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perf-list-digest Wednesday, September 29 1999 Volume 02 : Number 250



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In this issue:

FTE Perf - Crane Cam Experience's
FTE Perf - Intro-New Motor
RE: FTE Perf - Intro-New Motor
FTE Perf - Tail Pipes?
RE: FTE Perf - Tail Pipes?
Re: FTE Perf - Tail Pipes?
Re: FTE Perf - Intro-New Motor
FTE Perf - Intro-new motor
RE: FTE Perf - Tail Pipes?
RE: FTE Perf - Tail Pipes?
Re: FTE Perf - Tail Pipes?
Re: FTE Perf - Tail Pipes?
FTE Perf - Valve Seats
FTE Perf - EFI Q's

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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 09:09:40 PDT
From: "Roger Lane"
Subject: FTE Perf - Crane Cam Experience's

Does anybody have any experience's with the Crane Compucams? I am looking
into rebuilding a 302 for my 89 F250 and would like to know how this cam
would work. The one I am looking at is the 2021 grind number.
TIA

Roger Lane

"Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level
then beat you with experience."




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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 14:54:30 -0400
From: "Marvin Meyer"
Subject: FTE Perf - Intro-New Motor

Hi all; I've been on the 61-79 list for awhile. Just discovered this one now
that I'm Building another motor. I've got a 76 supercab discharged the 360
for a warmed over 302, now the 302 was running rough so after yanking out I
discovered a few things. My old 70 351 4V DOOE# heads were shot. Valve
guides were worn oval due to high lift cam and poor rocker geometery. Bored
out a 84 noroller block to .040"over started with new reground crank and
mains. Clearances are according to factory spec as i will not race, just
impress the D*dge & C*evy camps as well as others thinking there's a Bblock
lurking under there. Discovered a new or new to me set of heads out there
called GT40-P heads. high velocity small cc'ed chambers adn 1.85/1.46
valves.
Any thoughts on these heads from the truck performance crowd.I'm aware they
came on mountaneer and explorers. Just purchased the heads and waiting for
delivery.Cam selection?? Manley swirl ss valves in the order desk too.
Just balance matched all rods to 500.75g (that took patience), magnafluxed
as well, deflashed the interior of the block and chamfered oil
pasages/crank. Honed all cylinders to .003" clearance.Edelbrock 289 Torquer
Intake port matched to old heads, hope will line up with new P heads.
Any thoughts comments??

Don't want to keep up with the Jones's and Smith's, just like impressing the
Mennonites.......;~)
Marvin Meyer
meyer stratford.webgate.net

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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 14:36:41 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Intro-New Motor

> Discovered a new or new to me set of heads out there
> called GT40-P heads. high velocity small cc'ed chambers adn 1.85/1.46
> valves.
> Any thoughts on these heads from the truck performance crowd.I'm
> aware they
> came on mountaneer and explorers. Just purchased the heads and
> waiting for
> delivery.

The stang crowd likes them a lot for the drag racing classes that require an
iron head ... have it ported and polished of course for maximum effect ...


> Cam selection??

FMS makes some pretty good smog cams for these apps, but not sure how they
do on the low side for torque ... probalby nothing much bigger than a B303
cam ... that's what the stang guys run and it pushes the torque up to 3500
or so, a bit high for my taste, especially in a truck ...


> Intake port matched to old heads, hope will line up with new P heads.
> Any thoughts comments??
>

Sounds like a good deal, but that's a lot of truck there, so be sure not to
kill that low end side of things ... what tranny/rear combo are you running
?


> Don't want to keep up with the Jones's and Smith's, just like
> impressing the
> Mennonites.......;~)

Good luck ... I've found its easier to just blind them with chrome ;) Then
blow their doors off ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 16:21:39 -0400
From: Brad DeFore
Subject: FTE Perf - Tail Pipes?

I've a question to pose. Why do we have to have tail pipes exiting from the
mufflers to the back of the vehicle? I know why past the occupied portion
of the vehicle but the back of a pickup? The reason for this question is
I've squished the end pipes on mine closed and I was wondering what I would
lose/gain by just installing turn downs on the end of the muffler? It's one
of those single in duel out mufflers and I'm going to replace it with
another one (a whole exhaust system is planned for the future) depending on
the consensus of the responses. So with that in mind and a thin billfold,
should I go with another 1in2out and turn downs? 1in1out and turn down?
1in1out to the back? Is there any benefit to running all the way? Right now
it's the 2 cats and the stock muffler setup, so I can't wait to open it up.
Any help? as always thanks guys I've learned a lot reading your posts.


"90" F150 5.8 4x4
Brad DeFore
BDeFore ComputerLogic.com
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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 15:43:08 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Tail Pipes?

> I've a question to pose. Why do we have to have tail pipes
> exiting from the
> mufflers to the back of the vehicle?

Some state laws require it, usually it has to go back to the rear axle and
that's it ... at least IA is that way, and I don't see how you could get
away with side pipes if that wasn't the case ...

I know why past the
> occupied portion
> of the vehicle but the back of a pickup? The reason for this question is
> I've squished the end pipes on mine closed and I was wondering
> what I would
> lose/gain by just installing turn downs on the end of the
> muffler?

Sometimes you lose some low end torque (depends on motor, pipes, manifolds,
etc) ... also it is usually louder with just turndowns on it ... you might
consider at least running out the sides so you don't use the bed as an echo
chamber ...



> of those single in duel out mufflers and I'm going to replace it with
> another one (a whole exhaust system is planned for the future)
> depending on
> the consensus of the responses. So with that in mind and a thin
> billfold,
> should I go with another 1in2out and turn downs? 1in1out and turn down?
> 1in1out to the back? Is there any benefit to running all the
> way? Right now
> it's the 2 cats and the stock muffler setup, so I can't wait to
> open it up.
> Any help? as always thanks guys I've learned a lot reading your posts.
>
>
> "90" F150 5.8 4x4


There are companies out there offering "cat back" solutions ... that's
probably the route I would go ... Jeg's had a side exit single in-single out
"Nascar" style muffler that bolted onto the back of the cat if I remember
right ... it was pretty cool lookin and fairly reasonable ...

for longevity try and get at least aluminized, stainless is nice, but costs
a fortune ...

its pretty much up to you what way you want to go with the exhaust, but
Borla, Dynomax, and several others make a cat back system ... also check out
www.steeda.com, as they may have some stuff too .


BTW, the cats will usually make the biggest difference....


Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 16:43:04 EDT
From: FLR150 AOL.COM
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Tail Pipes?

Brad,
Well , for 1 thing,if you put turn downs under the truck it is going to make
it 3x as loud as it would be going out the back. 2nd..depending on the state
you are in, it may be illegal for you to have the pipes running out the sides
even, due to the location of gas doors on differing vehicles. i hope I
haven't confused the issue
Later
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC

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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:30:13 -0700
From: "James Krehmke"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Intro-New Motor

Marvin,

I put a pair of these heads (new from FPP) on my 351W ranchero. They really
start to make the power at about 4,000 rpm. I have an Edelbrock Performer
combo and 2.5" dual exhausts. Great heads. Feels like they'd be happier
with the Performer RPM.

- -jwk-

- -----Original Message-----
From: Marvin Meyer
To: Performance List
Date: 28 September, 1999 12:21 PM
Subject: FTE Perf - Intro-New Motor


>Hi all; I've been on the 61-79 list for awhile. Just discovered this one
now
>that I'm Building another motor. I've got a 76 supercab discharged the 360
>for a warmed over 302, now the 302 was running rough so after yanking out I
>discovered a few things. My old 70 351 4V DOOE# heads were shot. Valve
>guides were worn oval due to high lift cam and poor rocker geometery. Bored
>out a 84 noroller block to .040"over started with new reground crank and
>mains. Clearances are according to factory spec as i will not race, just
>impress the D*dge & C*evy camps as well as others thinking there's a Bblock
>lurking under there. Discovered a new or new to me set of heads out there
>called GT40-P heads. high velocity small cc'ed chambers adn 1.85/1.46
>valves.
>Any thoughts on these heads from the truck performance crowd.I'm aware they
>came on mountaneer and explorers. Just purchased the heads and waiting for
>delivery.Cam selection?? Manley swirl ss valves in the order desk too.
>Just balance matched all rods to 500.75g (that took patience), magnafluxed
>as well, deflashed the interior of the block and chamfered oil
>pasages/crank. Honed all cylinders to .003" clearance.Edelbrock 289 Torquer
>Intake port matched to old heads, hope will line up with new P heads.
>Any thoughts comments??
>
>Don't want to keep up with the Jones's and Smith's, just like impressing
the
>Mennonites.......;~)
>Marvin Meyer
>meyer stratford.webgate.net
>
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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 16:42:49 -0400
From: "Marvin Meyer"
Subject: FTE Perf - Intro-new motor

Sounds like a good deal, but thatís a lot of truck there, so be sure not to
kill that low end side of things ... what tranny/rear combo are you running

- -The tranny is a tried and trued C-6 no shift-kit just a flipped valve body
plate, firm shifts in 1-2,2-3. Rear is 9" 4 pinion homemade posi with 3.5's
and 3.7's on the shelf.
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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 17:07:10 -0400
From: Brad DeFore
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Tail Pipes?

Thanks Wayne, I'm down here in a little ole Southern Georgia town. I've
heard quite a few loud trucks, motorcycles (can we say straight pipes?),
hot rods, and fart pipes, running around so that wouldn't be a problem
here. Mine is the XLT with duel gas tanks and filler doors on the left and
the exhaust on the right (passenger) side. It exits on the side now just
way back behind the rear tire on the pass. side.




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From: FLR150 AOL.COM [SMTP:FLR150 AOL.COM]
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 4:43 PM
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Tail Pipes?

Brad,
Well , for 1 thing,if you put turn downs under the truck it is going to
make
it 3x as loud as it would be going out the back. 2nd..depending on the
state
you are in, it may be illegal for you to have the pipes running out the
sides
even, due to the location of gas doors on differing vehicles. i hope I
haven't confused the issue
Later
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC

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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 17:10:18 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Tail Pipes?

basically, with a stock system, it won't matter. the most restrictive
parts are the cats, mufflers, and the bends that are sharpest, which
happens in those areas. past the muffler will not show any increase or
decrease in performance due to a change in restriction. Sound may change,
but that is all. Furthermore, most states require the exhaust to exit the
edge of the vehicle past the passenger compartment. Some, may allow exits
under the bed, but find out before doing it.

kevin

- ----------
From: Brad DeFore[SMTP:bdefore computerlogic.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 4:21 PM
To: 'perf-list ford-trucks.com'
Subject: FTE Perf - Tail Pipes?


I've a question to pose. Why do we have to have tail pipes exiting from the
mufflers to the back of the vehicle?

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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 18:18:07 EDT
From: FLR150 AOL.COM
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Tail Pipes?

Brad,
Where in GA are you? I am in Atlanta and the law in our state says that we
cant have the pipes exiting before the back tires...BUT the 96-97 F150s came
from the factory that way, so they have had to amend the law to exclude FORD
brand trucks due that fact. Needless to say, my exhaust is exiting in front
of the right rear tire.
later
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 14:50:15 -0700
From: "James Krehmke"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Tail Pipes?

Another consideration here is that exhaust gas is dirty and corrosive. Best
to exit it into a place that it will be swept away from the body and not
allowed swirl in "dirty air" against the rear of the body.

- -jwk-
- -----Original Message-----
From: William S. Hart
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Date: 28 September, 1999 1:55 PM
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Tail Pipes?


> > I've a question to pose. Why do we have to have tail pipes
> > exiting from the
> > mufflers to the back of the vehicle?
>
>Some state laws require it, usually it has to go back to the rear axle and
>that's it ... at least IA is that way, and I don't see how you could get
>away with side pipes if that wasn't the case ...
>
> I know why past the
> > occupied portion
> > of the vehicle but the back of a pickup? The reason for this question is
> > I've squished the end pipes on mine closed and I was wondering
> > what I would
> > lose/gain by just installing turn downs on the end of the
> > muffler?
>
>Sometimes you lose some low end torque (depends on motor, pipes, manifolds,
>etc) ... also it is usually louder with just turndowns on it ... you might
>consider at least running out the sides so you don't use the bed as an echo
>chamber ...
>
>
>
> > of those single in duel out mufflers and I'm going to replace it with
> > another one (a whole exhaust system is planned for the future)
> > depending on
> > the consensus of the responses. So with that in mind and a thin
> > billfold,
> > should I go with another 1in2out and turn downs? 1in1out and turn down?
> > 1in1out to the back? Is there any benefit to running all the
> > way? Right now
> > it's the 2 cats and the stock muffler setup, so I can't wait to
> > open it up.
> > Any help? as always thanks guys I've learned a lot reading your posts.
> >
> >
> > "90" F150 5.8 4x4
>
>
>There are companies out there offering "cat back" solutions ... that's
>probably the route I would go ... Jeg's had a side exit single in-single
out
>"Nascar" style muffler that bolted onto the back of the cat if I remember
>right ... it was pretty cool lookin and fairly reasonable ...
>
>for longevity try and get at least aluminized, stainless is nice, but costs
>a fortune ...
>
>its pretty much up to you what way you want to go with the exhaust, but
>Borla, Dynomax, and several others make a cat back system ... also check
out
>www.steeda.com, as they may have some stuff too .
>
>
>BTW, the cats will usually make the biggest difference....
>
>
>Just my $.02
>wish
>
>96 Mustang GT 4.6L
>73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish
>
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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 18:08:24 -0700
From: George Miller
Subject: FTE Perf - Valve Seats

Before I price my local shops, can anybody give me an idea of what the
cost should be for putting hardened valve seats into cast iron V-8
heads? I'd also like to know the procedure used for doing same.

TIA

George Miller
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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 21:37:08 -0500
From: "ben"
Subject: FTE Perf - EFI Q's
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