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perf-list-digest Tuesday, January 11 2000 Volume 03 : Number 009



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In this issue:

FTE Perf - tranny change?
RE: FTE Perf - 351w MPG?
RE: FTE Perf - c-6 aod
Re: FTE Perf - c-6 aod
RE: FTE Perf - c-6 aod
Re: FTE Perf - c-6 aod
RE: FTE Perf - c-6 aod

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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 06:48:45 EST
From: Blkharswed AOL.COM
Subject: FTE Perf - tranny change?

I have a '90 F-150 4X4 300six and a mazda tranny. The tranny is making a
clunking noise when I shift. Does anyone know what tranny I could swap into
my truck. I really hate that mazda! The engine only has 115k miles on it and
has just gotten broken in so I don't want to get rid of the truck.
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 09:04:40 -0600
From: "William S. Hart" iastate.edu>
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - 351w MPG?

> Anyone know the approx miles per gallon I should expect to get
> with a 351w?
> I was getting 7mpg on the freeway, which seems pretty low.
>

As Bas says, seems low for an older truck, but Dad's got a 5.8L C6 w/410
gears on an F250 4x4 ... we have stretched it from about 7 to an easier 8,
and maybe 10 if you drive slow ... that was done by setting the timing to
12deg instead of the 10 that is factory and just basic tuneup stuffs ..

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 09:38:59 -0600
From: "William S. Hart" iastate.edu>
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - c-6 aod

> have a c-6 with a electric overdrive that i am hoping to rebuild and put
> in my e.b.

A C6 with electronic overdrive ? You mean an E4OD ?

> would like to put a stage 3 shift kit in it and kevlar clutches.
> the "o.d." would be used for freeway use only but i have been informed
> that the
> o.d. gears are too weak for a off-road vehicle and i would be better off
> with standard c-6
> due to the gear ratios..

The E4OD uses a wide ratio C6 gearset, and the OD you can lock out, not to
mention you probably won't be using it off road anyway (the over drive gear
itself I mean) ...

> the c-6 is a RFE8TP EOAP 7A1-5B1A
> looks to be a 1988 aod with 31 spline tail shaft.

Okay, I don't think that's an E4OD then, rather an AOD, which is not known
for its longevity behind anything bigger than a 5.0 ... and even a well
built 5.0 can stress those, but there are people out there who can make them
work, (Art Carr trannies comes to mind) ..

Heck if you throw enough money at something it'll work :)

What are you planning on doing exactly for setup in front of the tranny and
what sort of "off roading" are you talking about ? (mud bogs, rock crawling,
snow play ?)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 08:25:57 -0800
From: able office machines ableofficemachines.com>
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - c-6 aod

"William S. Hart" wrote:

> > have a c-6 with a electric overdrive that i am hoping to rebuild and put
> > in my e.b.
>
> A C6 with electronic overdrive ? You mean an E4OD ?
>
> > would like to put a stage 3 shift kit in it and kevlar clutches.
> > the "o.d." would be used for freeway use only but i have been informed
> > that the
> > o.d. gears are too weak for a off-road vehicle and i would be better off
> > with standard c-6
> > due to the gear ratios..
>
> The E4OD uses a wide ratio C6 gearset, and the OD you can lock out, not to
> mention you probably won't be using it off road anyway (the over drive gear
> itself I mean) ...
>
> > the c-6 is a RFE8TP EOAP 7A1-5B1A
> > looks to be a 1988 aod with 31 spline tail shaft.
>
> Okay, I don't think that's an E4OD then, rather an AOD, which is not known
> for its longevity behind anything bigger than a 5.0 ... and even a well
> built 5.0 can stress those, but there are people out there who can make them
> work, (Art Carr trannies comes to mind) ..
>
> Heck if you throw enough money at something it'll work :)
>
> What are you planning on doing exactly for setup in front of the tranny and
> what sort of "off roading" are you talking about ? (mud bogs, rock crawling,
> snow play ?)
>
> Just my $.02
> wish
>
> 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
> 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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>
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My rig can be seen at philmoulton.com it ran in the baja 1000 last year until
my RAM clutch gave out at the same time however i lost the rear driveline and
front left axle. Since we rebuilt the engine (orig . 302) and i put it in low
range with locked front/rear. i loose clutches. Therefore the thought is to
convert the 4x to an automatic.. i would not have the "shock-loading" that i do
now. Vehicle is a multi-use rig.. for Oregon hills, Mud, Rocks, Sand and most
importantly the Baja 1000.
This is not a A40D but a C-6 with a electrically operated overdrive
phil


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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 10:46:32 -0600
From: "William S. Hart" iastate.edu>
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - c-6 aod

> Vehicle is a multi-use rig.. for Oregon hills, Mud, Rocks,
> Sand and most
> importantly the Baja 1000.
> This is not a A40D but a C-6 with a electrically operated overdrive

Hmmm... have you considered an E4OD ? They are a pricey tranny, but with the
right parts in them have stood up to drag racing with the Lightning crowd (a
4200lb truck) ... They will require an adapter from Baumann engineering as
they are electronically controlled, but may fit the bill for what you are
looking to do ...

Checked your site out ... I'm jealous :) Looks like lots of fun ...someday
I'll have to see what this 4wheeling thing is really all about instead of
just playing in the snow every winter I think ... :)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish

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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 08:54:45 -0800
From: able office machines ableofficemachines.com>
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - c-6 aod

"William S. Hart" wrote:

> > Vehicle is a multi-use rig.. for Oregon hills, Mud, Rocks,
> > Sand and most
> > importantly the Baja 1000.
> > This is not a A40D but a C-6 with a electrically operated overdrive
>
> Hmmm... have you considered an E4OD ? They are a pricey tranny, but with the
> right parts in them have stood up to drag racing with the Lightning crowd (a
> 4200lb truck) ... They will require an adapter from Baumann engineering as
> they are electronically controlled, but may fit the bill for what you are
> looking to do ...
>
> Checked your site out ... I'm jealous :) Looks like lots of fun ...someday
> I'll have to see what this 4wheeling thing is really all about instead of
> just playing in the snow every winter I think ... :)
>
> Just my $.02
> wish

nope.. its WAY out of my price range. as they are a bit spendy and i would need
all sorts of adapters to mount them to the 30 yr old 302 and the less
electronics i need .. THE BETTER..
lol phil


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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 11:21:10 -0600
From: "William S. Hart" iastate.edu>
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - c-6 aod

> nope.. its WAY out of my price range. as they are a bit spendy

AMEN! We just had my sister's rebuilt and it was not cheap ... didn't know
what budget you were looking at ...

> and i would need
> all sorts of adapters to mount them to the 30 yr old 302

30 year old 302 has the same bellhousing as a 5 year old 302 which the E4OD
can be had behind (heck that's what my sister's is !) ... so you wouldn't
need any "adapters" other than one for a 5.0 ... at least that's my
understanding of things ... the xfer case could prove a different story of
course ... but an atlas would solve that (you needed an excuse for one right
? :)


> and the less
> electronics i need .. THE BETTER..
>

That I understand completely ... in racing the kiss principle is the only
way to go (keep it simple stupid)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish

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