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perf-list-digest Wednesday, December 8 1999 Volume 02 : Number 315



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Ford Truck Enthusiasts - Performance
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In this issue:

Re: [Re: [FTE Perf - tires]]
Re: [RE: [FTE Perf - tires]]
Re: [RE: FTE Perf - almost 360]
FTE Perf - FE Cleveland swap
FTE Perf - Timing chain
Re: [Re: [FTE Perf - tires]]

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Date: 7 Dec 99 20:21:42 EST
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: [Re: [FTE Perf - tires]]

Jordan Dean wrote:
> =

> >
> >It'll do bad things to the class you'll be forced to run in! =



> Not true, you see there are no truck/suv SCCA classes, therefor we all =
(the

> truck / suv guys) always run in the same class (b/c no matter what all=
the

> other classes would whoop us)


OH!! well then by all means use the low profile tires and get K&N, Borla=
and
JET products to help you out some more. ;-) Just out of curiousity how =
do
the times of the small trucks compare to the 'wimpier' car classes?

Tim

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Date: 7 Dec 99 20:37:28 EST
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: [RE: [FTE Perf - tires]]

"William S. Hart" wrote:

> =

> Remember these are a 17" rim, the sidewall total is only about 4" (2 pe=
r
> side) What this means is that you can run lower pressures and still no=
t
> worry about sidewall intrusion ...

Of course the lower the profile the less 'forgiving' the tire as it appro=
aches
it's limits of cornering. I'm sure all us A-X people know that, but it b=
ears
reminding. Having seen a (borrowed!) Honda turned turtle from not airing=
up
the tires and charging the corner too hard during a run I'd rather err (a=
ir?)
on the side of caution.

> you go (40/40 or 45/45 or something similar) ... then put the shoe poli=
sh
on
> the corners where you expect rollover (I usually go from the tread on d=
own
> to a line on the sidewall where the tread really ends, its usually a se=
am
or
> something) then after your first run check the tire pressures quickly (=
as
> they will be warm and higher than when you started) and also check the =
shoe
> polish ... if you have worn off all of it, you need more air, if you
haven't
> touched any of it you need less ... remember a couple PSI goes a long w=
ays
> when you're talking cornering ...

Look at NASCAR; they talk about 1/2 PSI adjustments for handling.. I mig=
ht
suggest taking a pressure adjustment after the tire cools to get an idea =
of
the difference needed also if it's going to be a while before the next ru=
n.

Tim

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Date: 7 Dec 99 21:12:21 EST
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: [RE: FTE Perf - almost 360]

"William S. Hart" wrote:
> > If Ford can call a 4.9 liter a 5.0 liter
> =

> I still think Ford did this to avoid the confusion of having a 4.9L 6cy=
l
and
> a 4.9L V8 ... =


And I thank them for that! GM (Great Mistake) in the 80's had two 5.0s (=
Chevy
305& Olds 307), 2 2.0s (OHV & OHC) & 2 3.8s (229 & 231 CID). Some days i=
t
seems like I spend 1/2 my time trying to get the RIGHT part amongst those=

engines

not that having at least 5 litres to the 5.7 of the Camaro
> looked bad either :) Amazing how slow the Chubbie's 5.0's are though .=
=2E.

Too bad Ford never marketed a 5.8 'Tang! As I recall when we went to Lit=
ers
the 'new generation' Camaros were 5.0 and it was a few years later they
decided to drop in the TPI 5.7

> Wow, I'd never done the math before, but you're absolutely right ... I
> wonder also how many other manuf. work that way ? =


All of them.. round off for what you want. AMC/Jeep's 2.5 is basically
identical to the GM 2.5 but is 150 CID Vs GM's 151, 302-300=3D.1L for For=
d but
307-305=3D0L for GM, 350GM=3D5.7 but 351=3D5.8Ford yet 360=3D5.9Mopar! A=
nd we
criticize NASA for failing to translate Metrics properly once...

I can't believe Ford's
> the only one to actually inflate the size of their motors (I know they =
ALL
> inflate HP)

Interesting thing; look at the published HP/Torque ratings for 1970 engin=
es
Vs. 1971 engines. They didn't all drop 30-90+ "real" HP, just that the
testing was standardized and changed. There have been cases of manufactu=
rers
DEflating the HP claims for insurance/liability purposes but that's certa=
inly
rarer than INflation! :-)

Tim

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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 21:53:14 EST
From: JTLCON AOL.COM
Subject: FTE Perf - FE Cleveland swap

I am in the beginning processes of re-powering my ' 69 F-100 360 3spd. with
a 351 cleveland 4v together w/ the C-6 that came with it .Hope to begin the
cleveland rebuild after the 1st of the year and have it in operation by
April.However,since the cleveland was never a standard power plant I am not
certain what motor mounts I should use .I have been told a variety of stories
but have not actually talked to anybody that has done the mentioned swap.I
have no burning desire to do a lot of fabrication in the engine compartment
if that can be avoided ,but if that is what it takes so be it.I am very
certain that it is not so uncommon a swap because I've seen headers for that
application advertised.Sure could use some informed opinions.thanx in advance
for any and all help rendered .John Clearwater ,fl. jtlcon aol.com
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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 21:48:22 -0600
From: "Dave Morris"
Subject: FTE Perf - Timing chain

Does any one know if the newer EFI 460s use the same timing change as
the older ones that have a carb? The reason I have a 1970 F-250 with a
transplanted 460. Driving down the road its pretty mean. but when hooked
to a pulling sled it just wont open up. The man that built the motor
before I bought the truck said he used the new model timing chain. I was
telling a friend about this and he said the new chain could be my whole
problem. because the valve timing is about 4 deg. different.

Any help would be great!!!!
Dave


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Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 00:35:05 -0600
From: Jordan Dean
Subject: Re: [Re: [FTE Perf - tires]]

>
>
>OH!! well then by all means use the low profile tires and get K&N, Borla and
>JET products to help you out some more. ;-) Just out of curiousity how do
>the times of the small trucks compare to the 'wimpier' car classes?
well, ummm the whimpiest that ever have any showing are some f-stock cars
and they still get us by a pretty good margin (our courses are pretty
tough). hehe, already got the borla and the kustomz intake with a k&n :-)

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