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perf-list-digest Tuesday, January 18 2000 Volume 03 : Number 015



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In this issue:

FTE Perf - 429/460 heads
FTE Perf - 429/460 heads
FTE Perf - Darn AOL
FTE Perf - RE: 429/460 heads
Re: FTE Perf - 429/460 heads
Re: [FTE Perf - firing order needed]
Re: [FTE Perf - Dealer overpricing of shop work]
Re: FTE Perf - 429/460 heads
Re: [FTE Perf - Dealer overpricing of shop work]

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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 14:32:05 EST
From: JUMPINFORD AOL.COM
Subject: FTE Perf - 429/460 heads

Hell everyone, quick question. I found a pair of C8VE heads, but they are
bare. I am considering using them on my 460, but I need to know if the
rockers from my D3V# heads will work. I havent had a chance to look at em
close, so I figured your the folks to ask. Thanks folks, See ya.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 14:35:48 EST
From: JUMPINFORD AOL.COM
Subject: FTE Perf - 429/460 heads

Hell everyone, quick question. I found a pair of C8VE heads, but they are
bare. I am considering using them on my 460, but I need to know if the
rockers from my D3VE heads will work. I havent had a chance to look at em
close, so I figured your the folks to ask. Thanks folks, See ya.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 14:40:55 EST
From: JUMPINFORD AOL.COM
Subject: FTE Perf - Darn AOL

Sorry for the double post, AOL was tweakin out on me, wont happen again I
promise.

Darrell
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 15:50:13 -0500
From: Sleddog epix.net>
Subject: FTE Perf - RE: 429/460 heads

If my memory is correct (and sometimes it fails miserably), the '73 heads
(D3V...) are pedestal mount rockers. The early heads, are stuf mount.
Unless of course, someone, or you already had them machined for stud
mount.

Machining the early heads for pedestal mount, is not to my knowledge
possible, or at least not to any advantage.

The old heads, need the stock rail rockers or hardened pushrods and
guideplates with standard or roller rockers.

Personally, i would go with a set of harland sharp roller rockers, and
hardened pushrods/guideplates. Get good quality studs and locknuts.

Kevin

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From: JUMPINFORD AOL.COM[SMTP:JUMPINFORD AOL.COM]
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Subject: FTE Perf - 429/460 heads

Hell everyone, quick question. I found a pair of C8VE heads, but they are
bare. I am considering using them on my 460, but I need to know if the
rockers from my D3V# heads will work. I havent had a chance to look at em
close, so I figured your the folks to ask. Thanks folks, See ya.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"



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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 18:53:15 EST
From: Bogginf350 AOL.COM
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - 429/460 heads

Yup, they will work but I would recommend going to the adj. style if you
still have the positive stop rockers...
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Date: 17 Jan 00 19:37:07 EST
From: Tim Turner netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [FTE Perf - firing order needed]

able office machines ableofficemachines.com> wrote:
> i know i should have wrote it down..
> need firing order and rotation for a Ford Ranger
> 1987 2.9 liter pickup...
> =


I'm pretty sure all Ford V-6s are 1 4 2 5 3 6.. I'm thinking CCW on the
rotation, but bump the starter and double check first! ;-)

Manic

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Date: 17 Jan 00 20:14:11 EST
From: Tim Turner netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [FTE Perf - Dealer overpricing of shop work]

CPortlock AOL.COM wrote:
> I am having a runnining dissagreement with my local Ford dealer concern=
ing =

> charges applied to a work order I just had completed on my 92 F150
Flairside.

Poor communication on the service writer's part I'm thinking... I'm goin=
g to
assume the shop charges $68/Hr


> 1. Original estimate=3D Driver side power window does not operate Price=
quote

> $68.00

1 Hour to diagnose probably :-( Possibly a quote on parts and labor for =
a new
switch since it's easy to change.

> 3. Took the vehicle in on the scheduled date and added for them to chec=
k the

> right inside door handle since it was binding. This increased the quote=
to =

> $136.00 which I approved.

$68x2.. 1 Hour to check each side Again I think this is just for checki=
ng
and no parts.

> 4. I returned to pick up the completed service call and was informed th=
at
the =

> window motor was faulty and would cost $195.00 for the motor but hey on=
ly
had
> to lubricate the handle on the right side. I again OKd the cost of the=

motor =

> since I had to have an operational drivers side window.


$195 for the motor; nice of him to not mention the additional labor huh?

> 5. When I picked up the finished vehicle I was informed that the cost w=
as =

> $168.00 for repair of the drivers side window' $68.00 for lubricating t=
he =

> right side door handle and $195.00 for the motor.

Soo... 2.5 Hours for replacing the motor and 1 Hour for the right side ha=
ndle
+ the part itself. The motor is riveted in place requiring drilling etc;=

certainly a lot more labor intensive than just the switch itself or repai=
ring
broken wiring between the door and the body. 2-2.5 hours might be a tad =
high
but I can see it having 'been there, done that' (at a lot cheaper Labor r=
ate,
but I'm in the low rate area of the nation.)


> 6. I believe the original quote of 138.00 to repair both the handle of =
the =

> right side and the window of the left side should have covered the labo=
r and

> the only additional charge should have been for the cost of the motor. =


I think the service writer did a poor job of informing you of what was
required. :-( Without actually going into the door(s) he had no way of
knowing what was actually wrong and had no business giving a quote other =
than
for the labor required to diagnose the problem(s). (Possibly a quote for =
parts
and labor if it was 1: switch 2: motor.) At my shop it would have been .5=
Hour
each side to CHECK and then given an estimate from there for parts AND la=
bor
for what we found.

> =

> I would appreciate your opinion on these charges.

And you have them! :-) In summary I think the bill itself was fair, but=
the
way it was presented/sold certainly was not.. :-(

Tim Turner/Manic Mechanic
Custer Auto Repair
Wilmington NC
> =

> Thanks =

> =

> Bud
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 17:29:24 -0800
From: George Miller lv.rmci.net>
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - 429/460 heads

The C8VE are, as Sleddog points out, rail rockers with the later ones
being pedestal mounted. For performance and tuning, you'll be a lot
better off with the early heads - 75.8cc chambers - than the later
91.4cc heads. On a '73 block, you'll end up with 9.6:1 CR with early
heads versus 8.5:1. World of difference. If you don't want to spring for
roller rockers, guide plates and hardened push rods and intend to stay
under 6000rpm, use stock rail rockers/push rods and aftermarket
adjustable lock nuts to set your lifter preludes.

George Miller

JUMPINFORD AOL.COM wrote:
>
> Hell everyone, quick question. I found a pair of C8VE heads, but they are
> bare. I am considering using them on my 460, but I need to know if the
> rockers from my D3V# heads will work. I havent had a chance to look at em
> close, so I figured your the folks to ask. Thanks folks, See ya.
>
> Darrell Duggan
> 74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 01:45:01 EST
From: CPortlock AOL.COM
Subject: Re: [FTE Perf - Dealer overpricing of shop work]

In a message dated 1/17/00 5:14:33 PM Pacific Standard Time,
manicmechanicnc netscape.net writes:

<< I would appreciate your opinion on these charges.

And you have them! :-) In summary I think the bill itself was fair, but=
the
way it was presented/sold certainly was not.. :-(

Tim Turner/Manic Mechanic
Custer Auto Repair
Wilmington NC >>


Thank you

Bud
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