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perf-list-digest Thursday, October 21 1999 Volume 02 : Number 271



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In this issue:

RE: FTE Perf - Edelbrock Intake
RE: FTE Perf - Door seals
FTE Perf - FW: FTE 97up - F-150 99L/44E [4R100 tranny] The party's over...
Re: FTE Perf - FW: FTE 97up - F-150 99L/44E [4R100 tranny] The party's over...
RE: FTE Perf - party's over...
Re: FTE Perf - FW: FTE 97up - F-150 99L/44E [4R100 tranny] The party's over...
Re: FTE Perf - Door seals
FTE Perf - Re: FW: FTE 97up - F-150 99L/44E [4R100 tranny] The party's over...
RE: FTE Perf - FW: FTE 97up - F-150 99L/44E [4R100 tranny] The p arty's over...
Re: FTE Perf - Door seals
RE: FTE Perf - FW: FTE 97up - F-150 99L/44E [4R100 tranny] The p arty's over...
RE: FTE Perf - FW: FTE 97up - F-150 99L/44E [4R100 tranny] The p arty's over...

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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 08:27:43 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Edelbrock Intake

> Anybody running a Edelbrock intake on thier FE?
> Any problems?

I think Gary mentioned something about the dist. hole on the other list, but
check the valve cover bolt too, if that's stripped you'll have to come up
with some other way to fasten the valve cover ... or fix the stripped hole
...

> Only thing that guy selling it knows is that it is a single 4bbl
> manifold off a 390,it is in "excellent"condition and he wants $50.
> I realize some mods will be nessarary to linkage etc.

What linkage ? The throttle ? I put a holley on my truck and everything
bolted right up, no problems, that was using a stock intake (from a 65
Galaxie), but it was still no problem to hook up ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 08:28:55 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Door seals

> > Thanks for the info, how did you order them, calling it in, through the
> > mail, or through the internet? Also, how much did you pay for
> them, and was
> > it for just the doors, or for the car too where the door shuts. thanks

Uhm ... there's only one door seal on these old trucks ... depending what
year you're talkin of course ... but at any rate that whole "2 seal" idea is
relatively new ... I've thought about trying to mimick that on my truck
though ... cut down on the wind noise and such .... hmmm.... :)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:46:06 -0500
From: jmann living.com
Subject: FTE Perf - FW: FTE 97up - F-150 99L/44E [4R100 tranny] The party's over...

Ok Guys,

The fight for the 4R100 (code 44E) transmission on my 2000 F150 5.4 SC
Flareside Lariat 4x4 is over, and I lost. My last ditch effort was to try
to order the CA Emissions pkg., code 422, which would give me the stronger
tranny. But that didn't work either. I even spoke with a "supervisor" at
Ford Customer Service and told him I would be relocated to CA in 2 two 3
months and he told me that it could be done and even recommended I do it so
that I wouldn't have to pay the CA emissions penalty. But the dealer here in
Austin, Covert Ford, still came back and said I needed to have a permanent
address in CA.

I give! I'll just live with the 4R70W tranny and just hope it survives the
Kenne Bell Supercharger (an extra 80 hp).

Thanks for your earlier help and advise guys!!

Joe


- -----Original Message-----
From: Dean Baruffi [mailto:dean.baruffi yale.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 6:51 AM
To: jmann living.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - F-150 99L/44E

Joe,

Take a look at this website. Look at the 2000 F-150 info. On page 10 of the
2000f150.pdf file is says that with order code 93N, Vehicles MUST be
registered in California or Northeast States. Since you live in Texas, you
might want to ask your dealer about his? In the same paragraph, it says that
this is for vehicles not being delivered to California or Northeast States.
Since my vehicle will be delivered to a Northeast State, I hope I don't have
a problem. It's already on my order!

- -Dean


http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.downsford.com/orderguide.htm



At 03:32 PM 10/11/99 -0500, you
wrote:
>I'm trying to find out what is included (what they do to the truck) with
the
>CA emissions.
>
>I'm going to call a couple of CA dealers tonight.
>
>Joe
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dean Baruffi [mailto:dean.baruffi yale.edu]

>Sent: Monday, October 11, 1999 3:04 PM
>To: jmann living.com
>Subject: RE: FTE 97up - F-150 99L/44E
>
>I should have checked my mail first. I saw your change-in-telephone number
>message as I sent you this message.
>
>Thanks. I just called them and they need my order number which I don't
>have. If I have to get Cal emissions to get the 44E, I will.
>
>-Dean
>
>
>At 02:55 PM 10/11/99 -0500, you wrote:
>>Hey Dean, sorry about that. I posted a correction about six messages ago.
>>Here's a copy of it. I have NO idea where I got that number.
>>
>>Joe
>>
>>WOW, WRONG NUMBER!!!
>>
>>I gave you guys the wrong number to Ford Customer Service, it should be
>>800-392-3673.
>>
>>Oops...
>>
>>Joe
>>
>>PS: My dealer just called me and said he can't order the truck with the
44E
>>unless it's with the CA. emissions package!! I'll call Ford again.
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Dean Baruffi [mailto:dean.baruffi yale.edu]

>>Sent: Monday, October 11, 1999 2:37 PM
>>To: jmann living.com
>>Subject: RE: FTE 97up - F-150 99L/44E
>>
>>I tried the number you gave below but did not get Ford. I got an AC
>>company.
>>
>>Can you please check the number?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Dean Baruffi
>>
>>At 10:14 AM 10/11/99 -0500, you wrote:
>>>Call Ford Customer Service at 800-426-1283 and ask them about it. I spoke
>>>with them last week and they confirmed that it was possible to order the
>>44E
>>>on my 2000 F-150 Lariat SC Flareside 4x4. But I don't know about 4x2s.
>>>
>>>Joe
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Dean Baruffi [mailto:dean.baruffi yale.edu]

>>>Sent: Monday, October 11, 1999 6:36 AM
>>>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>>>Subject: FTE 97up - F-150 99L/44E
>>>
>>>After several attemps to get the 44E transmission with my 2000 F-150
5.4L,
>>>the dealer and I came up unsuccessful.
>>>
>>>First we tried it with an XLT SC, Sport, 2WD. But the factory said you
>>>cannot have the 44E with the 17" wheels. Then I tried a Lariat SC, 2WD
>but
>>>the Lariat comes with 17" wheels as well. The order gets rejected at the
>>>factory because of the 17" wheels (at least that's what the dealer says.)
>>>
>>>Any truth to this? I would like to go back and tell my dealer he is doing
>>>something wrong.
>>>
>>>I really don't want the 44U tranny on my order.
>>>
>>>-Dean Baruffi
>>>
>>>
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>>
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 10:17:26 -0700
From: "LS"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - FW: FTE 97up - F-150 99L/44E [4R100 tranny] The party's over...

Hey Joe,
I just called two local ford dealers and explained as much of your
situation
as I could and the reply was this........you could place your order through
any
california dealer and then then only additional cost would be destination
charges. Your biggest problem with this would be to either come to
California
to close your deal or have a Power of Attorney but, considering your
position
on such a truck, if you dont want to settle for what they'll give you ( I
wouldnt either)
I would hop a cheap flight into Ontario or Burbank and close your deal.
Also, just as an added note, as of 1989 all vehicles must meet federal
emission
standards. There is no physical difference that I am aware of in the
manufacturing
of vehicles. Matter of fact you could go to your local dealer and look at
the
emmisions sticker under the hood and read for yourself that the vehicle
meets
CA emission stds.

Lance
72 Mustang Convertable (Show Car)
87 Bronco
93 T-Bird

- ----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 1999 9:46 AM
Subject: FTE Perf - FW: FTE 97up - F-150 99L/44E [4R100 tranny] The party's
over...


> Ok Guys,
>
> The fight for the 4R100 (code 44E) transmission on my 2000 F150 5.4 SC
> Flareside Lariat 4x4 is over, and I lost. My last ditch effort was to try
> to order the CA Emissions pkg., code 422, which would give me the stronger
> tranny. But that didn't work either. I even spoke with a "supervisor" at
> Ford Customer Service and told him I would be relocated to CA in 2 two 3
> months and he told me that it could be done and even recommended I do it
so
> that I wouldn't have to pay the CA emissions penalty. But the dealer here
in
> Austin, Covert Ford, still came back and said I needed to have a permanent
> address in CA.
>
> I give! I'll just live with the 4R70W tranny and just hope it survives
the
> Kenne Bell Supercharger (an extra 80 hp).
>
> Thanks for your earlier help and advise guys!!
>
> Joe
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dean Baruffi [mailto:dean.baruffi yale.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 6:51 AM
> To: jmann living.com
> Subject: RE: FTE 97up - F-150 99L/44E
>
> Joe,
>
> Take a look at this website. Look at the 2000 F-150 info. On page 10 of
the
> 2000f150.pdf file is says that with order code 93N, Vehicles MUST be
> registered in California or Northeast States. Since you live in Texas, you
> might want to ask your dealer about his? In the same paragraph, it says
that
> this is for vehicles not being delivered to California or Northeast
States.
> Since my vehicle will be delivered to a Northeast State, I hope I don't
have
> a problem. It's already on my order!
>
> -Dean
>
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.downsford.com/orderguide.htm
>
>
>
> At 03:32 PM 10/11/99 -0500, you
> wrote:
> >I'm trying to find out what is included (what they do to the truck) with
> the
> >CA emissions.
> >
> >I'm going to call a couple of CA dealers tonight.
> >
> >Joe
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Dean Baruffi [mailto:dean.baruffi yale.edu]
>
> >Sent: Monday, October 11, 1999 3:04 PM
> >To: jmann living.com
> >Subject: RE: FTE 97up - F-150 99L/44E
> >
> >I should have checked my mail first. I saw your change-in-telephone
number
> >message as I sent you this message.
> >
> >Thanks. I just called them and they need my order number which I don't
> >have. If I have to get Cal emissions to get the 44E, I will.
> >
> >-Dean
> >
> >
> >At 02:55 PM 10/11/99 -0500, you wrote:
> >>Hey Dean, sorry about that. I posted a correction about six messages
ago.
> >>Here's a copy of it. I have NO idea where I got that number.
> >>
> >>Joe
> >>
> >>WOW, WRONG NUMBER!!!
> >>
> >>I gave you guys the wrong number to Ford Customer Service, it should be
> >>800-392-3673.
> >>
> >>Oops...
> >>
> >>Joe
> >>
> >>PS: My dealer just called me and said he can't order the truck with the
> 44E
> >>unless it's with the CA. emissions package!! I'll call Ford again.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Dean Baruffi [mailto:dean.baruffi yale.edu]
>
> >>Sent: Monday, October 11, 1999 2:37 PM
> >>To: jmann living.com
> >>Subject: RE: FTE 97up - F-150 99L/44E
> >>
> >>I tried the number you gave below but did not get Ford. I got an AC
> >>company.
> >>
> >>Can you please check the number?
> >>
> >>Thanks,
> >>
> >>Dean Baruffi
> >>
> >>At 10:14 AM 10/11/99 -0500, you wrote:
> >>>Call Ford Customer Service at 800-426-1283 and ask them about it. I
spoke
> >>>with them last week and they confirmed that it was possible to order
the
> >>44E
> >>>on my 2000 F-150 Lariat SC Flareside 4x4. But I don't know about 4x2s.
> >>>
> >>>Joe
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>From: Dean Baruffi [mailto:dean.baruffi yale.edu]
>
> >>>Sent: Monday, October 11, 1999 6:36 AM
> >>>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> >>>Subject: FTE 97up - F-150 99L/44E
> >>>
> >>>After several attemps to get the 44E transmission with my 2000 F-150
> 5.4L,
> >>>the dealer and I came up unsuccessful.
> >>>
> >>>First we tried it with an XLT SC, Sport, 2WD. But the factory said you
> >>>cannot have the 44E with the 17" wheels. Then I tried a Lariat SC, 2WD
> >but
> >>>the Lariat comes with 17" wheels as well. The order gets rejected at
the
> >>>factory because of the 17" wheels (at least that's what the dealer
says.)
> >>>
> >>>Any truth to this? I would like to go back and tell my dealer he is
doing
> >>>something wrong.
> >>>
> >>>I really don't want the 44U tranny on my order.
> >>>
> >>>-Dean Baruffi
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>
> >
>
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 13:47:28 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - party's over...

Not that I would ever condone the misuse of truth (or lies), but do you
have any friends in Ca that you could use their address on a temp basis?
Kevin

- ----------
From: jmann living.com[SMTP:jmann living.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 1999 12:46 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Cc: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE Perf - FW: FTE 97up - F-150 99L/44E [4R100 tranny] The
party's over...

Snipped------

. But the dealer here in
Austin, Covert Ford, still came back and said I needed to have a permanent
address in CA.

I give! I'll just live with the 4R70W tranny and just hope it survives the
Kenne Bell Supercharger (an extra 80 hp).

Thanks for your earlier help and advise guys!!

Joe




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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:00:35 EDT
From: FLR150 AOL.COM
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - FW: FTE 97up - F-150 99L/44E [4R100 tranny] The party's over...

Joe,
I must have missed your earlier post on this subject. I also have the 4R70W
trans. in my 300+ HP 5.0 powered 1994 Supercab. I contacted Art Carr about
the problems with this transmission. In reality this trans. is actually an
AODE with a better 1st gear ratio. The total parts cost to make this tranny
virtually bulletproof was a little over $500 and then of course you have to
figure in the labor to install it. The rebuild kit basically contained a
stronger drum assembly with more clutches, Torrington bearings and other
internal parts, it also would be a wise idea to buy the Art Carr valve body
kit. I made the mistake of putting in the Transgo kit and I am not really
happy with it. I sold the Art Carr kit to a buddy of mine for his 4R70W and
after installation the tranny woke right up. It shifts better then my Transgo
equipped trans. and the temps stay steady, whereas mine has various temp
readings. If you want more info and part numbers, Email me off list and I can
send them to you.
Again my 5.0 is putting out over 300+ HP to the rear wheels and I have yet to
have a problem with the trans. since the rebuild using the Art Carr parts. I
compete in the Fun Ford Weekend Top Truck class, 2nd in the points for the
nation, and also race my truck regularly on the weekends. Plus I am a
Maintenance Supervisor for an apartment complex and have my truck loaded
regularly.
Hope I have helped,
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
Wayne's Page
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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:17:07 -0700
From: mega55
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Door seals

The ones I purchased from JC Whitney looked identical to the original
equipment I replaced.

George Miller

scott mickelson wrote:
>
> I haven't bought any my self, but I was told that it is worth the extra
> money to buy ford oem seals rather than the ones from jc whitney the oem are
> alot better quality
>
> >From: "James D"
> >Reply-To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
> >To:
> >Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Door seals
> >Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 07:21:43 -0700
> >
> >Thanks for the info, how did you order them, calling it in, through the
> >mail, or through the internet? Also, how much did you pay for them, and
> >was
> >it for just the doors, or for the car too where the door shuts. thanks
> >
> > > I bought door seals, at the recommendation of a friend who owns an
> > > upholstery shop, from JC Whitney. Perfect match on an '82 Bronco.
> > >
> > > George Miller
> > >
> > > Danger wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > anyone know where I can get some seals for my doors and windows in
> >my
> >79
> > > > > E-150? Preferably inexpensive ones
> > > > ....................
> > > >
> > > > Somebody mentioned earlier that by taking a small sample piece
> >with
> >them
> > > > to the auto parts store (Checker, Autozone, Napa....) they were able
> >to
> > > > match it to something similar for a reasonable price.
> > > >
> > > > Danger
> > > > danger csolutions.net
> > > >
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 16:34:08 -500
From: raluey perigee.net
Subject: FTE Perf - Re: FW: FTE 97up - F-150 99L/44E [4R100 tranny] The party's over...

Slightly off subject- I noticed your comment about adding the Kenne Bell blower.


I have a 99 5.4L expedition- which, btw, has the 4R100 transmission- and have
studying supercharger options for a month or so with a view towards doing something
next year.

Would you mind sharing some thoughts on your choice of the Kenne Bell unit and
what you may have rejected along the way?

One apparently attractive alternative I have considered is the package offered
by Allen Engine (www.allenengine.com) which includes an Eaton blower with bypass
valve, manifold and integral water to air intercooler. Package price is about

the same as the Kenne Bell.

Any comments appreciated.

Thanks,
>
>Bob




>Ok Guys,
>
>The fight for the 4R100 (code 44E) transmission on my 2000 F150 5.4 SC
>Flareside Lariat 4x4 is over, and I lost. My last ditch effort was to try

>to order the CA Emissions pkg., code 422, which would give me the stronger

>tranny. But that didn't work either. I even spoke with a "supervisor" at
>Ford Customer Service and told him I would be relocated to CA in 2 two 3
>months and he told me that it could be done and even recommended I do it so

>that I wouldn't have to pay the CA emissions penalty. But the dealer here in

>Austin, Covert Ford, still came back and said I needed to have a permanent

>address in CA.
>
>I give! I'll just live with the 4R70W tranny and just hope it survives the

>Kenne Bell Supercharger (an extra 80 hp).
>
>Thanks for your earlier help and advise guys!!
>
>Joe
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dean Baruffi [mailto:dean.baruffi yale.edu]
>Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 6:51 AM
>To: jmann living.com
>Subject: RE: FTE 97up - F-150 99L/44E
>
>Joe,
>
>Take a look at this website. Look at the 2000 F-150 info. On page 10 of the

>2000f150.pdf file is says that with order code 93N, Vehicles MUST be
>registered in California or Northeast States. Since you live in Texas, you

>might want to ask your dealer about his? In the same paragraph, it says that

>this is for vehicles not being delivered to California or Northeast States.

>Since my vehicle will be delivered to a Northeast State, I hope I don't have

>a problem. It's already on my order!
>
>-Dean
>
>
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.downsford.com/orderguide.htm
>
>
>
> At 03:32 PM 10/11/99 -0500, you

>wrote:
>>I'm trying to find out what is included (what they do to the truck) with
>the
>>CA emissions.
>>
>>I'm going to call a couple of CA dealers tonight.
>>
>>Joe
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Dean Baruffi [mailto:dean.baruffi yale.edu]
>
>>Sent: Monday, October 11, 1999 3:04 PM
>>To: jmann living.com
>>Subject: RE: FTE 97up - F-150 99L/44E
>>
>>I should have checked my mail first. I saw your change-in-telephone number

>>message as I sent you this message.
>>
>>Thanks. I just called them and they need my order number which I don't
>>have. If I have to get Cal emissions to get the 44E, I will.
>>
>>-Dean
>>
>>
>>At 02:55 PM 10/11/99 -0500, you wrote:
>>>Hey Dean, sorry about that. I posted a correction about six messages ago.

>>>Here's a copy of it. I have NO idea where I got that number.
>>>
>>>Joe
>>>
>>>WOW, WRONG NUMBER!!!
>>>
>>>I gave you guys the wrong number to Ford Customer Service, it should be
>>>800-392-3673.
>>>
>>>Oops...
>>>
>>>Joe
>>>
>>>PS: My dealer just called me and said he can't order the truck with the
>44E
>>>unless it's with the CA. emissions package!! I'll call Ford again.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Dean Baruffi [mailto:dean.baruffi yale.edu]
>
>>>Sent: Monday, October 11, 1999 2:37 PM
>>>To: jmann living.com
>>>Subject: RE: FTE 97up - F-150 99L/44E
>>>
>>>I tried the number you gave below but did not get Ford. I got an AC
>>>company.
>>>
>>>Can you please check the number?
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>>Dean Baruffi
>>>
>>>At 10:14 AM 10/11/99 -0500, you wrote:
>>>>Call Ford Customer Service at 800-426-1283 and ask them about it. I spoke

>>>>with them last week and they confirmed that it was possible to order the

>>>44E
>>>>on my 2000 F-150 Lariat SC Flareside 4x4. But I don't know about 4x2s.
>>>>
>>>>Joe
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Dean Baruffi [mailto:dean.baruffi yale.edu]
>
>>>>Sent: Monday, October 11, 1999 6:36 AM
>>>>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>>>>Subject: FTE 97up - F-150 99L/44E
>>>>
>>>>After several attemps to get the 44E transmission with my 2000 F-150
>5.4L,
>>>>the dealer and I came up unsuccessful.
>>>>
>>>>First we tried it with an XLT SC, Sport, 2WD. But the factory said you
>>>>cannot have the 44E with the 17" wheels. Then I tried a Lariat SC, 2WD
>>but
>>>>the Lariat comes with 17" wheels as well. The order gets rejected at the

>>>>factory because of the 17" wheels (at least that's what the dealer says.)

>>>>
>>>>Any truth to this? I would like to go back and tell my dealer he is doing

>>>>something wrong.
>>>>
>>>>I really don't want the 44U tranny on my order.
>>>>
>>>>-Dean Baruffi
>>>>
>>>>
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 17:31:35 -0500
From: jmann living.com
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - FW: FTE 97up - F-150 99L/44E [4R100 tranny] The p arty's over...

Interesting idea, but I don't know that what the 4R100 would give me is
worth that much trouble.

What I can't figure out is why they put the 4R100 in the CA truck and the
4R70W in all the others, accept maybe in the North Eastern States. What the
in the hecks the difference?

Joe


- -----Original Message-----
From: LS [mailto:spirit4 qnet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 1999 12:17 PM
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - FW: FTE 97up - F-150 99L/44E [4R100 tranny]
The party's over...

Hey Joe,
I just called two local ford dealers and explained as much of your
situation
as I could and the reply was this........you could place your order through
any
california dealer and then then only additional cost would be destination
charges. Your biggest problem with this would be to either come to
California
to close your deal or have a Power of Attorney but, considering your
position
on such a truck, if you dont want to settle for what they'll give you ( I
wouldnt either)
I would hop a cheap flight into Ontario or Burbank and close your deal.
Also, just as an added note, as of 1989 all vehicles must meet federal
emission
standards. There is no physical difference that I am aware of in the
manufacturing
of vehicles. Matter of fact you could go to your local dealer and look at
the
emmisions sticker under the hood and read for yourself that the vehicle
meets
CA emission stds.

Lance
72 Mustang Convertable (Show Car)
87 Bronco
93 T-Bird

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Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 1999 9:46 AM
Subject: FTE Perf - FW: FTE 97up - F-150 99L/44E [4R100 tranny] The party's
over...


> Ok Guys,
>
> The fight for the 4R100 (code 44E) transmission on my 2000 F150 5.4 SC
> Flareside Lariat 4x4 is over, and I lost. My last ditch effort was to try
> to order the CA Emissions pkg., code 422, which would give me the stronger
> tranny. But that didn't work either. I even spoke with a "supervisor" at
> Ford Customer Service and told him I would be relocated to CA in 2 two 3
> months and he told me that it could be done and even recommended I do it
so
> that I wouldn't have to pay the CA emissions penalty. But the dealer here
in
> Austin, Covert Ford, still came back and said I needed to have a permanent
> address in CA.
>
> I give! I'll just live with the 4R70W tranny and just hope it survives
the
> Kenne Bell Supercharger (an extra 80 hp).
>
> Thanks for your earlier help and advise guys!!
>
> Joe
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dean Baruffi [mailto:dean.baruffi yale.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 6:51 AM
> To: jmann living.com
> Subject: RE: FTE 97up - F-150 99L/44E
>
> Joe,
>
> Take a look at this website. Look at the 2000 F-150 info. On page 10 of
the
> 2000f150.pdf file is says that with order code 93N, Vehicles MUST be
> registered in California or Northeast States. Since you live in Texas, you
> might want to ask your dealer about his? In the same paragraph, it says
that
> this is for vehicles not being delivered to California or Northeast
States.
> Since my vehicle will be delivered to a Northeast State, I hope I don't
have
> a problem. It's already on my order!
>
> -Dean
>
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.downsford.com/orderguide.htm
>
>
>
> At 03:32 PM 10/11/99 -0500, you
> wrote:
> >I'm trying to find out what is included (what they do to the truck) with
> the
> >CA emissions.
> >
> >I'm going to call a couple of CA dealers tonight.
> >
> >Joe
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Dean Baruffi [mailto:dean.baruffi yale.edu]
>
> >Sent: Monday, October 11, 1999 3:04 PM
> >To: jmann living.com
> >Subject: RE: FTE 97up - F-150 99L/44E
> >
> >I should have checked my mail first. I saw your change-in-telephone
number
> >message as I sent you this message.
> >
> >Thanks. I just called them and they need my order number which I don't
> >have. If I have to get Cal emissions to get the 44E, I will.
> >
> >-Dean
> >
> >
> >At 02:55 PM 10/11/99 -0500, you wrote:
> >>Hey Dean, sorry about that. I posted a correction about six messages
ago.
> >>Here's a copy of it. I have NO idea where I got that number.
> >>
> >>Joe
> >>
> >>WOW, WRONG NUMBER!!!
> >>
> >>I gave you guys the wrong number to Ford Customer Service, it should be
> >>800-392-3673.
> >>
> >>Oops...
> >>
> >>Joe
> >>
> >>PS: My dealer just called me and said he can't order the truck with the
> 44E
> >>unless it's with the CA. emissions package!! I'll call Ford again.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Dean Baruffi [mailto:dean.baruffi yale.edu]
>
> >>Sent: Monday, October 11, 1999 2:37 PM
> >>To: jmann living.com
> >>Subject: RE: FTE 97up - F-150 99L/44E
> >>
> >>I tried the number you gave below but did not get Ford. I got an AC
> >>company.
> >>
> >>Can you please check the number?
> >>
> >>Thanks,
> >>
> >>Dean Baruffi
> >>
> >>At 10:14 AM 10/11/99 -0500, you wrote:
> >>>Call Ford Customer Service at 800-426-1283 and ask them about it. I
spoke
> >>>with them last week and they confirmed that it was possible to order
the
> >>44E
> >>>on my 2000 F-150 Lariat SC Flareside 4x4. But I don't know about 4x2s.
> >>>
> >>>Joe
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>From: Dean Baruffi [mailto:dean.baruffi yale.edu]
>
> >>>Sent: Monday, October 11, 1999 6:36 AM
> >>>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> >>>Subject: FTE 97up - F-150 99L/44E
> >>>
> >>>After several attemps to get the 44E transmission with my 2000 F-150
> 5.4L,
> >>>the dealer and I came up unsuccessful.
> >>>
> >>>First we tried it with an XLT SC, Sport, 2WD. But the factory said you
> >>>cannot have the 44E with the 17" wheels. Then I tried a Lariat SC, 2WD
> >but
> >>>the Lariat comes with 17" wheels as well. The order gets rejected at
the
> >>>factory because of the 17" wheels (at least that's what the dealer
says.)
> >>>
> >>>Any truth to this? I would like to go back and tell my dealer he is
doing
> >>>something wrong.
> >>>
> >>>I really don't want the 44U tranny on my order.
> >>>
> >>>-Dean Baruffi
> >>>
> >>>
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 19:11:18 EDT
From: WJeff43 AOL.COM
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Door seals

Try AutoKrafters or Dennis Carpenter Reproductions. Bill Jeffreys
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 19:07:46 -0500
From: jmann living.com
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - FW: FTE 97up - F-150 99L/44E [4R100 tranny] The p arty's over...

THAT'S GREAT Wayne!

Yes please send me the info on the kits you used. Send them to the list,
I'm sure the guys will be interested.

My only concern is she's gona be a 4x4 and I worry about the transfer case.
Can I bullet proof that?

I look at it this way, I'm not going to be towing very often, so I figure
the occasional heavy foot on the unladen S-charged 5.4 Triton
(~350hp/400+ft/lbs) hopefully wont do anymore than a long haul up a steep
hill with a 3500Lbs. boat on the back. Sound like a valid thought, or am I
on crack?

Joe



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From: FLR150 AOL.COM [mailto:FLR150 AOL.COM]
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 1999 1:01 PM
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - FW: FTE 97up - F-150 99L/44E [4R100 tranny]
The party's over...

Joe,
I must have missed your earlier post on this subject. I also have the 4R70W
trans. in my 300+ HP 5.0 powered 1994 Supercab. I contacted Art Carr about
the problems with this transmission. In reality this trans. is actually an
AODE with a better 1st gear ratio. The total parts cost to make this tranny

virtually bulletproof was a little over $500 and then of course you have to
figure in the labor to install it. The rebuild kit basically contained a
stronger drum assembly with more clutches, Torrington bearings and other
internal parts, it also would be a wise idea to buy the Art Carr valve body....

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