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perf-list-digest Tuesday, September 14 1999 Volume 02 : Number 235



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In this issue:

Re: FTE Perf - you are giving me a headache
RE: FTE Perf - Prices
FTE Perf - Holley Pro*jection info wanted
Re: FTE Perf - "Chevy" Transmission Fluid
FTE Perf - Re: vibration noise at 1500 RPM
Re: FTE Perf - re: Wankewl (was: Feinstein-Gorton amendment (CAFE standards))
FTE Perf - Brand loyalty
Re: FTE Perf - Holley Pro*jection info wanted
RE: FTE Perf - Brand loyalty
Re: FTE Perf - Brand loyalty
Re: FTE Perf - Holley Pro*jection info wanted
Re: FTE Perf - Brand loyalty
Re: FTE Perf - Re: vibration noise at 1500 RPM
Re: FTE Perf - "Chevy" Transmission Fluid

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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 16:38:34
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - you are giving me a headache

>>or PeterBuilt then we "most of us" would have a 350 or 454 chevy
>I would rather set fire to my Ford than taint it's pedigree
>with a bowtie engine.

Hey.. Chevy is still THE choice for engines after ford and chrysler ;-)

At least those engines are better than those weeny 4.0 liter engines they
put in trucks nowadays.



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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 16:56:44
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Prices

>Oh, now my cousin drives a 98 F350 Crew cab 4x4 V10. I swear the kid is
>nuts.

How are those engines? I guess we'll know in a decade or so how they keep
up. Aren't they 8.0 liter? Or 7.3? I know d#dge has an 8.0 liter .. don'cha
love the big displacement engines? Too bad ford never made a 500 like
cadillac.. well ford made the 534 but I've never seen it in normal pickups..



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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:19:14 -0600
From: "Greg Kainz"
Subject: FTE Perf - Holley Pro*jection info wanted

Hi all;
I'm new to the list, so maybe this is already been hashed over numerous
times, but I'm gonna ask anyway. I've got an RV on a 83 Ford E-350, 460 and
Holley/Autolite 4bbl carb. I've struggled with vapor lock, poor power,
terrible (way worse than the 460 average of "just plain bad") mileage, etc.
I've re-routed the fuel lines off the block/water pump area to outside the
a/c compressor and then into the base of the carb. So far, 1 successful
1 -hour trip with no vapor lock, but most of the time it takes a couple of
hours to act up.
One speed shop recommended a birchwood heat spacer under the carb -
haven't tried that yet. I'm interested in hearing from anyone who's
installed the Pro*jection system, installation gotchas, performance results,
etc.
Thanks.
Greg
99 Expedition
93 Aerostar
83-E350
dreamin of a 50-somthing F100

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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:15:41 -0700
From: don neomagic.com (Donald Paauw)
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - "Chevy" Transmission Fluid

I'm confused about this "type". At Pep Boys, almost all of the auto trans
fluids said Dexron III/Mercon compatible. Would this work? Is there any
downside risk in doing this, such as deposits in the combustion chambers
(assuming less than 100 miles driven)? And if this does work, wouldn't
there be a commercial oil additive to do the same (I forgot to look for
this when I was at the store)?

>
> Thanks, I just didn't want him/her/them to use the Ford type II as it has
> no or little cleaning power. The Dextron is high detergent and works best
> in high pressure such as a lifter. To all have a good weekend.
>
>
>
> Thankfully, many other manufactureres, even FORD have used Dexron
> transmission fluid in their transmissions, so we don't have to feel like
> we're ruining a prefectly good Ford by pouring some Dexron into the
> engine!!! (There's your Jab, Mr. Ash!! :-) ) Seriously, it's not a bad
> way to clean an engine, though I would suggest running the engine for
> even longer than 10 miles.
> I'm remonded of a time my dad had me get a can of oil out of the back
> of our '57 Ford station wagon. He was quite annoyed with me because I
> handed him transmission fluid. Since that's all there was, and the car
> NEEDED some oil at that point, he muttered "Oh, well, I guess the engine
> could use some cleaning anyway." As I remember, it was a few hundred
> miles before Dad changed oil next.
> --

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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:26:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ryan Reinke
Subject: FTE Perf - Re: vibration noise at 1500 RPM

Hey all!

The reported increase in gas milage is gone- no idea
why...

I do need to ask if anyone has any suggestions on
quieting down a sheild that vibrates noisily at 1500
RPM. It is just off the transfercase between the
drive shaft and exhaust ('97 4X4 F150). I tightened
it all up - it seems to have gotten worse, but I think
I just pay more attention to it...

Thanks,
Ryan
__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:59:18 -0400
From: "Thomas J. Teixeira"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - re: Wankewl (was: Feinstein-Gorton amendment (CAFE standards))

At 02:47 AM 9/13/1999 +0000, Gerald Ash wrote:
>HELLO>
>You got it my friend. They( the auto makers) could care less what we want
>and how we have to work for it. All they want is all our moneys. FYI ( FOR
>YOUR INFORMATION ) check out the wankel rotary engine.
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.monito.com/wankel/advantages.html
>My friend the auto industry has had it squished. Most back yard mechanics
>could overhaul it for $80. It lasts almost forever compared to piston
>engines, you can stack the banks together to make any hp you want, it is
>lighter than conventional engines, now to help the farmers it could almost
>burn straight alcohol it met all pollution controls years ago but some large
>auto companies purchased the product patent and now it is history.

The Wankel WAS available commercially in Mazda's. Ford owned (and owns) a
big chunk of them, but the Wankel never made it into a Ford chassis.
Despite the mechanical simplicity, rebuilding the engine in an RX-7 isn't
supposed to be a cheap or simple proposition, but this may just be because
it's still a very unusual engine.

In any case, the Wankel's advantages (in the RX-7 at least) are high revs
and wide power band, but not killer torque at low RPM's which is what
people want in trucks.
Tom Teixeira mailto:tjt world.std.com
94 Taurus SHO 5-speed NESHOC/SHO Registry
'66 Mustang convertible (200 cid auto) http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://world.std.com/~tjt
'35 Ford Pickup (flathead V8)


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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:52:37 -0700
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE Perf - Brand loyalty

>I'm on this list for info, not for 'brand loyalty'

I believe this list is built on brand loyalty,hence the name
Ford Truck ENTHUSIASTS

>Don't laugh, I'm in process of getting the wife into a Subaru AWD..

I have owned cars and trucks for 25 years.The 2 biggest mistakes I made
were a 78 ch*vy van and a 86 Sub*ru.
I saw the light after junking the Sub*ru and buying a Explorer and can
guarantee you I will never buy a non-Ford again.
BTW if you think Ford parts are expensive wait until that Sub*ru breaks.
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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:19:06 -0700
From: George Miller
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Holley Pro*jection info wanted

I had trouble with pecrulation, gas boiling inside the carb float bowls,
on my 460, which provided some of the same symptoms as vapor lock. I
tried the spacers (up to 1"}, replaced fuel pump, filters and rebuilt
the carb. It was and is an Edelbrock 750. I sent it back to Edelbrock
and, after a month of telephone calls (no email there at that time) they
agreed it had a cracked main body casting that was allowing heat to come
directly up from the manifold to the float bowls. A long shot, but maybe
it's the carb?

George Miller

Greg Kainz wrote:
>
> Hi all;
> I'm new to the list, so maybe this is already been hashed over numerous
> times, but I'm gonna ask anyway. I've got an RV on a 83 Ford E-350, 460 and
> Holley/Autolite 4bbl carb. I've struggled with vapor lock, poor power,
> terrible (way worse than the 460 average of "just plain bad") mileage, etc.
> I've re-routed the fuel lines off the block/water pump area to outside the
> a/c compressor and then into the base of the carb. So far, 1 successful
> 1 -hour trip with no vapor lock, but most of the time it takes a couple of
> hours to act up.
> One speed shop recommended a birchwood heat spacer under the carb -
> haven't tried that yet. I'm interested in hearing from anyone who's
> installed the Pro*jection system, installation gotchas, performance results,
> etc.
> Thanks.
> Greg
> 99 Expedition
> 93 Aerostar
> 83-E350
> dreamin of a 50-somthing F100
>
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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:59:04 -0500
From: jmann living.com
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Brand loyalty

And I guaranty you that an Audi A4 Quattro will simply stomp a 4X4 Explorer
up an ice and snow covered road every time. There are few, if any, AWD
systems that can out perform Audi Quattro IV or Haldax(?) drive system.

But then again the Audi won't tow my boat like my 2000 F150 4x4. :)

Joe

- -----Original Message-----
From: J.S.H. [mailto:F428 ford-trucks.com]
Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 7:53 PM
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE Perf - Brand loyalty

>I'm on this list for info, not for 'brand loyalty'

I believe this list is built on brand loyalty,hence the name
Ford Truck ENTHUSIASTS

>Don't laugh, I'm in process of getting the wife into a Subaru AWD..

I have owned cars and trucks for 25 years.The 2 biggest mistakes I made
were a 78 ch*vy van and a 86 Sub*ru.
I saw the light after junking the Sub*ru and buying a Explorer and can
guarantee you I will never buy a non-Ford again.
BTW if you think Ford parts are expensive wait until that Sub*ru breaks.
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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:01:53 EDT
From: FLR150 AOL.COM
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Brand loyalty

In a message dated 9/13/99 9:51:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jmann living.com
writes:


up an ice and snow covered road every time. There are few, if any, AWD
systems that can out perform Audi Quattro IV or Haldax(?) drive system.

But then again the Audi won't tow my boat like my 2000 F150 4x4. :)

Joe >>
Guys,
Can we get back to the main topic of this list and website.....FORD TRUCKS?
Later
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:05:53 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD AOL.COM
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Holley Pro*jection info wanted

I just installed projection on my 460, and I am still in the process of
tuning it, as its the early model. I dont have a whole lotta time to mess
with it, so its kinda on a backburner, but so far everything is pretty good.
As soon as its tuned, Im gonna do a MPG test, which will also determine if I
have eliminated any Vaporlock problems. Stay tuned for more information. :)

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:56:21 -0700
From: "Tom Ewing"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Brand loyalty

It seems to me that "brand loyalty" doesn't exclude the possbility
of criticizing and expecting that brand to do better. I own two Fords
and race one of them weekly at the local amateur night bracket
drag races. I'm a loyal Ford fan, but I reserve the right to pat them
on the back for their current and past accomplishments, as well
as encourage them through my criticisms that they like all of
us business owners can and must continue to improve and strive
for a better product. Closing one's eyes to the downside of any
business's products will only allow that manufacturer to worsen and
eventually fail. Ford must compete and continue to improve if its
to survive. It needs to know where and when its customers feel
that it could do better. As a Ford fan I'm not threatened by
criticisms of Ford.
Tom



>I believe this list is built on brand loyalty,hence the name
>Ford Truck ENTHUSIASTS
>

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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:39:45 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD AOL.COM
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Re: vibration noise at 1500 RPM

In a message dated 9/13/99 2:27:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
huskercountryboy yahoo.com writes:


quieting down a shield that vibrates noisily at 1500
RPM. >>

My best solution to rattles on my old beast is to turn up the Stereo :)

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 04:47:31 GMT
From: "Gerald Ash"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - "Chevy" Transmission Fluid

Hello,
Yes the Dextron is the type that I use. The reason that it works so well as
it is a self cleaning type oil. Under high pressure like an auto
transmission or an engine hyd. lifter it cleans off the glaze or buildup
like in a frying pan that high pressure oil under a lot of heat leaves, thus
it makes the parts that have a critical or close tollerence continue to work
and not bind.
I guess that they make some other sort of additive but this works great and
at $1.50 the price can't be beat. Good luck and don't worry it will not....


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