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perf-list-digest Saturday, September 4 1999 Volume 02 : Number 225



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In this issue:

RE: FTE Perf - Oil Filters
FTE Perf - Supercharging and stroker engines
Re: FTE Perf - RE: Balance tube placement
Re: FTE Perf - Supercharging and stroker engines
RE: FTE Perf - Supercharging and stroker engines, now 351
FTE Perf - Off list topic, 99 Mustangs and Cobras
RE: FTE Perf - Supercharging and stroker engines, now 351
RE: FTE Perf - Off list topic, 99 Mustangs and Cobras
FTE Perf - possible 289 swap....
Re: FTE Perf - Off list topic, 99 Mustangs and Cobras
RE: FTE Perf - Off list topic, 99 Mustangs and Cobras
RE: FTE Perf - possible 289 swap....
RE: FTE Perf - possible 289 swap....
Re: FTE Perf - RE: Balance tube placement
Re: FTE Perf - RE: Balance tube placement
Re: FTE Perf - RE: Balance tube placement
FTE Perf - Re: Rebiuld manual, 4 speed overdrive

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 06:56:54 -0600
From: "Miska, Richard L (Rick)"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Oil Filters

Just read the letter on oil filters, that was very good......is there one
like that that is specific to oil brands etc and how each one rates?

Colorado Rick

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From: George Miller [mailto:mega55 lv.rmci.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 6:34 PM
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Subject: FTE Perf - Oil Filters


This is, unless another sleezy lawyer jumped on it again in the past
five minutes, the original site that took a close look at popular oil
filters. I guess freedom of speech is going the same way as guns;
politically incorrect unless used/spoken by a criminal or standing
president.

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 09:50:40 -0400
From: Greg Carter
Subject: FTE Perf - Supercharging and stroker engines

Hi,

I have just finished the driveline build up of my off road truck ('91 F-250)
which included Dana 60 front end conversion, 4.56 gears, and Detroit front
and rear...

Now on to the engine. It's a 5.0L, speed density controlled engine, with
Mazda 5.0 speed.

I have been looking at a number of options, including a 351 swap. I would
like to stay with the 5.0L (or something that resembles one). Has anyone
tried out the 347 'stroker' SVO kit? Or bought a 5.0L stroked engine
(http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.kaufmannproducts.com/enginekits.htm)? If so did you notice a
big improvement in low end torque compared to stock 5.0? Did it work OK
with computer (EFI) controlled engines?

Also I have been looking at superchargers and think that roots/screw type
are best for what I want (low rpm power) since they make all their boost by
2000 rpm. I know Kenne Bell makes one for the trucks, and that
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.bbkperformance.com/ makes a roots type (based on www.eaton.com
superchargers) for 5.0L Mustangs, just wondering if anyone has put one in a
truck.

Are there any other manufactures of roots/screw type superchargers for the
5.0?

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 08:10:57 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - RE: Balance tube placement

Yes Chris, you did point this out and I have given you credit in the past. I
just found this little tidbit and thought it was worth posting. It just
confirms the fact that the knowledge base on these lists is pretty much
unrivaled for accuracy as well as speed...pun intended.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

- -----Original Message-----
From: Chris Samuel
To: A Perf-List
Date: Thursday, September 02, 1999 6:44 PM
Subject: FTE Perf - RE: Balance tube placement


>This discussion has taken place before I just thought I'd quote an
>"official" source. You can read the whole article at :
>
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.nascar.com/news/1999news/August/31/00989592.html
>
>Kind-a nice to have somebody print a story up about something that us
>"Unofficial" engine builders had proven on the dyno years ago.
>Think I pointed this out a long time ago, Course "I" ain't an "Official"
>source :-)



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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 08:25:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: shane san miguel
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Supercharging and stroker engines

> I have been looking at a number of options,
> including a 351 swap. I would
> like to stay with the 5.0L (or something that
> resembles one). Has anyone
> tried out the 347 'stroker' SVO kit? Or bought a
> 5.0L stroked engine

There's one in a hot rod mad or something similar...
It is in a 93 stang I believe. With an overdrive
tranny and a supercharger, it gets over 22 mpg and
runs 10's in the quarter mile!

Seems to me I read something about the rod ratio not
being favorable for a 100,000 mile motor. That is,
don't expect the longevity to be similar to a
non-stroker or stock motor.

Could be wrong here...

Shane
55 F100 5.0
15.51 87 (cam coming soon)
289 Pinto waiting patiently


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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:45:18 -0400
From: Greg Carter
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Supercharging and stroker engines, now 351

Yes I received back an email from an engine builder that offered the 347
short block and he said that longevity is considerably reduced. And that
there is no low end torque gain. So it doesn't look like a good idea for my
truck...

I am looking for a 351w now...

Does anybody know if the Mazda 5 speed will bolt up to a 351? If no, what
are the good automatics with overdrive to look for, I think I remember
reading about certain bad automatics in the 'newer'(86-96) Ford trucks. Most
of my Ford performance knowledge is based on sixties era components. So if
I were doing this to my '68 Mustang I would look for a C6, but for the truck
I'll need something with OD.

Thanks.
Bye.
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From: shane san miguel [mailto:v8pinto yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, September 03, 1999 11:26 AM
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Supercharging and stroker engines



Seems to me I read something about the rod ratio not
being favorable for a 100,000 mile motor. That is,
don't expect the longevity to be similar to a
non-stroker or stock motor.

Could be wrong here...

Shane
55 F100 5.0
15.51 87 (cam coming soon)
289 Pinto waiting patiently
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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:53:36 EDT
From: ACMERCG AOL.COM
Subject: FTE Perf - Off list topic, 99 Mustangs and Cobras

I don't have access to this kind of info so, What is the diffrence between
the Mustang and Cobras? Talking New 99's, Just Cams and an apperance
package? The Cobra dosen't seem much faster than the regular stang, and I'm
trying to justify the 4 grand more it would cost for round fog lights and
diffrent fender badges...


thanks....

Joe
Lost in jersey
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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:54:38 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Supercharging and stroker engines, now 351

> I am looking for a 351w now...
>
> Does anybody know if the Mazda 5 speed will bolt up to a 351?

If it bolts up to a 302 it'll bolt up to a 351, same bolt patterns, the
thing you have to watch is the torque ratings, it may bolt up, but it might
not hold up ... what about a T5 swap? I never see truck guys talkin about
runnin stang trannies ... are they that much different ? never looked at
the truck trannies (manual), so if someone could enlighten me about what
they look like I'd really appreciate it ...


Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:03:01 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Off list topic, 99 Mustangs and Cobras

> I don't have access to this kind of info so, What is the
> diffrence between
> the Mustang and Cobras? Talking New 99's, Just Cams and an apperance
> package? The Cobra dosen't seem much faster than the regular
> stang, and I'm
> trying to justify the 4 grand more it would cost for round fog
> lights and
> diffrent fender badges...
>

Wow, you obviously haven't driven a 99 Cobra... there are 2 more cams on it
(one per side), which means 2 more valves per cylinder too, so its a 4V
(V=valve) motor, rated at 320hp, but they've had some admitted hp problems
and should be up to that after a fix comes out ... free of charge of course.
Also the new Cobras have an Independent Rear Suspension (IRS), this means
better handling and cornering (if you're a drag racer I'll swap you my live
axle for your IRS :) The visual changes are of course the hood, rims, and
fog lights (still ineffective from what I hear), inside you get slightly
different seats, white faced gauges and a different shift knob (ooohhh...)

This is all compared with a 260hp version with only 2V per cylinder and a
live rear axle ... the Cobra is a totally different beast once you get over
3,000 revs and once you drive one you'll never want to go back (I test drove
a 97 and am already wishing I had one instead of my GT)


Hope this helps you out a little ... I'm not real sure about the 99 Cobra's
as they've had a couple problems with them, but look for the '00's to
totally make up for it.

Also check out some of the sites like www.mustangworld.com and
www.musclestang.com you will find lots of good info there...including
people who own them on the message boards.


Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 12:02:45 EDT
From: ACMERCG AOL.COM
Subject: FTE Perf - possible 289 swap....

I've got access to a 300+ HP 289 that came out of an early Mustang, for a
REALLY good price. It's got a 280* cam in it with like .500 lift, ported and
polished heads, forged pistons 10.5/1, new rods and crank, and I was
wondering how this would work with my truck. I know it will physically bolt
up, but will the EFI work? What about accessories? Computer problems? Will
the heads bolt on to my 302? Are the 302 roller motors?

Thanks,

Joe
Lost in jersey
1992 F-150 4x4 302/AOD
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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 12:14:23 EDT
From: ACMERCG AOL.COM
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Off list topic, 99 Mustangs and Cobras

In a message dated 09/03/1999 12:03:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
wish iastate.edu writes:


Wow, you obviously haven't driven a 99 Cobra...
Drove it last night, and Wasn't impressed....

there are 2 more cams on it(one per side), which means 2 more valves per
cylinder too, so its a 4V (V=valve) motor, rated at 320hp,
This I know, but the HP is overated


Also the new Cobras have an Independent Rear Suspension (IRS), this means
better handling and cornering (if you're a drag racer I'll swap you my live
axle for your IRS :)
It rides a lot better, handling isn't much diffrent, again not that
impressive... not worth the 4 grand, but the IRS looks really cool

The visual changes are of course the hood, rims, and
fog lights (still ineffective from what I hear), inside you get slightly
different seats, white faced gauges and a different shift knob (ooohhh...)
a 4 grand shift knob... :)

This is all compared with a 260hp version with only 2V per cylinder and a
live rear axle ... the Cobra is a totally different beast once you get over
3,000 revs and once you drive one you'll never want to go back (I test drove
a 97 and am already wishing I had one instead of my GT)

I think my friends' 98 with a K&N, flowmasters, pulleys, and a B&M shifter is
faster... Seriously... but his is the only thing I can compare the Cobra
to. I've been racing Chevies for years and the Fords are totally diffrent
animals, I'm still learning.

Thanks,

joe
Lost in jersey

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:23:34 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Off list topic, 99 Mustangs and Cobras

> I think my friends' 98 with a K&N, flowmasters, pulleys, and a
> B&M shifter is
> faster... Seriously... but his is the only thing I can compare
> the Cobra

Your friend's 98 starts at a rated 225 + K&N + flowmasters +pulleys =
probably nearly 240hp... the shifter is supposedly much better, making gear
changes faster, and with the low hp on the Cobra now (probably really
290-310) your friends car will seem just as quick ... but get the extra
ponies under the Cobra hood and race him through an off ramp ... you'll find
things are different indeed...

> to. I've been racing Chevies for years and the Fords are
> totally diffrent
> animals, I'm still learning.


Its the whole OHC thing that's a different animal ;) People here are still
learning too, give it time, I'm still waiting for my revelation about these
things and what works best ....

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 13:26:59 -0400
From: Greg Carter
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - possible 289 swap....

Have you heard it run? I have a similar built 289 in a '68 Mustang.

I don't know if the newer EFI intakes will bolt up to the old heads, and you
wouldn't want to try to put your existing heads on the 289. But lets say for
augment sake that the EFI intake bolts up to the 289 heads, your EFI
computer would have to be upgraded to a Mass air kit ($580-$675 depending on
where you buy it) since your speed density computer would not be able to
handle that engine. You would also need to run headers for that cam, if
your state has smog laws than you'll have to have a cat. $169-$350 for
headers (depending on which kind), another 200-500 for exhaust. Then you'll
only be able to run premium because of the 10.5:1 compression.

You can run the serpentine belt/accessories on older 289/302. There is a
tech article on it on www.ford-trucks.com, so you'll be able to set it up.
However the idle with that cam will be erratic, well it is in my '68 with a
similar cam.

Is it still worth it?

Another option would be to forget the EFI and just use a carb, but I think
your trans is controlled by the computer as well so this may not be
possible.

Bye.

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From: ACMERCG AOL.COM [mailto:ACMERCG AOL.COM]
Sent: Friday, September 03, 1999 12:03 PM
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Subject: FTE Perf - possible 289 swap....


I've got access to a 300+ HP 289 that came out of an early Mustang, for a
REALLY good price. It's got a 280* cam in it with like .500 lift, ported
and
polished heads, forged pistons 10.5/1, new rods and crank, and I was
wondering how this would work with my truck. I know it will physically bolt

up, but will the EFI work? What about accessories? Computer problems?
Will
the heads bolt on to my 302? Are the 302 roller motors?

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 15:01:42 -0400
From: Greg Carter
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - possible 289 swap....

Sorry, you can run a computer controlled trans in a non computer car (what
yours would be if you went the carb - 289 route) with an add on controller:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.baumannengineering.com/tcs.htm

So it seems doable but without the EFI I would think, and some loss of
accessories at idle... your gas mileage would be horrible though.

Another concerns, I believe the 5.0 truck motor has a slightly different cam
than a LTD or other 5.0L for increased low end torque. The 289 setup is all
horsepower at higher rpm, not ideal in a truck, what gears do you have?
Bye.
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From: Greg Carter [mailto:greg.carter entrust.com]
Sent: Friday, September 03, 1999 1:27 PM
To: 'perf-list ford-trucks.com'
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - possible 289 swap....


Another option would be to forget the EFI and just use a carb, but I think
your trans is controlled by the computer as well so this may not be
possible.

Bye.

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From: ACMERCG AOL.COM [mailto:ACMERCG AOL.COM]
Sent: Friday, September 03, 1999 12:03 PM
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE Perf - possible 289 swap....


I've got access to a 300+ HP 289 that came out of an early Mustang, for a
REALLY good price. It's got a 280* cam in it with like .500 lift, ported
and
polished heads, forged pistons 10.5/1, new rods and crank, and I was
wondering how this would work with my truck. I know it will physically bolt

up, but will the EFI work? What about accessories? Computer problems?
Will
the heads bolt on to my 302? Are the 302 roller motors?

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 17:52:20 -0500
From: "Edward Saunders"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - RE: Balance tube placement

I'm feeling kind of stupid, I still don't understand the balance tube thing,
even after reading the article. What does this thing look like?
Ed Saunders
86 F-150 302


- ----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Samuel
To: A Perf-List
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 8:40 PM
Subject: FTE Perf - RE: Balance tube placement


>
> This discussion has taken place before I just thought I'd quote an
> "official" source. You can read the whole article at :
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.nascar.com/news/1999news/August/31/00989592.html
>
> Kind-a nice to have somebody print a story up about something that us
> "Unofficial" engine builders had proven on the dyno years ago.
> Think I pointed this out a long time ago, Course "I" ain't an "Official"
> source :-)
>
> Muel
>
>
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Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 19:21:23 -0400
From: "Thomas J. Teixeira"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - RE: Balance tube placement

At 05:52 PM 9/3/1999 -0500, Edward Saunders wrote:
>I'm feeling kind of stupid, I still don't understand the balance tube thing,
>even after reading the article. What does this thing look like?
>Ed Saunders

An exhaust pipe with a balance tube is often called an H-pipe: the balance
tube between the left and right exhaust pipes is the cross-bar on the H.

Tom Teixeira mailto:tjt world.std.com
94 Taurus SHO 5-speed NESHOC/SHO Registry
'66 Mustang convertible (200 cid auto) http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://world.std.com/~tjt
'35 Ford Pickup (flathead V8)


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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:34:12 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - RE: Balance tube placement

Well it can be accomplished a couple of different ways i.e. X or H shaped
but in it's most simple form it is a tube which runs between the left and
right exhaust pipes after they leave the header/manifold. Picture an H with
the motor at the top middle of the picture and the tailpipes at the bottom.
The balance tube is the crossbar in the middle.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

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From: Edward Saunders
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, September 03, 1999 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - RE: Balance tube placement


>I'm feeling kind of stupid, I still don't understand the balance tube
thing,
>even after reading the article. What does this thing look like?
>Ed Saunders
>86 F-150 302



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Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 23:16:17 -0600
From: nightcrawler
Subject: FTE Perf - Re: Rebiuld manual, 4 speed overdrive

perf-list-digest wrote:

> I am wondering where I can find a rebiuld manual for a Ford four speed manual
> trans. with over drive. I am rebiulding the transmission from my 78 F150 ext.
> cab 351m engine, and the shop manual does not have all the componets shown in
> the exploded veiw. I am looking for details concerning the springs that hold
> the tabs in place for the blocking rings, for the different gear
> synchronizers. After tearing down the trans I found that two of these were
> broke, and my rebiuld kit does not have them. Thanks for any help that any....

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