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perf-list-digest Friday, December 10 1999 Volume 02 : Number 317



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Ford Truck Enthusiasts - Performance
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In this issue:

FTE Perf - tires
RE: [RE: [RE: FTE Perf - almost 360]]
Re: FTE Perf - Sick 460
Re: FTE Perf - Sick 460
Re: FTE Perf - Timing chain
FTE Perf - need a part
Re: [RE: [RE: FTE Perf - almost 360]]
FTE Perf - ADMIN: New Ford trucks

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Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 08:34:52 -0600
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: FTE Perf - tires

> Actually I was talking about the 'warning zone' the tire gives you before
> giving up it's traction. ;-)
>

Quite right ... if they are overinflated too much you don't need to worry
about that though 'cause they are always giving up traction :)
(PPPUUUUSSSHHH!!!)


> Quite true... just meant it to reinforce what diference it can
> actually make
> when dealing with fractions of seconds for lap times. I agree
> with you that
> we don't need to obsess over tire pressure; as amatuers we can
> probably gain
> more time with technique than tire pressure unless we're way out of the
> ballpark on the air.
>

Wow, I totally misread your original message didn't I? Sorry about that :)

> Amen! 1st or last I'll still get a dash plaque; sure trophies are nice,
> but... it's not CASH! :-) :-) Bragging rights do have their value though;
> just not enough for me to deter the fun of thrashing the vehicle
> with too much
> thought about every little detail.
>
you get plaques? I'm jealous :( I'm supposed to have about 3 trophies but
none of them have shown up yet (including a Fast time of the Day in my
"slow" F-stock :) Cash would sure be an incentive though. At this point
I'm content with just the learning aspect, you can learn so much through
trial and error and not have to worry about damaging the car too badly if at
all ... also it makes some of your "panic" maneuvers when the idiot in front
of you in traffic screws up a bit more managed and controllable.

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 08:55:36 -0600
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: [RE: [RE: FTE Perf - almost 360]]

> And GM lost a court battle over that too. Ol' boy was mad that
> his Olds had a
> non Olds engine.

Wow, I didn't know that ... that's weird ...

> I was in Tech school when that 5.7 diesel came
> out; whew..
> what fool engineer thought a gas engine block would hold up under
> that much
> extra compression? By the end of the year we had a pile of 'em
> with broken
> cranks/blocks.
>

hehehehe ... I've only seen a half dozen of those in my life, I always
figured that was the reason too :)

> I "thought" there had been one but couldn't place it.. even thought about
> re-wording the sentence to 'mass produced 5.8' or some such but I
> knew someone
> would set me straight if so.

No problem :)

> > I think we all wish we had the deflation problems in our hp figurings :)
> Or at least the insurance rate figurings!!
>
Woohoo, just got my insurance bill for the next 6mo ... its about $300 lower
than the last one :) (25th is at the end of the month, guess which vehicle
:)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 15:46:22 +0100
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Sick 460

>worried about fuel mileage just as long I get around 10
>mph, I'd like something with some rumble but still

I'm sure the 460 will make you go 10 mph while idling :-)


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Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 10:10:37 -0700
From: William Whited
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Sick 460

I meant 10 mpg sorry about that

Bas van der Veer wrote:

> >worried about fuel mileage just as long I get around 10
> >mph, I'd like something with some rumble but still
>
> I'm sure the 460 will make you go 10 mph while idling :-)
>
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Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 11:49:03 -0600
From: "Robert F. Davis"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Timing chain

At 09:48 PM 12/07/1999 -0600, you wrote:
>Does any one know if the newer EFI 460s use the same timing change as
>the older ones that have a carb? The reason I have a 1970 F-250 with a
>transplanted 460. Driving down the road its pretty mean. but when hooked
>to a pulling sled it just wont open up. The man that built the motor
>before I bought the truck said he used the new model timing chain. I was
>telling a friend about this and he said the new chain could be my whole
>problem. because the valve timing is about 4 deg. different.
>
> Any help would be great!!!!
> Dave
>
>Dave,
IT AIN'T THE CHAIN. It's the sprocket (erroneously called a gear). In fact
it's the crank sprocket only!! The later 460's from about 1973 (I think)
run the cam RETARDED approximately 8 degrees,
or about half a tooth. Find you an earlier crank sprocket and it will
improve your performance greatly.
The earlier sprockets are easy to spot because the timing "o" lines up with
a tooth (and key way).
The later (emission sprocket) "o" lines up with the space between the teeth.

Federal-Mogul performance parts catalog shows 4 different timing sets; each
w/3 key ways, & 1 set w/9 key ways. I'm sure other manufacturers. have the
same.

"Beater" Bob
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Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 12:57:50 -0600
From: "Joel Thomas"
Subject: FTE Perf - need a part

I am looking for the tranny cover that bolts to the floorboard that covers
that tranny and transfer case that would fit a 1984 F-150
the thing that you bolt the boots to.

thanks reasonably priced and not hacked up or anything perfectly normal.

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Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:00:07 -0800 (PST)
From: canzus seanet.com
Subject: Re: [RE: [RE: FTE Perf - almost 360]]

At 11:39 PM 8:12:99 EST, Tim Turner wrote:

>And GM lost a court battle over that too. Ol' boy was mad that his Olds had a
>non Olds engine. I was in Tech school when that 5.7 diesel came out; whew..
>what fool engineer thought a gas engine block would hold up under that much
>extra compression? By the end of the year we had a pile of 'em with broken
>cranks/blocks.

Actually , the blocks held up fine. The problem was the cranks. I worked for
an outfit that did a lot of conversions from Diesel to gas, and *all* the
engines
I took apart were crank failures. The blocks we took out we usually turned into
gas runner 350's, usually bomber class circle track motors. Swap the cam for
a "legal" piece, swap the intake for a stock 2BBL from a Omega, and sell them
for $1700, after a quicky rebuild with a reground crank, nearly 320HP. We
rarely
had to bore them....

Steve & the Rockette
68 F100, 390cid, FMX
63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in.....
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
98 Contour SVT, Mine, Mine, All Mine....

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Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 00:23:33 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Perf - ADMIN: New Ford trucks

Check out the news section of the web site. Several Ford
Motor Company press releases have been added about the
2000 F150s, including new models and also about the new
Explorer Sport.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts

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