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perf-list-digest Tuesday, August 31 1999 Volume 02 : Number 221



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In this issue:

FTE Perf - re oil filter comparison
FTE Perf - Re: Overdrives-I mean what you know
RE: FTE Perf - re oil filter comparison
Re: FTE Perf - re oil filter comparison
FTE Perf - Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 09:15:53 -0700 (PDT)
FTE Perf - oil filters

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Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:03:52 -0700
From: "Vierra, William BGI SF"
Subject: FTE Perf - re oil filter comparison

I had read the oil filter comparison when it was posted a few months ago.
This was two days after I had changed the oil in all my vehicles and put a
Fram in each. I had been using Fram on and off for a years. I recently
changed the oil again and put on AC/DELCO filters based on what I could get
and the comparison (they are blue and come close to matching). Curiosity
got the better of me and I cut the Fram filters open and yes they are poorly
constructed with paper glued on at the bottom. They also retained a lot of
oil even after draining for a half an hour. I had noticed on one of the
vehicles that prior to the last two oil changes the normal running pressure
was dropping although the oil level was fine. This I believe was from the
Fram filters getting clogged even though I change the oil every 3000 miles.
It will be interesting to see what the AC/DELCO's look like in a few months.

I have noticed at a few Auto parts stores that they have displays of Oil
filters internals and all have Fram as the low end of the display. K & N
now I see has an oil filter it's a little pricey but I may be switching to
that. It does have the innovation of a nut on the bottom so you can remove
it with a normal socket wrench (gee what a good idea).

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Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:05:13 -0500
From: Phil DeSanto
Subject: FTE Perf - Re: Overdrives-I mean what you know

>Subject: Lists were down for the past 36 hours. Most of
>the postings during this period were lost. Ken Payne

I sent this once but will try again. I sent a really clumsily worded and
VERY incorrect response to the list on overdrive transmissions. I reread
it after I woke up and couldn't believe I wrote that. If it had been full
of typos, maybe I could have blamed it on Wish ?
Anyway, I got all twisted around and had the inputs and outputs
bassakwards. So sorry, I will sleep FIRST after hoot owls from now on !
Whew............Phil
P.S.- and as usual you guys are right on the mark.
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Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:30:52 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - re oil filter comparison

> Fram in each. I had been using Fram on and off for a years. I recently
> changed the oil again and put on AC/DELCO filters based on what


When I worked at an auto parts store, we had a slow day and were just
wondering weird things. With the popularity of the FL-1A I wondered what
the various brands used for numbering systems, so Fram was the PH8A, and Wix
was something else, then I grabbed the AC/Delco book and looked up a cross
reference number ... guess what ... there wasn't one! They have different
numbers for each application! I couldn't believe it, with Mopar and Fomoco
both using the FL1A as almost a standard filter, AC decided it wasn't worth
their investment to make an equivalent filter?!?!?


At any rate, that's my reason for shying away from these, I know its kind of
petty, but if Ford thought one filter was good enough for all its motors,
who's AC to tell them any different ?

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:31:44 -0700
From: "Gerald Ash"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - re oil filter comparison

In years gone by the BALDWIN filter was the one to have. Check with your
yellow pages and see if there is a dealer in your area. They are usually
sold by nut and bolt houses.
GA
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From: Vierra, William BGI SF
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Sent: Monday, August 30, 1999 9:03 AM
Subject: FTE Perf - re oil filter comparison


> I had read the oil filter comparison when it was posted a few months ago.
> This was two days after I had changed the oil in all my vehicles and put a
> Fram in each. I had been using Fram on and off for a years. I recently
> changed the oil again and put on AC/DELCO filters based on what I could
get
> and the comparison (they are blue and come close to matching). Curiosity
> got the better of me and I cut the Fram filters open and yes they are
poorly
> constructed with paper glued on at the bottom. They also retained a lot
of
> oil even after draining for a half an hour. I had noticed on one of the
> vehicles that prior to the last two oil changes the normal running
pressure
> was dropping although the oil level was fine. This I believe was from the
> Fram filters getting clogged even though I change the oil every 3000
miles.
> It will be interesting to see what the AC/DELCO's look like in a few
months.
>
> I have noticed at a few Auto parts stores that they have displays of Oil
> filters internals and all have Fram as the low end of the display. K & N
> now I see has an oil filter it's a little pricey but I may be switching to
> that. It does have the innovation of a nut on the bottom so you can
remove
> it with a normal socket wrench (gee what a good idea).
>
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>
>
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Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:25:45 -0500
From: Neal Armstrong
Subject: FTE Perf - Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 09:15:53 -0700 (PDT)

He found shoddy construction & cheap materials (cardboard where others
had metal parts, & filter media obviously inferior). Champion and I
think Pennzoil were the same as the Fram. Best were Wix, Purolator,
Motorcraft (made by Purolator but ususally less expensive).

I've been in several auto parts stores where there are displays of
cut-open filters, and the differences are pretty apparent. Hard to beat
Wix.

Neal
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Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:56:17 -0500
From: "David Claflin"
Subject: FTE Perf - oil filters

The Wix/NAPA are made by the same outfit, so there is no comparison. As far
as what is ugly about the fram is the actual filter is about the size of a
coke can; whereas the WIX is about as large as will fit in the filter
housing. This means there is a lot more filtering capacity, plus the filter
media has a metal cap on each end instead of being glued to a piece of
cardboard at each end like the fram. I only use the motorcraft/purolater if
I can't get a WIX/NAPA filter, which hasn't happened in a long time.
Supposedly the AC/Delco are good also but I can't bring myself to put a GM
part on my FORD.

Super Dave


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