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perf-list-digest Tuesday, November 2 1999 Volume 02 : Number 282



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Ford Truck Enthusiasts - Performance
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In this issue:

Re: FTE Perf - Suspension Upgrades
Re: FTE Perf - Hey Bronco Guys! (and other "stabilizer bar" installers)
RE: FTE Perf - Suspension Upgrades
Re: FTE Perf - Suspension Upgrades
RE: FTE Perf - Suspension Upgrades
RE: FTE Perf - Suspension Upgrades
FTE Perf - 79 f100 stearing
Re: FTE Perf - 79 f100 stearing
RE: FTE Perf - 79 f100 stearing
RE: FTE Perf - Suspension Upgrades
FTE Perf - Front axle help
FTE Perf - Starter Woes

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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 09:01:24 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Suspension Upgrades

>I have an '88 BII XLT and I'm looking to upgrade the suspension. I don't
>want a lift, and I don't really need on-the-fly adjustability, but the leafs
>are getting old enought that they're gonna need replacing, and I was
>wondering what I could do to beef up the suspension.
>Any suggestions are appreciated, but I don't want a lift.
>Thanks!


I'm not sure what all your options are, but likely you can get a hold
of a spring place that will put some together for you and minimize,
if not eliminate any lifting from the springs themselves. As for the
ride quality, I think that's more a function of the shocks being able
to handle the springs easily ... too little shock on a stiff spring
will leave you bouncing all over the place, and too much shock on a
light spring won't let things flex very quickly at all, I think
mitigating these two will give you the ride and flex you're looking
for ... and of course adjustables help here, but you don't need to
get them to be adjustable on the fly, just get some KYB's or
something similar depending on your usage of course ...


>
>10k tow hooks

Wow, no wonder you need suspension upgrades, those gotta weigh a lot :)

Just my $.02
wish

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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 10:31:06 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Hey Bronco Guys! (and other "stabilizer bar" installers)

>Are you talking small of large here?

Large .. the little one's (from the factory anyway) seem to use the
control arms as the mount for the end links ... so I couldn't use
those ...actually I could ... but use the frame as the
...hmmmm...there's a thought, then I could just drill a hole in the
bottom of the box section of the frame ... interesting idea :)



> This morning I had my anti-sway bars down


Well I dug around under mine this weekend, and I couldn't get the
drill in where I needed it, so I'm going to have to have someone cut
the holes for me :( oh well, on my list of things I need the shop to
cut holes for ...

Just my $.02
wish

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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 13:41:50 -0500
From: J Cope
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Suspension Upgrades

>>10k tow hooks
>
>Wow, no wonder you need suspension upgrades, those gotta weigh a lot :)

Seriously though, the main reason I'm considering this is because I had my
BII loaded up with 4 people last weekend, and we were tearing down a dirt
road through the woods, and every time I hit a sizeable bump (which was
rather frequently), my tires would rub some more paint off of the inside of
my wheel wells.

JC

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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 12:08:47 -0700
From: "Danger"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Suspension Upgrades

> Seriously though, the main reason I'm considering this is because I had my
> BII loaded up with 4 people last weekend, and we were tearing down a dirt
> road through the woods, and every time I hit a sizeable bump (which was
> rather frequently), my tires would rub some more paint off of the inside
of
> my wheel wells.
>
> JC
............

Do you have stock rims & tires? Is it possible for worn out springs to
produce the symtoms discribed with stock rims & tires? Seems like the
suspension would bottom out before the proper rims & tires would contact the
wheel wells.


Danger
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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 14:33:02 -0500
From: J Cope
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Suspension Upgrades

I have stock rims, but I have 30x9.5 BFG AT T/A KOs on them, which are quite
a bit larger than stock...

JC

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Do you have stock rims & tires? Is it possible for worn out springs to
produce the symtoms discribed with stock rims & tires? Seems like the
suspension would bottom out before the proper rims & tires would contact the
wheel wells.

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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 13:49:04 -0600
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Suspension Upgrades

> >>10k tow hooks
> >
> >Wow, no wonder you need suspension upgrades, those gotta weigh a lot :)
>
> Seriously though, the main reason I'm considering this is because I had my
> BII loaded up with 4 people last weekend, and we were tearing down a dirt
> road through the woods, and every time I hit a sizeable bump (which was
> rather frequently), my tires would rub some more paint off of the
> inside of
> my wheel wells.
>

It does sound like your current springs are lacking ... but I'm not sure a
stiffer spring is really the answer, it will make the ride without those
other three quite rough, where as a small lift (a couple inches) will allow
you the smoother ride along with the ability to carry those people without
bottoming out. It does sound like your tires must be over-sized quite a bit
to for those to hit the wheel wells and not have the suspension reach the
end of its travel ...

Just out of curiosity, how fast were you going down this "dirt road" ?
(Dirt roads out here are usually just mud and often times smoother than
gravlel!)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 15:53:09 -0500
From: "msaur"
Subject: FTE Perf - 79 f100 stearing

maybe someone could help me ? I had the king pins and drag link replaced on
my truck, I also put 4 new trail master shocks on,had an alignment done and
it still wonders all over the road. Why is this and is there anything I can
do to fix this.
msaur odyssey.on.ca

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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 14:49:50 -0700
From: "Danger"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - 79 f100 stearing

> maybe someone could help me ? I had the king pins and drag link replaced
on
> my truck, I also put 4 new trail master shocks on,had an alignment done
and
> it still wonders all over the road. Why is this and is there anything I
can
> do to fix this.
> msaur odyssey.on.ca
...............

How are the radius arm bushings? What type of rim & tire are you using?
It seems like tires designed for mud & offroad don't handle well on the
road. Have you checked for excess play in the steering gear box? You should
be able to rotate the input shaft back & forth on the gearbox and watch the
pitman arm at the same time.

Danger
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 15:59:15 -0600
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - 79 f100 stearing

> maybe someone could help me ? I had the king pins and drag link
> replaced on
> my truck, I also put 4 new trail master shocks on,had an
> alignment done and
> it still wonders all over the road. Why is this and is there
> anything I can
> do to fix this.


How much play do you have in the steering wheel ? The tie-rods could also
be worn... also what size of tire are you running ? A wide tire might add
to he wandering tendancies ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 17:49:15 -0500
From: J Cope
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Suspension Upgrades

>>where as a small lift (a couple inches)
The only thing I'm concerned about is the handling characteristics of a BII
with a lift. I've never had a problem with tipping, and I press my luck
regularly so I know the truck is more stable than most people think, but I
don't want to have to crawl around highway offramps either...

>>Just out of curiosity, how fast were you going down this "dirt road" ?
>>(Dirt roads out here are usually just mud and often times smoother than
>>gravlel!)

This one was just dirt, moderately packed, tree lined, and with a small pond
at the end. I was averaging probably around 40 or so, and that was plenty
fast enough for powersliding around the turns (pretty hairy with the
aforementioned trees). :)

JC
'88 BII XLT
10k tow hooks
40ch CB
Removed airbox
K&N
Light bar
Headlight Stone Guards
30x9.5 BFG A/T TA KOs
Empty Brackets That Used To Be Fog lights
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 20:22:22 -0600
From: "Joel Thomas"
Subject: FTE Perf - Front axle help

I have a 1984 F-150 with the TTB front IFS axle
what all is involved in putting the Dana44 out of a
70's truck in the place of the TTB,
I already know how to get the TTB out but will the other bolt up okay
besides maybe changing the radius arm brackets and will the coil springs
bolt up??

thanks

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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 20:42:13 -0600
From: "Hawkins Automotive"
Subject: FTE Perf - Starter Woes

I have a '76 F-250 i pulled a blown (thrown rod, cracked block) 390 out
of and put in a 460 from a Lincoln. In the process, i used the starter
from the 390. That was a few years ago. I can't remember now if it was
because i didn't want to rewire for the starter mounted solenoid or if
it was a header clearance problem. In any event, the starter worked
fine for a year or two. The p.s. pump and the radiator went bad and i
ran out of money so the truck had to sit a while. I finally got it
running again recently but the starter went bad so i got a rebuilt one.
(Heard this one before?) The "new" starter works great when cold, but
when hot, it pulls a ton of current (melted the solenoid).

What is the best solution? P.A.W. has some high-torque rebuilts that
sound pretty good. I've also wondered how well the racing starters work
for daily drivers. Or, am i going to have this problem anyway from the....


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