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perf-list-digest Wednesday, November 3 1999 Volume 02 : Number 283



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Ford Truck Enthusiasts - Performance
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In this issue:

RE: FTE Perf - Starter Woes
FTE Perf - Oil slingers & M blocks
RE: FTE Perf - Suspension Upgrades
RE: FTE Perf - Suspension Upgrades
FTE Perf - You thought we had trouble finding parts...
RE: FTE Perf - Suspension Upgrades
Re: FTE Perf - Starter Woes
Re: FTE Perf - Starter Woes
Re: FTE Perf - Suspension Upgrades
RE: FTE Perf - Suspension Upgrades

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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 08:43:51 -0600
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Starter Woes

> The "new" starter works great when cold, but
> when hot, it pulls a ton of current (melted the solenoid).
>
> What is the best solution? P.A.W. has some high-torque rebuilts that
> sound pretty good. I've also wondered how well the racing starters work
> for daily drivers. Or, am i going to have this problem anyway from the
> starter being so close to the headers?

Likely the headers aren't helping things, but I'd guess the starter you have
now isn't really all that good ... double check all your connections to be
sure they are good (and the ends aren't corroded) sometimes the extra heat
from the motor is enough to stop it from working even though its the wires
themselves that are bad.

You might consider wrapping the starter with some sort of heat shielding
material, just as insurance next time you have it off ... that's the only
suggestion I can come up with ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 11:58:11 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: FTE Perf - Oil slingers & M blocks

Ok so I toddle on down to my local Ford Megadealer in search of the ever
elusive crankshaft oil slinger, the one that fits between the crank sprocket
and the timing cover. The short block I bought didn't have one but the cover
was already off when I got it so I figure it got lost. The parts guy looks
at the computer and tells me that while there is a picture of one in the
'puter, there's no part # associated with it. So we go to the book...same
results, his explanation is that the picture covers all motors including the
460 and maybe there isn't one for the 351M/400. The factory manual I have
doesn't mention it in the 351M/400 section but it doesn't in the 460 section
either. The Monroe/HP book and Haynes manuals do. Question: Do I need to
bust my butt searching for one of these things? Is it that critical? Has
anyone ever spotted one during an M block overhaul or does everybody just
swap in a 460?

TIA

Bill
"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"



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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:14:49 -0600
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Suspension Upgrades

> >>where as a small lift (a couple inches)
> The only thing I'm concerned about is the handling
> characteristics of a BII
> with a lift.

This may just be my personal opinion here, but I would think that any lift
worth its salt would leave the handling relatively unaffected ... htat is
there may be a slight increase in body roll and such, but if they are truly
meant for stock replacement type lifts they should maintain drivability on
the street ... that may be my weird "utopian" view on it, but I'm a handling
freak ... or is that just freak?


> This one was just dirt, moderately packed, tree lined, and with a
> small pond
> at the end. I was averaging probably around 40 or so, and that was plenty
> fast enough for powersliding around the turns (pretty hairy with the
> aforementioned trees). :)
>
I would think it would be pretty hairy anyway with that many people in a BII
... I can't wait to get snow this year so I can see how that 390 I just put
in my truck really does ... its pretty good acceleration and makes the truck
feel a lot lighter, so hopefully I'll still have enough traction to get it
to move :)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 16:00:38 -0500
From: J Cope
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Suspension Upgrades

>>that is there may be a slight increase in body roll and such

Thats exactly what I'm afraid of. I've never driven a BII with a lift, so I
really have no idea what the effects are. If anyone has driven a lifted BII
and would like to share, please do. If the handling effects aren't too bad,
I might reconsider...
Thanks!

JC

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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:13:36 -0600
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: FTE Perf - You thought we had trouble finding parts...

Check this guy out ...

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://hometown.aol.com/DaveYugo/UNDERDOG.html

Yes, that's right, a full race Yugo ...

Just my $.02
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96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:29:33 -0600
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Suspension Upgrades

If the handling effects
> aren't too bad,
> I might reconsider...
> Thanks!
>

Check the off-road list too, I know there are quite a few guys over there
with lifted BII's ...


Just my $.02
wish

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73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 17:59:18 -0600
From: "a b"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Starter Woes

My chev*lle with headers was bad to heat a starter and one fix was supposed to
be using a remote solonoid like ford. That didn't work, so I tried a starter
heat shield from Summit and no more "sit there for an hour" after stopping for
gas, etc.

> > The "new" starter works great when cold, but
> > when hot, it pulls a ton of current (melted the solenoid).
> >
> > What is the best solution? P.A.W. has some high-torque rebuilts that
> > sound pretty good. I've also wondered how well the racing starters work
> > for daily drivers. Or, am i going to have this problem anyway from the
> > starter being so close to the headers?
>
> Likely the headers aren't helping things, but I'd guess the starter you have
> now isn't really all that good ... double check all your connections to be
> sure they are good (and the ends aren't corroded) sometimes the extra heat
> from the motor is enough to stop it from working even though its the wires
> themselves that are bad.
>
> You might consider wrapping the starter with some sort of heat shielding
> material, just as insurance next time you have it off ... that's the only
> suggestion I can come up with ...
>
> Just my $.02
> wish
>
> 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
> 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish
>
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Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 17:34:37 -0800
From: George Miller
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Starter Woes

Hawkins Automotive wrote:

Or, am i going to have this problem anyway from the
> starter being so close to the headers? Any suggestions would be
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Charles

I had the same problems with headers around the starter on my 460.
Shutting down after a hard run in hot weather, unless it caught on the
first click, it was an hour wait to get it restarted. I went to an 1100
cranking amp battery and #1 battery cable from the battery to the
solenoid. At the same time, I replaced the solenoid, cable from solenoid
to starter (can't remember the gauge) and put in a new starter from
Autozone with free replacement for as long as you own the rig. No
problems since then.

George Miller
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Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 21:37:50 -0800
From: Adam McLaughlin
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Suspension Upgrades

It's a whole 'nuther world. Mine is a 1988 BII with a 3" james duff lift, dual
shocks on the front, and traction bars on the rear. Poly bushings everywhere,
steering stabilizer on the drag link, new ball joints and tie rod ends on the
front end. New BFG 31 x 10.50 tires. When teh big yelow sign says 15, that means
you do at most 10...

Adam

J Cope wrote:

> >>that is there may be a slight increase in body roll and such
>
> Thats exactly what I'm afraid of. I've never driven a BII with a lift, so I
> really have no idea what the effects are. If anyone has driven a lifted BII
> and would like to share, please do. If the handling effects aren't too bad,
> I might reconsider...
> Thanks!
>
> JC
>
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Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 01:01:12 -0500
From: J Cope
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Suspension Upgrades

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It's a whole 'nuther world. Mine is a 1988 BII with a 3" james duff lift,
dual
shocks on the front, and traction bars on the rear. Poly bushings
everywhere,
steering stabilizer on the drag link, new ball joints and tie rod ends on
the
front end. New BFG 31 x 10.50 tires. When teh big yelow sign says 15, that
means
you do at most 10...
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Thats what I was afraid of. Every so often I still like to pretend that my
BII is a Porsche. Stock, I can still swing it around hard enough to have
fun...
Of course, 3" is on the high side of what I would consider.......

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