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perf-list-digest Thursday, September 30 1999 Volume 02 : Number 251



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Ford Truck Enthusiasts - Performance
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In this issue:

RE: FTE Perf - Valve Seats
RE: FTE Perf - EFI Q's
FTE Perf - 460 Torque Motor
RE: FTE Perf - 460 Torque Motor
Re: [RE: FTE Perf - EFI Qs]
RE: FTE Perf - Tail Pipes?
Re: FTE Perf - Firewall Drilling/cutting
FTE Perf - Saftey/Mechanic Burns

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 08:29:00 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Valve Seats

> Before I price my local shops, can anybody give me an idea of what the
> cost should be for putting hardened valve seats into cast iron V-8
> heads?

A lot ... hmmm...I don't remember now, I typed this in for a guy a year or
so ago when I had mine done, seems like all told mine was around $400 for
the pair ? That was some unknown heads though that needed valve guides and
about everything else added to them ...


> I'd also like to know the procedure used for doing same.
>

Can't get detailed, but I think they basically hollow out a spot for them
and then weld/press the new ones in ... dunno for sure, sorry I'm not much
help ...

But we've had it done a couple times now with no bad results ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 08:33:40 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - EFI Q's

> I have the entire EFI setup from a '85 truck 302. Can a car
> upper manifold
> bolt on the a truck lower? And if it can would the wireing from the truck
> work with the car manilfold? Also could I hook up a car computer to the
> truck harness? I need some more hood clearance and I already
> have the truck
> stuff, so can anybody help?
>

85 ? There wasn't multi-port then was there ? I thought they were throttle
body, til 86 when the 'stangs got the multi-port induction system ...
hmmmm... interesting ...

Anyway I THINK (never done this), but I THINK you can bolt the upper from
the car on just fine,may even be able to put it in backwards so everything
still lines up ... however most trucks use a twin throttle body don't they ?
So you'll have to get a single and all the plumbing to feed that ...

Are you using a speed density system (ie no MAF) ? If so, then you need a
computer from an eariler FI stang (87-89? non-CA emissions) ... I think they
said these are available from AutoZone for about $100 ... you may want to
switch to the Mass Air system as its a bit more suited to modifications and
such, this would require a MAF and computer along with a couple other things
I think ... Kits are available for the 'stangs ... hit one of the tech
boards or something, theycan probably help you out quite a bit as to what
their systems will require ...

I hope this helps a bit, at least gettin you on the right road ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 15:59:21 -0400
From: "Robert Walley"
Subject: FTE Perf - 460 Torque Motor

Anybody have any reliable info or articles on building a high torque 460 for
towing. Not into racing. My 78 E250 is getting tired.

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:55:11 -0400
From: "John MacNamara"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - 460 Torque Motor

I built my 460 for torque and can recommend a Crane cam that I like real
well. Of course you didn't mention the rear end ratio. Mine was a 3:55 and
with the big tires it was down around 3:00 so needed gobs of torque off idle
which I do have. In fact I have so much it spins the tires. If you want
the cam info, I can send it. I'm even running the low compression 73 heads
and have more power than I need. I tow a 21 foot boat and can do 65 mph up
the baker grade so I'm happy.

Regards
John MacNamara

78 F250 4X4 Supercab

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Walley [SMTP:walleycd zdial.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 1999 12:59 PM
> To: perf-list
> Subject: FTE Perf - 460 Torque Motor
>
> Anybody have any reliable info or articles on building a high torque 460
> for
> towing. Not into racing. My 78 E250 is getting tired.
>
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Date: 29 Sep 99 21:28:23 EDT
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: [RE: FTE Perf - EFI Qs]

"William S. Hart" wrote:


> Anyway I THINK (never done this), but I THINK you can bolt the upper fr=
om
> the car on just fine,may even be able to put it in backwards so everyth=
ing
> still lines up ... =


I recall a while back having a car engine sent from the boneyard for a tr=
uck
and as I recall Rodney had to swap the lower also? (been over a year so =
it's
hazy.)

however most trucks use a twin throttle body don't they ?

Yep. But if the upper does in fact bolt on who cares if it's one big hol=
e or
two smaller ones. ;-) I imagine it's going to require some computer fid=
dling
anyway but might not.

> =

> I hope this helps a bit, at least gettin you on the right road ...

And of course I come along and muddy the waters further... I'll be inter=
ested
to find out the final result. :-)

Tim

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:36:10 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Tail Pipes?

There is also a danger of carbon monoxide intrusion if you have an enclosed
camper shell and tailpipes to the rear of the truck (back bumper). The
safer alternative would be a side exhaust behind rear wheel opposite side of
gas door. (Happens to be the stock location on my truck). I had to have a
tail pipe replaced on a previous truck I owned (only from the muffler back).
The original stock went straight back and ended at the rear of the vehicle
but under the bed. The muffler guy said regardless of the stock
configuration, state regs required him to install a side exit.

Another advantage to side exit behind rear tire is that unless you go off a
sheer drop you probably won't crush it.

Tom H.

> ----------
> From: FLR150 AOL.COM[SMTP:FLR150 AOL.COM]
> Reply To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 4:43 PM
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> Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Tail Pipes?
>
> Brad,
> Well , for 1 thing,if you put turn downs under the truck it is going to
> make
> it 3x as loud as it would be going out the back. 2nd..depending on the
> state
> you are in, it may be illegal for you to have the pipes running out the
> sides
> even, due to the location of gas doors on differing vehicles. i hope I
> haven't confused the issue
> Later
> Wayne Foy
> '94 Flareside SC
>
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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:59:55 -0700
From: George Miller
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Firewall Drilling/cutting

Same thing I bought. $7.49+ tax. Package said for wood and metal. On
future projects of this nature, I do intend to use the firewall
connectors for wire and SS braided line described by others on the list.
Now all I need is info on how to run capillary tubing through the
firewall without using RTV. The show rods I've seen run all electric
gauges and most of the racers, no suitcases, big power brake boosters or
other street accessories, run everything through one large hole/tube
sealed with RTV.

Thanks again,

George Miller

"Hogan, Tom" wrote:
>
> I uses a Milwalkee (sp?) hole saw. I don't think it was a metal saw. The
> nice thing about the Milwalkee was that the center arbor/pilot drill was
> interchangeable with different size barrels for the actual hole. Used a
> 3/8" drill and went right through the firewall no sweat.
>
> Tom H.
>
> > ----------
> > From: George Miller[SMTP:mega55 lv.rmci.net]
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> > Sent: Saturday, September 25, 1999 9:36 PM
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> > Subject: FTE Perf - Firewall Drilling/cutting
> >
> > I need a 3/4" hole through my firewall to accommodate additional service
> > lines/wires between the engine and passenger compartments. 3/4" drill
> > necked down to a 1/2" shaft? 3/4" metal hole saw? Any advice will be
> > appreciated.
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > George Miller
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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 00:29:10 -0400
From: "Marvin Meyer"
Subject: FTE Perf - Saftey/Mechanic Burns

After reading this one in paper, thought I'd pass on. Local Mechanic caught
fire, severely burned while pouring gasoline down carburetor.
Well, I've had it happen, just try not to stop the starter,keep it
rolling over and the vac in the intake tract will draw flames inward. Better
yet, pour down when not turning over, then attempt to start.....


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