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perf-list-digest Monday, October 11 1999 Volume 02 : Number 261



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In this issue:

FTE Perf - 429/460 swap in a pre 79 PU
FTE Perf - Re: [FTE Small - ADMIN: Second FTE server]
FTE Perf - ADMIN: Trying to contact the following people
FTE Perf - Little Blue Smoke
Re: FTE Perf - Little Blue Smoke
Re: FTE Perf - Little Blue Smoke
Re: FTE Perf - Little Blue Smoke
Re: FTE Perf - Little Blue Smoke

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Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 14:17:26 +0200
From: "Greg Schnakenberg"
Subject: FTE Perf - 429/460 swap in a pre 79 PU

In the late 70's i swapped a 429 CJ into a 67 F100 Ranger. for mounts I
used 460 mounts and supports from a '75 F350. I'm not sure what years came
with 460's, but I do know that somewhere before '79 ford offered a 460 in
the F 250 and F350. I bought these parts directly from Ford. I had to
drill new mounting holes for the supports, but other than that, it was a
direct swap. I ran a C6 for a while, which was no problem either, I used
the stock 6 banger cross member.

Later, I decided to swap to a toploader 4 speed. that was a bit more
difficult for ford had not offered that combo in a truck. so, I obtained a
bellhousing from a CJ Torino. the only problem was with the throwout
bearing. The only clutch disc I could get had a large distance between the
fingers. the standard toploader had a smaller imput shaft, and smaller
throwout bearing. the throwout bearing barely caught the clutch fingers,
but I never had problems with it, even when I shifted at 7000 RPM!

Because mine was a longbed, it had a carrier bearing. what did was i got
rid of it, and made a heavyduty one piece driveshaft. I always had U joint
problems however, at least until I installed heavyduty lakewood joints.
This was the only weak link I found in this combo. once the rear joint came
apart in a 7000 rpm shift. the force of the driveshaft hitting the pavement
busted the toploader case in half, and broke off all the mounting tabs. half
the driveshaft came flying out, ripping up the quarter panel with it. it
landed about 100 yards away in a field. Ah, those were the days!

Clutch linkage was a bitof a problem, but with a little bit of work I
managed to adapt it by mounting the pivot on a bracket that bolted to one of
the bellhousing bolts. It never gave me any trouble.

Headers were a direct fit as well, and I could even remove the starter
without taking the header loose! (my friend with a 289 had to loosen his to
get his off!)

so, thats about it, I really never looked at it as a swap per se, but rather
an upgrade, using all ford parts. For me, a swap always consisted of
something more like a 460 in a Yugo, thats a real swap!

good rodding, cruzing, mudding or whatever you do,
Greg '61 stepside (flareside is a name for trucks without running boards!)

ps, I had to pound the trans tunnel up a bit for the C6 to clear, perhaps
using a trans tunnel for a granny with the shifter hole plugged up would
have been cleaner.
>
>Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 09:45:59 -0700
>From: "Chris Samuel"
>Subject: FTE Perf - Looking for info...
>
>I would like to compile in one place all of our experiences involving the
>429/460 into the pre 79 "F" Series and Bronco's. Not so much a FAQ as an
>outline of what we have done, what worked and what didn't (if any).
>If you have done this swap in the past, or are doing it now, would you take
>a second and list out what you have done, who's parts you used, what
>modifications you had to make, or wish you had made! Also the modifications
>that you wish you had not made. I am not looking for engine modifications
>just the ones that you made to the truck to install the engine.
>You can include as much or little info as you like, From just an: I used
>this... and it rocks (or stinks), to all of the details, prices, and
>pictures.
>Any one who contributes will be acknowledged appropriately.
>
>Please if you are so inclined reply directly, so we don't burn bandwidth,
>and so I can keep things organized.
>
>Thanks.
>Muel
>AFTE
>79 Bronco
>75 Highboy 385 Series
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Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 13:54:50 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Perf - Re: [FTE Small - ADMIN: Second FTE server]

At 05:31 AM 10/6/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Date: 5 Oct 99 23:00:31 EDT
>From: Tim Turner
>Subject: Re: [FTE Small - ADMIN: Second FTE server]
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>Ken Payne wrote:
> > Here we grow again!
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>Congrats Ken! I'm enjoying watching the site grow. As a former SySop of =
>a BBS
>I know the pains and costs involved (and time!!!)


Ahhhh..... the good old days! I remember setting up a demon
dialer to blitz my favorite have dozen BBS's trying to
connect. In many ways, I miss those days (I was the caller,
not the SYSOP so I had it easy!).


>You're doing well and =
>have
>the right attitude toward the users and the business. :-)

The Golden Rule works in all situations.


> > the mailing lists free from ads. The sale will be conducted
> > on the web site, not the lists.
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>And from my perspective of knowing a fraction of what it must take to be =
>world
>wide Vs. local I urge all the mail listers to take part and help keep the=
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>place the way we like it. Buy a sticker, T-shirt, whatever. (I'm sure ju=
>st
>plain donations would be accepted too!) If you dont know what a "T-1" is=
> just
>suffice it to say it's an expensive way to have lots of people call your
>computer every month.

We were looking into getting a SDSL circuit but because of our distance
from the nearest box, the best we could get was 144kbps. We'd have to
get 3 SDSL lines to support the bandwidth. So it looks like a fractional
T1 is the only way.

As far as donations go, if you want to donate money, make out a check to
your favorite charity and donate in FTE's name. If you want to buy, that's
fine too. If you can't afford to (lots of students here!), no big deal.

> > =
>
> > Those of you who've been with us a while (Hi Deacon!) know
> > that I believe in keeping everyone informed as to our
> > status. =
>
>
>Please do; I enjoy it also. For those unfamiliar with me I haunt the sma=
>ll,
>offroad and performance lists; I can be contacted at
>ManicMechanicNC netscape.com or ManicMech15 aol.com
>
>Support FTE! :-)
>
>Tim Turner
>Custer Auto Repair
>Wilmington NC
> =

Thank you for the kind words,
Ken

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Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 16:03:40 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Perf - ADMIN: Trying to contact the following people

Hi gang,

Many of you may remember when author Judy Scott was
looking for people willing to write up stories of
their Ford truck memories. I just received an email
from her requesting a favor. Following is the request....
- -Ken Payne

ToughTales author, Judy Scott, needs to hear from the following contributors but does not have current email addresses for them. If you see your name on this list, please respond to jscott bancom.net:
.RIch Yeoman
.Martin Clarke
.Karel Cromback
.Tom Lopez
.Christine Oxford
. Dr. Rico

Thanks,

Judy Scott

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Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 14:50:13 -0600
From: William A Whited
Subject: FTE Perf - Little Blue Smoke

My New To Me 77, has had the following done to it by
the previous owner:

less than 200 miles on the following:

New heads / rockers / lifters professionally
installed
New Holley 750 QuadraJet electric choke carb
New Edelbrock Performer 460 Manifold
New Timing chain, gears
All new Fel-Pro gaskets
Mallory ProMaster coil
8mm wires, new distributor, cap
Brand new lifetime starter
Most hoses and belts were replaced
New plugs, other small things
Replaced the exhaust manifold gaskets

Now the small problem that I have is when I get hard
into the gas I notice some light blue smoke from her.
Should I be concerned? She burns no oil to speak of.
Runs great. Could it be from sitting for a while and
only ran at idle for the last 6 months after all the
work was done to her? TIA
- --
William A Whited
74 F100 RANGER SUPERCAB 390
77 F150 CUSTOM 460
SEMPER FI


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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 03:38:47 -0700
From: "James D"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Little Blue Smoke

Blue smoke means that it is unburnt fuel right? Or is it oil? I forgot
which. Could be the carb is running really rich. Do you get terrible gas
mileage? Just some guesses.


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From: William A Whited
To: 61-79-list ; perf-list

Sent: Sunday, October 10, 1999 1:50 PM
Subject: FTE Perf - Little Blue Smoke


> My New To Me 77, has had the following done to it by
> the previous owner:
>
> less than 200 miles on the following:
>
> New heads / rockers / lifters professionally
> installed
> New Holley 750 QuadraJet electric choke carb
> New Edelbrock Performer 460 Manifold
> New Timing chain, gears
> All new Fel-Pro gaskets
> Mallory ProMaster coil
> 8mm wires, new distributor, cap
> Brand new lifetime starter
> Most hoses and belts were replaced
> New plugs, other small things
> Replaced the exhaust manifold gaskets
>
> Now the small problem that I have is when I get hard
> into the gas I notice some light blue smoke from her.
> Should I be concerned? She burns no oil to speak of.
> Runs great. Could it be from sitting for a while and
> only ran at idle for the last 6 months after all the
> work was done to her? TIA
> --
> William A Whited
> 74 F100 RANGER SUPERCAB 390
> 77 F150 CUSTOM 460
> SEMPER FI
>
>
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Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 12:14:43 -1000
From: "Chad"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Little Blue Smoke

A little bit of dark colored smoke is normal for vehicles with big
hopped-up engines. Its probably unburned fuel. Even if the air/fuel ratio
is optimized, it is impossible to burn 100% of the fuel going into the
engine. This is why new smog controlled cars, even those with EFI, have
sophisticated exhaust recirculation systems and catalytic converters... to
burn the fuel that the engine didn't. I wouldn't worry about it if there
is only a small amount of smoke and it only appears under hard
acceleration.

If you really want to be sure the engine is running well, pull a couple of
spark plugs after a full-throttle blast to check the color of the porcelain
section. If its black, you're too rich, tan is just right and white it too
lean. If the engine is running rich or lean, you'll need to adjust the
carb accordingly. If its lean, adjust it ASAP as lean conditions can lead
to damaged engine parts.

Another thing to check on the plugs is to see if they are wet. If they
are, it could be oil or gas. The ol' "sniff" test (smell them) will tell
you. I seriously doubt they are oily if you say it doesn't loose oil
between changes. If they are wet and smell like gas the porcelain is
probably black too and the engine is tuned way too rich.

Hope this helps! :)
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Chad Jones
Check out http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.lava.net/~chad
and http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7082

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> From: William A Whited
> To: 61-79-list ; perf-list

> Subject: FTE Perf - Little Blue Smoke
> Date: Sunday, October 10, 1999 10:50 AM
>
> My New To Me 77, has had the following done to it by
> the previous owner:
>
> less than 200 miles on the following:
>
> New heads / rockers / lifters professionally
> installed
> New Holley 750 QuadraJet electric choke carb
> New Edelbrock Performer 460 Manifold
> New Timing chain, gears
> All new Fel-Pro gaskets
> Mallory ProMaster coil
> 8mm wires, new distributor, cap
> Brand new lifetime starter
> Most hoses and belts were replaced
> New plugs, other small things
> Replaced the exhaust manifold gaskets
>
> Now the small problem that I have is when I get hard
> into the gas I notice some light blue smoke from her.
> Should I be concerned? She burns no oil to speak of.
> Runs great. Could it be from sitting for a while and
> only ran at idle for the last 6 months after all the
> work was done to her? TIA
> --
> William A Whited
> 74 F100 RANGER SUPERCAB 390
> 77 F150 CUSTOM 460
> SEMPER FI
>
>
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Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 20:23:58 -0700
From: George Miller
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Little Blue Smoke

William A Whited wrote:
>
> My New To Me 77, has had the following done to it by
> the previous owner:
>
> less than 200 miles on the following:
>
> New heads / rockers / lifters professionally
> installed
> New Holley 750 QuadraJet electric choke carb
> New Edelbrock Performer 460 Manifold
> New Timing chain, gears
> All new Fel-Pro gaskets
> Mallory ProMaster coil
> 8mm wires, new distributor, cap
> Brand new lifetime starter
> Most hoses and belts were replaced
> New plugs, other small things
> Replaced the exhaust manifold gaskets
>
> Now the small problem that I have is when I get hard
> into the gas I notice some light blue smoke from her.
> Should I be concerned? She burns no oil to speak of.
> Runs great. Could it be from sitting for a while and
> only ran at idle for the last 6 months after all the
> work was done to her? TIA

Blue exhaust smoke is normally associated with burning oil. Black would
be a rich fuel mixture. You said the valves were done but didn't mention
the rings. Sometimes a valve job will provide a new perfect seal and let
oil get past worn rings. It doesn't take much oil to produce smoke if
the rings aren't wiping the cylinder walls after the power stroke. Those
exhaust valves are way, way up there in temperature. I'd suggest a
compression test. Do one on each cylinder and write down the numbers.
Then squirt a couple of tablespoons of whatever engine oil you use in
each cylinder and test them again. If the readings with oil are higher
than the ones without, you could have worn rings. Hopefully, it's not
the rings.

George Miller
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