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In this issue:

RE: FTE Perf - 351M rpm's and calculations
RE: FTE Perf - rear brake conversions
FTE Perf - Englishtown NJ Car Show & Swap Meet
RE: FTE Perf - axle swap
RE: FTE Perf - 351M rpm's and calculations
FTE Perf - Flowmasters
RE: FTE Perf - 351M rpm's and calculations
RE: FTE Perf - Flowmasters
FTE Perf - maintenance
Re: FTE Perf - Flowmasters
RE: FTE Perf - 351M rpm's and calculations
FTE Perf - 9" rear
FTE Perf - Re: 302 loud ticking noise
Re: FTE Perf - Flowmasters
Re: FTE Perf - Flowmasters

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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 08:03:32 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - 351M rpm's and calculations

> > > 1980 F250 4x4 351M (5.8L) and 16 Glorious Pushrods!
> > >
> >
> >Hahahahaha ... yeah if I could only find those emblems ...
>
> You can get 5.8L emblems... from Oz (Australia)
> Look in Super Ford or one of the Mustang mags
> ad sections....

Hmmm...trimmed like this I can see the confusion ... I was actually
referring to the 6.4L emblems that I would need for my truck ;)

5.8L should be available here in the states too ... not stock on any
vehicles, but with the 351 swaps for 'stangs being so popular I have seen a
couple ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:16:56 -0400
From: Greg Carter
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - rear brake conversions

Hi,
You don't need a kit, you can get all the parts from a junk yard and they
are quite common. However you have to have one part machined. You need to
make a 1 1/4" spacer (get back to me on that for exact measurement) that
goes in-between the axle flange and the backing plate. You use the disk
brake backing plate off the front of a 1/2 ton 4x4 chev truck and drill 4
holes to match the axle flange bolt pattern, with the backing plate
positioned so that when the caliper is mounted on it the caliper is to the
rear of the truck. You use the calipers off an 1/2 ton chev as wheel. If
you use newer calipers (80 or so and up) you can use the flexible brake
lines from a 78 Pontiac Perisian, they are length you'll need.

I have cc a friend of mine (Steve) who has done this conversion to his Chev.

You'll most likely have to reposition the spring perchases on the axle, and
I am not sure but you may run into problems with where the center section
is,(off to the left or off to the right). Measure everything up.

I don't know what year you truck is but you can do a rear disk brake
conversion for Ford 10.25 axles (no weaker than a 14 bolt) for years 86-96.
There will be an article on www.ford-trucks.com this weekend (I already gave
it to Ken to put up).

Bye.
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From: Dan Shade [mailto:dshade erols.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999 10:58 PM
To: perf
Subject: FTE Perf - rear brake conversions


Hey guys, I'm trying to locate some info on rear brake conversions, the
axle in question is a Corporate 14 bolt (sorry, it is just stronger than
a stock Dana 60). I heard the TSM makes conversion kits, but I am
having trouble finding info on the web looking for stuff.

thanks

Dan Shade

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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:28:16 -0400
From: "Eric J. McTague"
Subject: FTE Perf - Englishtown NJ Car Show & Swap Meet

For anyone interested, the Englishtown car show & swap meet is this
weekend.

Friday Sept 24 -- Sunday Sept 26.
Gates open at 7am - close at 6pm
Admission $ 7.00.

Friday - swap meet only.

Saturday - street rods, customs, vans, modified trucks, kit cars, race
cars only.

Sunday - stock production to 1984 only. Antique & classic only.

732-446-7800(9am-5pm)
732-938-5519(6pm-8pm)

I'm not sure if I'm gonna make it. I almost & always "religously" do the
swap meet thing all day on Friday, but ........... I'm gonna pass this
year.

I might go Sunday.

For those of you close by, check it out. It's pretty cool.

Eric.


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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:26:09 -0400
From: Greg Carter
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - axle swap

Hi,
There will be an article on www.ford-trucks.com this weekend (already gave
it to Ken) on swapping out the IFS on a F-250 for a solid front axle (for
years 86-96, but may be applicable to 80-86). However the F150 has the coil
front and a slightly different axle housing up front than the F-250. My
recommendation would be to find someone you know who has an F-250 and study
all the differences and see what it would take to put the front leaf spring
setup of an F-250 under your truck. If it looks like it can be done than
the solid front axle swap is a breeze from their.

Bye.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Joel Thomas [mailto:TREEFORT PRODIGY.NET]
Sent: Friday, September 24, 1999 12:13 AM
To: Ford Off Road; Ford Performance; Ford truck
Subject: FTE Perf - axle swap


I am building a mud rider/dailydriver/hunting rig, it is a
1984 F-150 regular cab,SWB
it has the stock Dana44 TTB fron and 9in rear
yes it is a 84 with the 9in stock rear so it is pretty rare.
I am wanting to switch both axles out with leaf sprung at both ends 3/4 or
1 ton
axles.
were should I start:)
the back will be fairly easy wont it>??
but the front I will have to take off all TTB stuff but center
crossmember/motormount bracket.
and the weld up or bolt on mounts for the new leaf springs.
are the spring pads gonna be the same width that would work on my truck.

is there a company that specializes in this stuff
or can somebody please help me thank..


Joel Thomas mailto:treefort prodigy.net
1984 F-150, 351W, 9", T-18,
Edelbrock intake,Holley 750 vac,
33" BFG MT's.
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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:15:34 -0600
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - 351M rpm's and calculations

>From: "William S. Hart"
>Subject: RE: FTE Perf - 351M rpm's and calculations
>
> ... I don't think the restriction on a stock
>aircleaner box is the paper element
>(GENERALIZING here) ... I think that
>tiny (2x4?) hole in the box is the big
>restriction there

Yo Wish:

Actually, I thought of that when I switched to the bigger box. I measured the
opening at 2"x4.25" (approx. -- it has pretty big radiused corners) and both the
big box and smaller box (stock M-blocks, 302s, and non-HO 351Ws) have the same
size opening.

My carb's two 1.21" venturi bores have a total cross-section area of 3.8 square
inches and the intake hole in the air cleaner box has a cross-section area of
(approx) 7.5 square inches (maybe less another square inch for the open hot air
flap valve), so again, it seems unlikely to me that the air cleaner box intake
would pose significant a restriction.

The bigger area of the element in the big box will definitely flow more air than
the smaller element. Again, whether this is actually significant is another
question.

>... when I put the K&N
>on, I went to a smaller chrome lid as
>well,
>
>then put the lid and element into the
>stock housing ... this created a gap
>around the air cleaner lid and the
>housing ...
>
>by leaving the stock base
>on you maintain your flow to the carb in its
>stock form and provide some
>heat shielding from the warm engine air ...

That "stock" setup w/ (cold temp) heated air is required for emissions legality,
and an open-element air cleaner would fail even a cursory visual inspection.

>Dave, you have the dual snorkel thing
>set up right ? this will obviously
>flow at least twice as good as the single
> you had before,

Unfortunately, I still have a single snorkel. However, as I previously
mentioned, I don't think it's an air flow bottleneck. (Even the stock 4V 460s
used same the single snorkel unit I have now.) Eventually, I'd like to get one
of those 302HO double snorkel units from a Mustang, but rigging up the left side
heat riser shroud seems like it would be a hassle unless I get one of those
adapters for headers. I probably will do that when I build my killer 400.

>but since you don't drive it much, maybe
>its not worth it ...

Just about any noticeable improvement in performance is worthwhile to me. I
just have to work out the trade-off between my satisfaction, economy payback (if
any), and purchase decisions sanctioned by the Minister of Finance (SWMBO).

>Add some stickers and you will have an
>easy 20hp increase ...

I've heard that only the Motorsports SVO stickers work like that ;-).

Dave R (M-block devotee)


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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:24:51 -0500
From: "Allen Collins"
Subject: FTE Perf - Flowmasters

I am in the process of upgrading my exhaust on my 1986 F-150. It basically
has a stock 302, carb engine, dual cats. I want to install a new high flow
cat, and 2 1/2" pipe. Just can't decide on the mufflers. I know that the
flowmasters are the best, but they are pricey. I was wanting to run duals
with dual mufflers. I have also looked at the Flow Tech mufflers, they are
cheaper for the Afterburner mufflers by more than half.

I am just not sure about how loud the mufflers will be. The 40 series
flowmasters are supposed to be pretty loud, and the price goes up from
there. I am not sure how loud the Flow tech's will be. Any one with any
experience with either? I want a performance exhaust for future upgrades,
but then again I am not going to race it, mainly looking for torque and fuel
economy. I want some deep tones in my exhaust, but I don't want to wake the
neighbors at 5:00 am either.

Any suggestions or responses will be appreciated.

Al

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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:42:34 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - 351M rpm's and calculations

> My carb's two 1.21" venturi bores have a total cross-section
> area of 3.8 square
> inches and the intake hole in the air cleaner box has a
> cross-section area of
> (approx) 7.5 square inches (maybe less another square inch for
> the open hot air
> flap valve), so again, it seems unlikely to me that the air
> cleaner box intake
> would pose significant a restriction.
>
> Unfortunately, I still have a single snorkel. However, as I previously
> mentioned, I don't think it's an air flow bottleneck. (Even the
> stock 4V 460s
> used same the single snorkel unit I have now.) Eventually, I'd
> like to get one
> of those 302HO double snorkel units from a Mustang

Okay, I see what you're saying, but you have to remember that we're talking
about a much lower velocity flow through that hole than we are through the
venturi's ... a "restriction" isn't necessarily that it won't flow enough,
but that it slows down, or causes the flow to change enough to affect its
speed or turbulence ...

I really don't feel like doing math today, but by roughly doubling the
available area into the air cleaner housing, you will decrease the required
flow velocity by some similar amount, and in doing this, makes it "easier"
for the motor to rev, hence a much quicker rev ... won't affect steady state
power except possibly at the absolute top end, but may make it react better
to the throttle being pressed ... and the dual snorkels just look cool ;)

Remember how you thought my stang had pretty good throttle response ? it
feels like it about doubled with that pipe change! You'd never get out of
it now :)

> That "stock" setup w/ (cold temp) heated air is required for
> emissions legality,
> and an open-element air cleaner would fail even a cursory visual
> inspection.
>

bummer to have those inspections huh ?


> >Add some stickers and you will have an
> >easy 20hp increase ...
>
> I've heard that only the Motorsports SVO stickers work like that ;-).
>

Maybe that's the trick I'm missing ... mine are just numbers and a DMVR
sticker, we'll see if we can get some FMS stickers ;) (Track only, and
they're magnetic so they come right off!)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:52:20 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Flowmasters

> It basically
> has a stock 302, carb engine, dual cats. I want to install a
> new high flow
> cat, and 2 1/2" pipe. Just can't decide on the mufflers. I
> know that the
> flowmasters are the best, but they are pricey.

I've seen some debate of that lately actually ... but the stuff that's
better is usually more expensive too ...


> run duals
> with dual mufflers. I have also looked at the Flow Tech
> mufflers, they are
> cheaper for the Afterburner mufflers by more than half.
>

I've seen flowtech is starting to make a lot of stuff lately ... have you
checked Dynomax or any of those too ? Really for a long lasting muffler you
just need aluminized or stainless steel ... and depending on what part of
the country you're in these could last you forever...

> I am just not sure about how loud the mufflers will be.

Lemme say this ... cats are mufflers too ... so if you put on a turbo
muffler and a cat, you'll probably have the equivalent of 2 turbos on there,
quite a bit quieter than a single turbo (per side of course) I would guess.


> I want a performance exhaust for future
> upgrades,
> but then again I am not going to race it, mainly looking for
> torque and fuel
> economy. I want some deep tones in my exhaust, but I don't want
> to wake the
> neighbors at 5:00 am either.
>

Here's a thought ...not a good one necessarily ... but I took the cats out
of my car and the stock Ford mufflers sound pretty good... lots of stang
guys are ditching their old mufflers for something louder, and they are
stainless ... you could probably hit one of the stang sites (www.corral.net
www.mustangworld.com) and pick up a pair, maybe even close ... they may be
2.25" instead of 2" though ...


Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:20:35 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE Perf - maintenance

Tim writes: >> mid 80's Ford van 4.9L with 201,794 Miles and a no start. Quick
=
check
reveals spark from the coil and none coming out the cap. replace the rot=
or
and the thing is a bit rough but decent.. I hear arcing from somewhere
though. Finally isolate it to a loose #6 plug (amazed that I could actua=
lly
hear it.. new sensation). I start to tighten the plug; wait a minute...
Motorcraft plugs? Let me yank it out for kicks. Holy crap!! This used =
the
super extended electrode plugs and the side electrode was missing all of =
the
elbow and some of the stem. My gap guage was too small and I had to use a=

caliper to measure the .154" gap! (.044 was the OE gap) As it turned out=
this
was NOT the worst plug either.

Glad to see you are doing regular maintenance on your trusty Ford there Tim.
Try that on Genorous Motors and see if you can get 200,000 on original plugs.
Seems you got a pretty hot ignition there also. .150" plus gap is fairly
sizeable for a sparkplug gap, and it still fire under compression.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:38:57 -0700
From: Adam McLaughlin
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Flowmasters

Hi Al,

I have the series 50 with a 2.5" pipe on my 1988 BII. Nice rumble while
accelerating, but at idle it's hard to tell when the vehicle is on.. All you
have to do is to tap the gas, though... :-)

I used to have to push the truck into the driveway from the street, now I just
park around the corner and then start her up and go.

Adam


Allen Collins wrote:

> I am in the process of upgrading my exhaust on my 1986 F-150. It basically
> has a stock 302, carb engine, dual cats. I want to install a new high flow
> cat, and 2 1/2" pipe. Just can't decide on the mufflers. I know that the
> flowmasters are the best, but they are pricey. I was wanting to run duals
> with dual mufflers. I have also looked at the Flow Tech mufflers, they are
> cheaper for the Afterburner mufflers by more than half.
>
> I am just not sure about how loud the mufflers will be. The 40 series
> flowmasters are supposed to be pretty loud, and the price goes up from
> there. I am not sure how loud the Flow tech's will be. Any one with any
> experience with either? I want a performance exhaust for future upgrades,
> but then again I am not going to race it, mainly looking for torque and fuel
> economy. I want some deep tones in my exhaust, but I don't want to wake the
> neighbors at 5:00 am either.
>
> Any suggestions or responses will be appreciated.
>
> Al
>
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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 13:54:40 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - 351M rpm's and calculations

And to think i have spent so much time trying to hide the size of my engine....

kevin

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Subject: Re: FTE Perf - 351M rpm's and calculations

Anyone ever seen a 460 or 7.5 emblems??

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"



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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:07:59 -0500
From: "Joel Thomas"
Subject: FTE Perf - 9" rear

no, the 9" rear was discontinued in 83 but is is possible to have a 83 with
an 8.8 and an 84 with a 9".
that is why it is kinda rare.


Joel Thomas mailto:treefort prodigy.net
1984 F-150, 351W, 9", T-18,
Edelbrock intake,Holley 750 vac,
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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:12:33 -0700
From: don neomagic.com (Donald Paauw)
Subject: FTE Perf - Re: 302 loud ticking noise

Thanks for your replies so far. One thing I forgot to mention is that
this is a 302 HO from a Mustang and has Kaufmann shorty headers.
Using the stethescope, the noise is definitely coming from the rear
passenger cylinder area (#8?). Unfortunately, at idle it's
barely audible. The only way I can get at this area is through the wheel
well and can't really position the tube very well. I don't think it's the
air pump tube because there's no noise from the rear of the engine. I
tried feeling around the header tube to see if I could feel any exhaust
leaking and didn't feel anything, although I couldn't get my hand right up
to where the tube meets the engine & at idle I'm not sure there would be
enough pressure to feel anything. I'm thinking of having my wife put it
in gear, stand on the brake & give it little gas. I think I'll put it up
against the house too, just to be safe. Also, I haven't tried the steel
rod on the stethescope to check for mechanically transmitted noise. Am
I correct in thinking that a valve would make more noise than a leak if I
put the rod on the head?

I've been driving the truck this way and it hasn't gotten any worse.
Right now, it's always faintly present at idle, very prominent under
load at low rpm's and not noticeable at high rpm's, although it could
just be smoothed out to a hiss at high rpm's.

- -- Don

>
> I wasn't sure which list to post this to, so I'm hitting three lists.
> If it starts looking familiar, I apologize.
>
> I've got a '90 Ranger with a '92 302 transplanted into it w/ AOD transmission.
> A few weeks ago I noticed a slight ticking noise that I thought was a lifter.
> It got louder when I shifted into drive with the brake on. During the first
> week the noise came & went and was louder under a load. At idle it is very
> faint. Now it has gotten worse and is sharper & louder than a lifter and I'm
> thinking it may be exhaust related. It's not always present when I start the
> truck but always shows up as the engine warms up. I poked around with a
> rubber hose on a stethescope and there's no noise inside the valve cover.
> The noise seems loudest at the passenger side rear of the engine. Unfortunately,
> the 302 is a tight fit and the A/C evaporator, the valve cover and the air
> intake all form an interference fit in this area so I can't really directly
> observe the engine there. The noise is audible over a very loud 3" Borla
> muffler, so I'd say it's significant.
> I've got a mechanical temp guage and the engine temp has never been over 220.
> So does anyone have any suggestions as to what the cause might be and any methods
> how I could narrow this down?
>
> Thanks,
> Don
>
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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:39:30 PDT
From: "Mark Rogers"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Flowmasters

I have installed a 302 recently into a 68 F-100. I have found difficulty
finding headers to pass around the starter. Watch that.
mark

On Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:38:57 -0700, Adam McLaughlin wrote:

> Hi Al,
>
> I have the series 50 with a 2.5" pipe on my 1988 BII. Nice rumble while
> accelerating, but at idle it's hard to tell when the vehicle is on.. All
you
> have to do is to tap the gas, though... :-)
>
> I used to have to push the truck into the driveway from the street, now I
just
> park around the corner and then start her up and go.
>
> Adam
>
>
> Allen Collins wrote:
>
> > I am in the process of upgrading my exhaust on my 1986 F-150. It
basically
> > has a stock 302, carb engine, dual cats. I want to install a new high
flow
> > cat, and 2 1/2" pipe. Just can't decide on the mufflers. I know that
the
> > flowmasters are the best, but they are pricey. I was wanting to run
duals
> > with dual mufflers. I have also looked at the Flow Tech mufflers, they
are
> > cheaper for the Afterburner mufflers by more than half.
> >
> > I am just not sure about how loud the mufflers will be. The 40 series
> > flowmasters are supposed to be pretty loud, and the price goes up from
> > there. I am not sure how loud the Flow tech's will be. Any one with
any
> > experience with either? I want a performance exhaust for future
upgrades,
> > but then again I am not going to race it, mainly looking for torque and
fuel
> > economy. I want some deep tones in my exhaust, but I don't want to wake
the
> > neighbors at 5:00 am either.
> >
> > Any suggestions or responses will be appreciated.
> >
> > Al
> >
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