your swap...

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://performanceunlimited.com/customproducts/enginemount.html

-bob-





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From: "Bob" <xavetarx home.com>
Subject: 460 destroys the drive train  :-)
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 18:43:50 -0500

personal opinion is that unless you have a
rebuilt 429/460 that you've already bought or rebuilt then I'd spend the
$300 turning my 351M into a 400 and not worrying about converting.

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Bill,
Whichever floats your boat.  I just got a 460 in my 79 Bronco, and I'm
having a heck of a time beefing up the drive train.  I've gone through two
universals in two weeks.  I have a 14 bolt GM rear (One Ton) and I'm going
to convert the drive shaft so the whole set up will be one ton.  Once this
is done, I'm looking to tear some MUD up.  You'd be amazed at the difference
between the 351/400 (my other Bronco has a 400) and the 460.

-bob-



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From: "Bill Beyer" <bbeyer pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: 460 destroys the drive train  :-)
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 18:09:14 -0800

Well I didn't say to put a STOCK 400 back in it. I personally have built a
400 which I think will make some of the big block boys sit up & take
notice...

/// Friends help you move...Real friends help you move bodies \\

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob" <xavetarx home.com>
To: <perf-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 3:43 PM
Subject: [perf-list] 460 destroys the drive train :-)


> Bill,
> Whichever floats your boat.  I just got a 460 in my 79 Bronco, and I'm
> having a heck of a time beefing up the drive train.  I've gone through two
> universals in two weeks.  I have a 14 bolt GM rear (One Ton) and I'm going
> to convert the drive shaft so the whole set up will be one ton.  Once this
> is done, I'm looking to tear some MUD up.  You'd be amazed at the
difference
> between the 351/400 (my other Bronco has a 400) and the 460.




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From: "Bob" <xavetarx home.com>
Subject: Re: 460 destroys the drive train  :-)
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 21:13:52 -0500

for 300 bucks.  More power too you.  Good luck!

-bob-

-----Original Message-----
From: perf-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
[mailto:perf-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Bill Beyer
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 9:09 PM
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [perf-list] Re: 460 destroys the drive train :-)


Well I didn't say to put a STOCK 400 back in it. I personally have built a
400 which I think will make some of the big block boys sit up & take
notice...

/// Friends help you move...Real friends help you move bodies \\

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob" <xavetarx home.com>
To: <perf-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 3:43 PM
Subject: [perf-list] 460 destroys the drive train :-)


> Bill,
> Whichever floats your boat.  I just got a 460 in my 79 Bronco, and I'm
> having a heck of a time beefing up the drive train.  I've gone through two
> universals in two weeks.  I have a 14 bolt GM rear (One Ton) and I'm going
> to convert the drive shaft so the whole set up will be one ton.  Once this
> is done, I'm looking to tear some MUD up.  You'd be amazed at the
difference
> between the 351/400 (my other Bronco has a 400) and the 460.



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From: "Bill Beyer" <bbeyer pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: 460 destroys the drive train  :-)
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 18:27:20 -0800

Nope...not even close. All I'm saying is that if I'm going to take the time
and $$$ to rebuild an engine I can make a 400 go almost as good as a 429 and
spend the $300+ dollars to make it better. Like I said, if Jeff already has
a rebuilt 429/460 ready to go then fine, spend the $300+ and stuff it in the
bronco. But if he has to buy a new motor and then rebuild it then he can put
the $300 towards making the 351M into a 400 and making it bark. So what
exhaust did you use for your conversion anyway?

/// Friends help you move...Real friends help you move bodies \\

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob" <xavetarx home.com>
To: <perf-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 6:13 PM
Subject: [perf-list] Re: 460 destroys the drive train :-)


> for 300 bucks.  More power too you.  Good luck!
>




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From: "Bob" <xavetarx home.com>
Subject: Re: 460 destroys the drive train  :-)
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 21:33:12 -0500

I see.  I'm wasn't trying to sound offensive if I came across that way.
I used the "truck" headers from a factory 460.

-----Original Message-----
From: perf-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
[mailto:perf-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Bill Beyer
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 9:27 PM
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [perf-list] Re: 460 destroys the drive train :-)


Nope...not even close. All I'm saying is that if I'm going to take the time
and $$$ to rebuild an engine I can make a 400 go almost as good as a 429 and
spend the $300+ dollars to make it better. Like I said, if Jeff already has
a rebuilt 429/460 ready to go then fine, spend the $300+ and stuff it in the
bronco. But if he has to buy a new motor and then rebuild it then he can put
the $300 towards making the 351M into a 400 and making it bark. So what
exhaust did you use for your conversion anyway?

/// Friends help you move...Real friends help you move bodies \\

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob" <xavetarx home.com>
To: <perf-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 6:13 PM
Subject: [perf-list] Re: 460 destroys the drive train :-)


> for 300 bucks.  More power too you.  Good luck!
>



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From: Bogginf350 aol.com
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 23:58:04 EST
Subject: Re: 460 destroys the drive train  :-)


IM a 385 series person but i would spend the 300 bucks and buy a set of
cleveland heads for the 400... the torque a 400 makes is incredible

josh davis



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