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perf-list-digest Sunday, August 29 1999 Volume 02 : Number 219

Ford Truck Enthusiasts - Performance
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RE: FTE Perf - oil filter comparo
Re: [Re: FTE Perf - oil filter comparo]
FTE Perf - Re: Who said that ?
: Re: FTE Perf - oil filter comparo



Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 06:07:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: shane san miguel
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - oil filter comparo


- --- J Cope wrote:
> Why would anyone on this list use anything but
> Ford/Motorcraft anyway? :)
> JC
> '88 BII XLT
> 235/70R15s
> 10k tow hooks
> 40ch CB
> Removed airbox
> K&N
> Light bar
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-perf-list
> [mailto:owner-perf-list]On Behalf Of
> James Krehmke
> Sent: Friday, August 27, 1999 8:06 AM
> To: perf-list
> Subject: Re: FTE Perf - oil filter comparo
> I dif the Fram/Wix comparo on AIR filters. There
> you can SEE the quality
> difference.
> The Nebraska Co. That makes most filters is J.A.
> Baldwin. They make them to
> any quality level the customer desires.
> Old J.A. drove a Ferrari 365GT, and wife an
> Aston-Martin DB5, amother rides.
> Made quite a splash in Kearney, NE.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Buck Shoff
> To:
> Sent: Friday, August 27, 1999 7:56 PM
> Subject: Re: FTE Perf - oil filter comparo
> > I think they may put drugs in those Fram filters
> to get people hooked on
> > them. I was totaly addicted to Fram until I saw a
> display in a parts
> > store. They had a Fram, a Wix, and another brand
> that I can't remember
> > all cut open. It was obvious that the Fram was
> downright cheap and
> > shoddy. I have been Fram free since that day.
> Don't take my word for
> > it, however, buy a Fram PH8A and a Wix 51515 and
> cut them open at home.
> > See for yourself. It will only be about a 10 buck
> deal and the engine
> > you save may be your very own.
> > Buck Shoff
> > ex Framaholic
> >
> > Ryan Reinke wrote:
> > >
> > > Who opened up the different filters? What was
> inside
> > > the fram that was so amazing?
> > >
> > > I have used fram since I was 15 and never had
> any
> > > problems... (plus they are made locally in
> Nebraska
> > > if memory serves)
> > >
> > >
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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 10:17:40 -0400
From: "Thomas J. Teixeira"
Subject: Re: [Re: FTE Perf - oil filter comparo]

At 08:48 PM 8/27/1999 -0400, Tim Turner wrote:
>"Thomas J. Teixeira" wrote:
>> At 02:53 PM 8/27/1999 -0700, Bill Beyer wrote:
>> >Unfortunately the actual filter camparison page has been taken down due to
>> >some legal action threatened by one filter retailer.
>Which one? I'll certainly never buy their product again.

I don't know for sure, but others have speculated.

>> author's opinions and recommendations have been removed but some basic
>> comparison data is still there.
>So much for free speech... It would have been interesting if "Consumer
>Reports" had said something similar to see what the action would have been.

Yes, it would, but there are still some interesting boundaries on 'free
speech'. The incident now with Blue Oval News is another higher profile
case. In the case of Consumer Reports, they have at least some money for
legal defense and professional staff. I actually e-mailed the author of the
oil filter site and offered some (very modest) financial help for legal
work, but his site seemed to just have his opinions and reported on what he
found by opening up oil filters. claiming 'free speech' there seems more
valid to me than if you're reprinting information often labeled as company

Tom Teixeira '35 pickup

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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 11:43:48 -0500
From: Phil DeSanto
Subject: FTE Perf - Re: Who said that ?

(the driveshaft DOES run faster then the engine in first and
>second )

Before anyone else shoots me down, I'll do it myself. Bang, Bang, Bang !
I got all turned around in this OD post and got my inputs and outputs
bass-akwards. Too many hoot owls I guess ! I could say I had "Wish" type
it up for me...hmmmm ? Sorry for the confusion. Thank you Azie for
waking me up. Phil
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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 22:12:09 -0700
From: "Keith Christensen"
Subject: : Re: FTE Perf - oil filter comparo

Just an FYI on FRAM . I quit putting them on *anything* after physically
blowing one up on a rebuild while 'pre-priming' the system using a wimpy
1/4" drill to spin the oil pump using an old distributer with the cam-drive
teeth ground off .

I've been thru a few of the 'cut 'em open' tests on new and used filters
over the last 30 years, and the only one that *really* impressed me was the
old 'Hastings' brand that's (sad) no longer available(I may be wrong on
that). They used a 'combo' of cotton waste and folded paper media that
seemed like the best answer .

What's really interesting is that 'house brand' filters from places like
Schucks /Kragen/ Pep Boys are so variable .. just like their shocks.

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