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perf-list-digest Wednesday, September 22 1999 Volume 02 : Number 243



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In this issue:

FTE Perf - Won't idle
Re: FTE Perf - 351M rpm's and calculations
FTE Perf - RE: FTE 97up - Supercharge?
RE: FTE Perf - still need headers
RE: FTE Perf - RE: FTE 97up - Supercharge?
FTE Perf - cool Item on Ebay, cheap too
Re: FTE Perf - A Little help, please!
Re: FTE Perf - 351M rpm's and calculations

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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:09:24 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE Perf - Won't idle

Lee writes: >>Ive got a carb problem for all you guys and gals. The other day
I had my
truck opened up for maybe a quarter mile and when I got to the stop light the
darn thing would hardly idle at 200rpm and burning quite rich. The next day
I disassembled the carb(Holley 4180 600 cfm, 302 cu. in.) for any possible
problems

Power valve ruptured!!!

Azie
Ardmolre, Al.


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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 09:48:30 -0600
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - 351M rpm's and calculations

>From: Bas van der Veer
>Subject: FTE Perf - 351M rpm's and calculations
>
>What's a safe redline rpm for the 351M?
>I have no tach so I just stick to
>the speeds my C6 will allow in Drive.

Yo Bas:

I have seen factory tachometers used in 1980-82 F-series trucks w/ the 351M/400
labeled w/ a 5.5K rpm redline. This is probably a safe limit, however, w/ the
stock Motorcraft 2150 2V truck carburetor, my 351M was huffing and puffing by
about 3.5K rpm and could barely get to 4K rpm.

Now I am using a Motorcraft 2150 2V carb from a 1982 Mustang GT (#E2ZE-BAA) on
my stock cast iron manifold w/ the Mustang 5/8" phenolic spacer on top of the
stock EGR spacer. Since I installed the Mustang carb (which has a higher flow
rating and which I polished the heck out of), I can wind up to over 5K rpm.
Even w/ over 165K miles on the ol' M-block, it will still run strong up to 5K
rpm, but I rarely go that far.

I wouldn't run a "stock" M-block over 5.5K rpm peak, maybe 3.5-4K rpm steady
speed. If the engine was balanced and blueprinted, it would probably be safe to
occasionally get it up to 6K, but I wouldn't keep it there any length of time
unless the engine was properly built for that.

I would recommend that you get at least a cheap tach so you can get an idea of
where your engine rpm really is. You can spring for a good one, but for your
purposes, a cheap tach would probably suffice.

Dave R. (M-block devotee)


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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 15:14:33 -0500
From: jmann living.com
Subject: FTE Perf - RE: FTE 97up - Supercharge?

It may negatively affect your engines longevity. But, I've had the idea
myself for my 2000 F150. Vortex makes great blowers as well. I'll see if I
can find a link to their site.

Joe


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From: Robert Benne [mailto:Benne-Scottsdale worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 9:49 AM
To: Trucks Ford
Subject: FTE 97up - Supercharge?

Looks like one of the changes to the new SD's is a 35 HP increase for the
V-10. I have an early 99 F350 LB SRW 4X4 and use it for a daily driver and
do heavy towing on the weekends running from 1500 ft elevation to 7000 ft
then part way back down the hill to 5400 and then do it again all on the way
home. My only complaint is that for all the cubic inches I would have
thought the engine would perform better pulling the hills. I spend a lot of
time at full throttle and 4200-4400 RPM and the extra horses for '00 are in
my opinion much needed. Bottom line - I love the truck but would like to
see it have a little more power.

I see Paxton has a supercharger kit that claims a 60% increase in rear wheel
HP and a gain of approx 125 horses as well as a substantial gain in torque.
Sounds almost too good to be true. The question: Has anyone installed one
of these yet? What type of performance increase do you have? What do you
like most and what disappointments/concerns/problems? Would appreciate any
comments.


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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:18:38 -0700
From: "O'Connell, Dennis M"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - still need headers

You might try Hedman Headers. Their 800 number is 1-800-474-6996. They
helped me with my oddball setup. If you get a part number order them
through Summit racing and you can send them back if they don't fit.

Dennis
55F100

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> From: Margit Walden[SMTP:Margit goodnet.com]
> Reply To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 1999 10:47 AM
> To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE Perf - still need headers
>
> help me please. my friend is crawling up my butt because i told him
> fte would answer all his questions. he needs headers for his 56 pickup
> with a 351-c 2v heads and a volare front end. this seems to be a preety
> common set up. im sure there is many companies that make headers for
> his truck. any info would be greatly appreciated. thanks,
> bronco buster
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:44:34 -0400
From: Greg Carter
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - RE: FTE 97up - Supercharge?

I haven't installed a kit but for a truck you don't really want a
centrifugal type supercharger (Vortec, Paxton, Pro Charger). They don't
start to make boost until about 3000 rpm, and not 100% until much higher.
Where as your highway rpm is around 2200. Kenne Bell Superchargers makes a
screw type supercharger that makes 100% boost by 2000 rpm.

Give them a call, no www page, and order the catalogue. 909-941-6646, be
prepared for a little sticker shock though, 3300-3700 or so depending on
application.

Also see:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.arrowweb.net/casey/cDrag_nf.shtml
(kenne bell supercharged 4x3 F150 running 15.58 quarter miles, with 33"
tires and 4" lift)

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/1273/garage/garage.html
(installation on a Mustang and the results, impressive)

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.cybermotorsports.com/jeepeatr/why/
(info on various types of superchargers)

Bye.

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From: jmann living.com [mailto:jmann living.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 4:15 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com; Perf-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE Perf - RE: FTE 97up - Supercharge?


It may negatively affect your engines longevity. But, I've had the idea
myself for my 2000 F150. Vortex makes great blowers as well. I'll see if I
can find a link to their site.

Joe


- -----Original Message-----
From: Robert Benne [mailto:Benne-Scottsdale worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 9:49 AM
To: Trucks Ford
Subject: FTE 97up - Supercharge?

Looks like one of the changes to the new SD's is a 35 HP increase for the
V-10. I have an early 99 F350 LB SRW 4X4 and use it for a daily driver and
do heavy towing on the weekends running from 1500 ft elevation to 7000 ft
then part way back down the hill to 5400 and then do it again all on the way
home. My only complaint is that for all the cubic inches I would have
thought the engine would perform better pulling the hills. I spend a lot of
time at full throttle and 4200-4400 RPM and the extra horses for '00 are in
my opinion much needed. Bottom line - I love the truck but would like to
see it have a little more power.

I see Paxton has a supercharger kit that claims a 60% increase in rear wheel
HP and a gain of approx 125 horses as well as a substantial gain in torque.
Sounds almost too good to be true. The question: Has anyone installed one
of these yet? What type of performance increase do you have? What do you
like most and what disappointments/concerns/problems? Would appreciate any
comments.


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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:16:38 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD AOL.COM
Subject: FTE Perf - cool Item on Ebay, cheap too

thought some of yall would like this, Original 428 4v intake, bid starting at
10 bucks!

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item 167048661 (Ends 09/24/99, 09:23:46 PDT) - FORD 428 4 BBL INTAKE

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 13:18:08
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - A Little help, please!

>can't hook up a battery and test circuits. So, can anyone suggest a circuit
>I can tap into to get a "run-only" full voltage connection? Neither the TSM

You can use the "heater - A/C" connection in the fuse panel. The heater
should only work with the ignition on (that's the way it is on my '78
bronco). I'm not sure how much current a pump takes - 20 amps as in the
other post sounds ridiculous to me; 240 watts for a small gasoline pump?? I
would not expect it to use anything more than a few amps - in which case
you can safely hook it up to the fused side of the heater. Does the pump
say how much current it needs? If it's more than 5-10 amps you'd be better
off using a relay. You can still use the fuse panel to power the relay - I
wouldn't touch the coil if it is not necessary.



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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 09:35:03
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - 351M rpm's and calculations

>I would recommend that you get at least a cheap tach so you can get an
idea of
>where your engine rpm really is. You can spring for a good one, but for your
>purposes, a cheap tach would probably suffice.

How does one install a tachometer anyway? A mechanical one would be a pain
.. I guess I would have to look for one that has some sort of electrical /
induction pickup at the coil or spark plug wires. Right now I have a little
handheld digital multimeter that has a tach in it. I just use it to set and
tune the idle.....

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