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perf-list-digest Friday, December 17 1999 Volume 02 : Number 323



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In this issue:

Re: FTE Perf - fire out the tailpipes
RE: FTE Perf - fire out the tailpipes
RE: FTE Perf - Bronco II help! more info ...
FTE Perf - 460 rebuilt (long)
FTE Perf - engine computer chip upgrades
RE: FTE Perf - engine computer chip upgrades
RE: FTE Perf - Bronco II help! more info ...
Re: FTE Perf - engine computer chip upgrades
RE: FTE Perf - 460 rebuilt (long)
Re: FTE Perf - engine computer chip upgrades
RE:FTE Perf - fire out the tailpipes (old fun item...)
RE:FTE Perf - fire out the tailpipes (old fun item...)

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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 06:44:35 -0600
From: tvsjr sprynet.com
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - fire out the tailpipes

If I understand correctly, that'll just be hell on the catalytic converters
and you won't get any fire. What you probably need to do is induce fuel
(preferably diesel or kerosene so the vapors don't explode) in the exhaust
pipe before the outlet, and use a piece of nichrome wire and electricity to
ignite it.

Terry

At 10:48 PM 12/15/1999 -0500, you wrote:
>
>
>Hey Guys,
>My friend has a question for guys. In order to win a bet, he has to rig
>something up so he can shoot fire out of his trucks tailpipe so he can win a
>bet. We have seen it in magazines and on t.v. but still not sure quite how
>to do it besides a sparkplug, a switch and flooding the engine. He does not
>seem to worry about ruining the truck either because it is a beater. So if
>you guys have any ideas, we thank you in advance
>Lee
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 08:21:29 -0600
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - fire out the tailpipes

> In order to win a bet, he has to rig
> something up so he can shoot fire out of his trucks tailpipe so
> he can win a
> bet.


Hahahahahahaha ... my dad's done this when he was a kid ... and there are
lots of street rods around here with "blue flame" kits on their exhaust ...
that was pretty awesome stuff to watch at the Good Guys Rod and Custom show
:)

No pics though sorry ...


Anyway talk with the local street rodders for the regular kit ... otherwise
you just need a coil and a spark plug and some good gloves :) fire the plug
in the tail pipe by grounding the coil out so it will fire that plug instead
of the ones in the tailpipe ... before you throw the switch though try and
flood the motor ... ie pump the gas rapidly and let the revs bounce back and
forth, then let off and nail the plug in the exhaust if I'm remembering
things right ... it isn't the best for the motors or the exhaust, but it
looks pretty darned cool if done right ... also helps keep tailgaters back a
bit farther ... :)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:13:36 -0600
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Bronco II help! more info ...

> The ticking you describe sounds like an exhaust leak. Possibly a cracked
> manifold or a bad manifold gasket.

That was my first thought too ... but it seemed too clean ... too regular to
really be the exhaust side of things ... then she started giving me more
information, a couple people told her it was a lifter ... and then she said
it knocked too ... so then I drove it a bit farther the other day, sure
enough it started knockin ... grrr ... so anyway now I'm thinkin its likely
oil pressure related ... I talked with one of my friends who used to have
one of those motors and he said he had the pickup screen on the oil pump
clog up on him twice while he had it, which would present these symptoms
(the ticks, not the missing) ... so I got an oil pressure gauge to try and
see what was going on with it ... but wouldn't you know I can't get the
sending unit for the light out ...

Does anyone know for sure that its the sensor right over the starter ? If I
can guarantee its that then I'll pull the starter so I can get a real gauge
plugged in there ... any issues with this ? I'd really like to get this
thing fixed and going so she can get it back before the nasty weather hits
...


> be related to a stuck egr or broken egr line. I'm guessing at this point.
>

I'll second you on the sticky egr as that's what it feels like to me too,
but no check engine light, and only a brief emiss. light when you first
start it ... we may end up replacing that anyway, but I want to look at this
oil thing first to be sure that's not a problem before I worry about a
sticky egr (hate to fix the egr and have the motor lock up on me or
something)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:19:41 -0700
From: William Whited
Subject: FTE Perf - 460 rebuilt (long)

Well guys just got my spec sheet from the guy that is going to
rebuilt my 460. So I will run down the list of stuff that he has
selected and I would like any comments, questions, concerns, or anything
that I need to ask him or be on the look out for.

Engine rebuilt kit with RV Cam & valve springs: Cam bearings
Durabond, Rod Bearings Clevite 77, Main Bearings Clevite 77, Camshaft
MTF-3 Melling with 490 lift 107 centerline 292 duration, lifters sealed
power Timing set Melling, Pistons Silvolite, Rings Sealed Power, Full
set of FelPro gaskets, and a Melling Oil Pump. Machine work includes:
Regrind, Recondition and press the connecting rods, Degrease, rebore and
hone the block, install the cam bearings, balance the rotation assembly,
and a valve job.

My mechanic highly recommends this guy and says that he does great
work and they both want me to deal directly with him and make any
changes that I want to make with the parts.

My truck is a 77 F150 460 with a C-6, with I believe 3.25 rear gear
and stock tires. Again what I want is a truck that gets around 10 mpg,
cruises at 65 in the 2300-2600 rpm range with more power then I know
what to do with. I will be towing on occasion but not frequently, this
truck is going to be my daily driver and my trip vehicle when I have to
drive to VA to see my son from TX. So I do spent allot of time on the
highway at speeds between 60-80. TIA

William Whited
74 F100 Ranger Supercab 390
77 F150 Custom 460
Semper Fi
El Paso TX

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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 11:24:04 -0500
From: gary vandergrift
Subject: FTE Perf - engine computer chip upgrades

Thinking about upgrading my computer chip. Where to get them? I have
done some searches, must not be using the proper words.
Hate to BUY a magazine to get a phone number.
Thanks Gary V. in CT
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:43:29 -0600
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - engine computer chip upgrades

> Thinking about upgrading my computer chip. Where to get them? I have
> done some searches, must not be using the proper words.
> Hate to BUY a magazine to get a phone number.

You can get all kinds of places to burn chips for you, either mailorder or
dyno tuned ... dyno tuning is obviously the best you can do to get the
mixtures and timing exactly right for your vehicle, though most places will
do mailorder ... hit the mustang boards to see who they like and how to
contact them ...

www.musclestang.com might have some, along with www.corral.net an
www.mustangworld.com ... steeda (www.steeda.com) may also do them for
trucks as well ...

what vehicle are we talking about just out of curiosity ?

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:43:57 -0500
From: J Cope
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Bronco II help! more info ...

>I talked with one of my friends who used to have
>one of those motors and he said he had the pickup screen on the oil pump
>clog up on him twice while he had it

I had my entire engine replaced a few years back, and all that was left of
the pickup screen was a clogged mess of sludge...

>but wouldn't you know I can't get the
>sending unit for the light out ...

I've had to replace mine several times now. Suckers seem to leak a lot...
I did it myself twice, but I've since let my mechanic deal with it, as
they're a wicked (yep, I'm from New England) pain to get out...

JC
'88 BII XLT
10k tow hooks
40ch CB
Removed airbox
K&N
Light bar
Headlight Stone Guards
30x9.5 BFG A/T TA KOs
Fog lights
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 13:38:02 EST
From: FLR150 AOL.COM
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - engine computer chip upgrades

In a message dated 12/16/99 11:27:26 AM Eastern Standard Time,
gvanderg home.com writes:


done some searches, must not be using the proper words.
Hate to BUY a magazine to get a phone number. >>
Gary,
Link to chips Welcome to Superchips
. The number for contact is on the site...
Later
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC (Superchips powered)
Wayne's Flareside/Ford
Welcome Page
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 13:32:27 -0800
From: "O'Connell, Dennis M"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - 460 rebuilt (long)

Well I'm going to add my 2 cents here. Why not upgrade the engine if your
going to the trouble to rebuild it. Roller rockers(not that much more than
the stock ones) Comp cam, call and they can recommend a ratio based on your
gear ratio, tire size and driving habits. High volume oil pump, larger pan.
While the heads are off what about smoothing the exhaust ports(do the 460's
have the smog bump like the 429?) Some of this is a relatively inexpensive
upgrade but is well worth it. It all boils down to dollars. But I know
that the above along with the balance made a major difference in my engine
performance.

Why don't you ask sleddog.(Hope that's OK) He has a lot of experience with
the 460 and should be able to give a reasonable recommendation for a
inexpensive upgrade.

Dennis
55 F100

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> Reply To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 8:19 AM
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com; perf-list
> Subject: FTE Perf - 460 rebuilt (long)
>
> Well guys just got my spec sheet from the guy that is going to
> rebuilt my 460. So I will run down the list of stuff that he has
> selected and I would like any comments, questions, concerns, or anything
> that I need to ask him or be on the look out for.
>
>
> My mechanic highly recommends this guy and says that he does great
> work and they both want me to deal directly with him and make any
> changes that I want to make with the parts.
>
> My truck is a 77 F150 460 with a C-6, with I believe 3.25 rear gear
> and stock tires. Again what I want is a truck that gets around 10 mpg,
> cruises at 65 in the 2300-2600 rpm range with more power then I know
> what to do with. I will be towing on occasion but not frequently, this
> truck is going to be my daily driver and my trip vehicle when I have to
> drive to VA to see my son from TX. So I do spent allot of time on the
> highway at speeds between 60-80. TIA
>
> William Whited
> 74 F100 Ranger Supercab 390
> 77 F150 Custom 460
> Semper Fi
> El Paso TX
>
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:35:38 -0800
From: Adam McLaughlin
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - engine computer chip upgrades

I just got a comuter chip from James Duff for my Bronco II. They asked me
details about the motor, and I told them:

14btcd timing
92 octane fuel
MSD-6al ignition
MSD super conductor wires
MSD Blaster Coil
plug gap set at .044
Flowmaster 2.5" series 50 in cat back
5 speed
re-built 2.9 with synthetic oil

etc. etc...

They had made a chip just for me for $309 shipped second day air to my door. It
took ten minutes to install it, and there I was! More umph when punching the
gas.

Adam

"William S. Hart" wrote:

> > Thinking about upgrading my computer chip. Where to get them? I have
> > done some searches, must not be using the proper words.
> > Hate to BUY a magazine to get a phone number.
>

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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 21:12:53 -0800
From: "Keith Christensen"
Subject: RE:FTE Perf - fire out the tailpipes (old fun item...)

> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:48:08 EST
> From: Genlee97 AOL.COM
> Subject: FTE Perf - fire out the tailpipes
>
> Hey Guys,
> My friend has a question for guys. In order to win a bet, he has to rig
> something up so he can shoot fire out of his trucks tailpipe so he can win
a
> bet. We have seen it in magazines and on t.v. but still not sure quite
how
> to do it besides a sparkplug, a switch and flooding the engine. He does
not
> seem to worry about ruining the truck either because it is a beater. So
if
> you guys have any ideas, we thank you in advance


Having been a willing participant (??) back in my teens, I'm gonna admit to
stupidity!

'65-'67 was a screwball time, and one of the 'local cool items' was called
'gopher-roaster pipes' in central Montana. Nothing new, just shorty dual
exhaust pipes that exited in front of the rear wheel wells, and sliced off
on the diagonal.

The name came from the gophers that would be standing up on the side of the
road as you went past... rap the throttle and see said gopher disappear.

The 'flames out the tailpipe' by intentionally doing backfires goes back to
Model T days, We just added 'control' by adding a tapped hole behind the
muffler(s) to accept a spark plug and rerouting the distributer's pulse to a
second coil setup to fire those plugs. This was done by a toggle switch
(and relays as required) that was usually a 'center off' switch.

"UP" was normal, "Middle" was NO SPARK(no run, but you had to pause about 5
seconds to keep from blowing the muffler(s) , and "DOWN" was spark to the
tailpipe plug(s).

Usual plan was to 'determine a need to BURN', then put it the 'off' position
for about 10 seconds WHILE PUMPING the throttle heavily (loading the
fuel/air in the exhaust system...), then switching to the coils?plugs 'in
the pipe(s).

BHWUWANM.... 20 to 100 feet of flames out of the exhaust pipe(s).

**** But**** NOW***

This stupid trick is damned near guaranteed to blow out mufflers and
*expensive* things like catalytic convertors.

'Gopher Roasters*enhaced* with the above plan are :{ not worth it!









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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 00:47:18 -0500
From: Tony Marino
Subject: RE:FTE Perf - fire out the tailpipes (old fun item...)

>'Gopher Roasters*enhaced* with the above plan are :{ not worth it!

OH YES!! VERY WORTH IT!!! !!!

I was considering this about a year ago when I was also considering hooking
up the windshield washer pump resevoir to instead of cleaning my windshield
to running a small rubber line back along the frame, split coming out in
front of each tire, with a little spray nosel, and filling it up with
Clorox for nice smokey burnouts at stop lights/signs.... Same period of
time I put a 135 decible Hadley air horn on my truck run by 150lbs of air
in an old fire extinguisher tank mounted under the frame rail.... Same
period of time I found an old air-raid siren-- ahhh-- well.... 8-)

Those things may not be dangerous that I did, but I'm certainly old enough
now (24) to know that some of the stuff I do now is really stupid, but want
to do anyway! 8-)

When you got the flames, did they pulse with the plug, or was it fast
enough of a spark interval that the flame appeared somewhat steady? Could
it be maintained for a few seconds? (my carter 600 allows me to pull the
choke completely shut, and if I hammer on the gas, the vac is enough to
open up a spring port on the choke plate to allow the motor to keep running....

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