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 ford-trucks.com (perf-list-digest) To: perf-list-digest ford-trucks.com Subject: perf-list-digest V2 #218 Reply-To: perf-list ford-trucks.com Sender: owner-perf-list-digest ford-trucks.com Errors-To: owner-perf-list-digest ford-trucks.com Precedence: bulk perf-list-digest Saturday, August 28 1999 Volume 02 : Number 218 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - Performance Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: majordomo ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe perf-list-digest" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: FTE Perf - Od and Gas milage FTE Perf - Sway bars Re: FTE Perf - Sway bars FTE Perf - Re: FTE Perf - ADMIN: Official FTE press release RE: RE: FTE Perf - OD and Gas Mileage RE: FTE Perf - Sway bars FTE Perf - ADMIN: 2001 Supercrew specifications Re: FTE Perf -Need copy of service bulletins RE: FTE Perf - Sway bars RE: FTE Perf - Sway bars Re: FTE Perf - oil filter comparo RE: FTE Perf - oil filter comparo FTE Perf - increase in mpg Re: FTE Perf - oil filter comparo FTE Perf - Re: Ode to OD Re: FTE Perf - oil filter comparo Re: [RE: FTE Perf - oil filter comparo] and an observation. Re: FTE Perf - ADMIN: Official FTE press release Re: [Re: FTE Perf - oil filter comparo] Re: FTE Perf - oil filter comparo Re: FTE Perf - oil filter comparo Re: FTE Perf - oil filter comparo RE: FTE Perf - oil filter comparo ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:58:41 -0400 From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com Subject: FTE Perf - Od and Gas milage J C writes: >> If I'm in driving down the highway in Overdrive with the torque converter locked, does that mean that my drive shaft is spinning faster than my engine (hence Overdrive)? Yep!! You got it. Dead on. >> If that is the case, wouldn't going faster (but still keeping the torque converter locked) increase my gas mileage? This is where most get confused. OD is normally .7, so if your drive shaft is only turning 7 tenths of a revolution in OD as compared to 1 in convetional hi, then theoretically you should get 30% better mileage.. It don't exactly work that way because the load increases at the same throttle position and you loose some effeciency due to load and added friction of the extra gears and such. If your load increases such that you are in a dead pull, then you could actually decrease your gas mileage. The faster you go (increased wind load) the less you can expect to gain. The capability of the engine must be taken into consideration when gearing for optimum gas mileage. The current day Detroit powered Iron gets maximum efficiency in the 1800-2200 rpm range, hence you will see most of them tacking in this range at 55/75 MPH which covers most State highways speed limits as well as the Interstates. Hope I did not confuse you too much. I'm sure there are some on this list that can better explain it. Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:09:22 -0400 From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com Subject: FTE Perf - Sway bars Derek writes: >> Has anyone put F&R (anti)swaybars on their truck? Are they worth it? Do they compromise i-beam travel, load capacity, or anything else? JC Bolt-On has Hellwig bars for our trucks at a reasonable price. I love sway bars. I've got them on all kinds of vehicles. They do stiffen the chassis quite a bit, but for my purposes, the swap off is well worth it. They will limit I beam travel somewhat, but unless you go rock crawling or something similar, I don't think it will effect your trucks abilities. They probably increase load carrying capacity somewhat, but not worth mentioning. The leveling of load and conering will greatly improve. Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:41:33 EDT From: "Gerald Ash" Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Sway bars Can you tell me if they can be put on a Ford F150, 1978, twin I beam? Thanks, GA - ----Original Message Follows---- From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com Reply-To: perf-list ford-trucks.com To: Perf-list Ford-trucks.com Subject: FTE Perf - Sway bars Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:09:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 >From owner-perf-list ford-trucks.com Fri Aug 27 06:14:21 1999 Received: from [192.41.63.203] by hotmail.com (2.1) with ESMTP id MHotMailB98FDA2D00E5D821979FC0293FCB10080; Fri Aug 27 06:14:21 1999 Received: (fordtruc localhost) by ford-trucks.com (8.8.5) id JAA06118; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fxiod04.is.chrysler.com (firewall-user fxiod04.extra.daimlerchrysler.com [204.189.94.73]) by ford-trucks.com (8.8.5) id JAA06027; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:12:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: ford-trucks.com: Host firewall-user fxiod04.extra.daimlerchrysler.com [204.189.94.73] claimed to be fxiod04.is.chrysler.com Received: from odnpspr2-nf0.oddc.chrysler.com (odnpspr2-nf0.oddc.chrysler.com [129.9.202.74])by fxiod04.is.chrysler.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA01757for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:06:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lngodd03.notes.chrysler.com (odln01-nf1.notes.chrysler.com [129.9.202.40])by odnpspr2-nf0.oddc.chrysler.com (8.9.0/8.9.0/daimlerchrysler-relay-1.0-kcd) with SMTP id JAA09365for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:12:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lngodd03.notes.chrysler.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (733.2 10-16-1998)) id 852567DA.004882E4 ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:12:00 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CHRYSLER Message-ID: Sender: owner-perf-list ford-trucks.com Precedence: bulk Derek writes: >> Has anyone put F&R (anti)swaybars on their truck? Are they worth it? Do they compromise i-beam travel, load capacity, or anything else? JC Bolt-On has Hellwig bars for our trucks at a reasonable price. I love sway bars. I've got them on all kinds of vehicles. They do stiffen the chassis quite a bit, but for my purposes, the swap off is well worth it. They will limit I beam travel somewhat, but unless you go rock crawling or something similar, I don't think it will effect your trucks abilities. They probably increase load carrying capacity somewhat, but not worth mentioning. The leveling of load and conering will greatly improve. Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.msn.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:36:06 -0400 From: "william.hickey" Subject: FTE Perf - Re: I don't know about the full size trucks but I put a rear Hellwig sway bar on my old 1993 Ranger after I installed a 3 inch lift kit. It made a BIG difference in the way it handled ......... very little body roll ....... never got around to installing a set on the front though. Bill owner-perf-list ford-trucks.com on 08/26/99 05:32:05 PM Please respond to perf-list ford-trucks.com SMTP To: perf-list ford-trucks.com SMTP cc: Subject: Hi all: My daily driver is a 92 F150 XLT 4x2 supercab with the 300/6 engine and the mazda 5-speed. I get about 15 mpg, and I'm reasonably pleased with performance. However, I have a couple of questions: 1) The truck handles/corners like, well, like a truck. We do a lot of mountain driving, etc, and experience a lot of body roll in the transitions. Has anyone put F&R (anti)swaybars on their truck? Are they worth it? Do they compromise i-beam travel, load capacity, or anything else? JC Bolt-On has Hellwig bars for our trucks at a reasonable price... 2) Are there any good perf mods (bolt-on or similar) for this rig? Can I get a chip, for instance? A KN filter for my airbox, maybe? Any other ideas? Would a hot manifold and/or a header help the factory setup? Reccomendations? Thanks much.... Derek Whiteside derekw *spamremove*rocketmail.com Corvallis, OR 92 F150 XLT Supercab 70 AMC Javelin SST 65 AMC Rambler Classic 770 _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:52:22 -0400 From: kpayne ford-trucks.com Subject: FTE Perf - ADMIN: Official FTE press release FTE has expressed its opinion on the recent legal action of Ford Motor Company against BlueOvalNews.com on its web site. The release can be found at: http://www.ford-trucks.com/response.html We've also sent this release to major news agencies. Ken Payne Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:05:01 -0700 From: "Hogan, Tom" Subject: RE: RE: FTE Perf - OD and Gas Mileage JC Whitless used to sell an aftermarket trip computer. Some had cruise control built in. I don't know if they are still available. Tom H > ---------- > From: Sleddog[SMTP:kevkem epix.net] > Reply To: perf-list ford-trucks.com > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 1999 1:06 PM > To: 'perf-list ford-trucks.com' > Subject: RE: RE: FTE Perf - OD and Gas Mileage > > Don't know. i always wanted one in my tow vehicle, but have never seen > one. I imagine, it might be possible to fab a ford unit to it, but that > is > definately beyond my ability, or at least beyond what i want to try. i'd > rather put my effort into finding that last couple horses or traction to > win on the track. > > kevin > > ---------- > From: 88biixlt fncool.com[SMTP:88biixlt fncool.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 1999 12:28 PM > To: perf-list ford-trucks.com > Subject: Re: RE: FTE Perf - OD and Gas Mileage > > Is there any way I can get one for my '88 BII? I know you can get > aftermarket tachs, oil pressure gauges, etc., but it would seem that > this would be slightly more complicated... > > > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:09:53 -0700 From: "Hogan, Tom" Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Sway bars Ford did put sway bars on the front I beams of F-250s and higher. I don't think there is that much if any difference in dimensions and am planning a swap myself. For a stock setup you will need to get the bracket that attaches the bar to the I beam. It mounts under the spring. Tom H. > ---------- > From: Gerald Ash[SMTP:ga1998 hotmail.com] > Reply To: perf-list ford-trucks.com > Sent: Friday, August 27, 1999 9:41 AM > To: perf-list ford-trucks.com > Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Sway bars > > Can you tell me if they can be put on a Ford F150, 1978, twin I beam? > Thanks, > GA > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com > Reply-To: perf-list ford-trucks.com > To: Perf-list Ford-trucks.com > Subject: FTE Perf - Sway bars > Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:09:22 -0400 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > From owner-perf-list ford-trucks.com Fri Aug 27 06:14:21 1999 > Received: from [192.41.63.203] by hotmail.com (2.1) with ESMTP id > MHotMailB98FDA2D00E5D821979FC0293FCB10080; Fri Aug 27 06:14:21 1999 > Received: (fordtruc localhost) by ford-trucks.com (8.8.5) id JAA06118; > Fri, > 27 Aug 1999 09:12:16 -0400 (EDT) > Received: from fxiod04.is.chrysler.com > (firewall-user fxiod04.extra.daimlerchrysler.com [204.189.94.73]) by > ford-trucks.com (8.8.5) id JAA06027; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:12:10 -0400 (EDT) > X-Authentication-Warning: ford-trucks.com: Host > firewall-user fxiod04.extra.daimlerchrysler.com [204.189.94.73] claimed to > > be fxiod04.is.chrysler.com > Received: from odnpspr2-nf0.oddc.chrysler.com > (odnpspr2-nf0.oddc.chrysler.com [129.9.202.74])by fxiod04.is.chrysler.com > (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA01757for ; Fri, > 27 > Aug 1999 09:06:35 -0400 (EDT) > Received: from lngodd03.notes.chrysler.com (odln01-nf1.notes.chrysler.com > [129.9.202.40])by odnpspr2-nf0.oddc.chrysler.com > (8.9.0/8.9.0/daimlerchrysler-relay-1.0-kcd) with SMTP id JAA09365for > ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:12:06 -0400 (EDT) > Received: by lngodd03.notes.chrysler.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (733.2 > 10-16-1998)) id 852567DA.004882E4 ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:12:00 -0400 > X-Lotus-FromDomain: CHRYSLER > Message-ID: > Sender: owner-perf-list ford-trucks.com > Precedence: bulk > > Derek writes: >> Has anyone put F&R (anti)swaybars on their truck? Are > they worth it? Do they compromise i-beam travel, load capacity, or > anything else? JC Bolt-On has Hellwig bars for our trucks at a > reasonable price. > > I love sway bars. I've got them on all kinds of vehicles. They do stiffen > > the > chassis quite a bit, but for my purposes, the swap off is well worth it. > They > will limit I beam travel somewhat, but unless you go rock crawling or > something > similar, I don't think it will effect your trucks abilities. They > probably > increase load carrying capacity somewhat, but not worth mentioning. The > leveling of load and conering will greatly improve. > > Azie > Ardmore, Al. > > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.msn.com > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:59:41 -0400 From: kpayne ford-trucks.com Subject: FTE Perf - ADMIN: 2001 Supercrew specifications Preliminary specifications for the 2001 F150 Supercrew have been added to the news section of the web site. Ken Payne Admin == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:13:19 -0700 From: Dave Santo Subject: Re: FTE Perf -Need copy of service bulletins Dale, Try http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.alldata.com/ or http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.autosafety.org Additionally, before purchasing a used vehicle check out http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.carfax.com/ "Ratcliff, Dale" wrote: > > Does anyone have a copy of the following bulletins? [snip] > > Dale Ratcliff > Email : dratc Telxon.com - -- Dave Santo dhsanto home.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 14:51:23 EDT From: "Gerald Ash" Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Sway bars Thanks I will look into that as I also experence washout in curves. It is safe but makes the passengers grab and hold on tight as they are use to the flat cornering autos/trucks. Good luck with your project, Gerald Ash - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Hogan, Tom" Reply-To: perf-list ford-trucks.com To: "'perf-list ford-trucks.com'" Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Sway bars Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:09:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 >From owner-perf-list ford-trucks.com Fri Aug 27 08:13:20 1999 Received: from [192.41.63.203] by hotmail.com (2.1) with ESMTP id MHotMailB98FF60B0147D82197AEC0293FCB0C070; Fri Aug 27 08:13:20 1999 Received: (fordtruc localhost) by ford-trucks.com (8.8.5) id LAA26286; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:10:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kla-tencor.com ([206.67.220.38]) by ford-trucks.com (8.8.5) id LAA26275; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:10:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: ford-trucks.com: Host [206.67.220.38] claimed to be kla-tencor.com Received: from milxbh02.kla-tencor.com by kla-tencor.com (8.8.5/KLA-Tencor.3.6ir)id IAA21549; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:09:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by milxbh02.kla-tencor.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)id ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:09:58 -0700 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Sender: owner-perf-list ford-trucks.com Precedence: bulk Ford did put sway bars on the front I beams of F-250s and higher. I don't think there is that much if any difference in dimensions and am planning a swap myself. For a stock setup you will need to get the bracket that attaches the bar to the I beam. It mounts under the spring. Tom H. > ---------- > From: Gerald Ash[SMTP:ga1998 hotmail.com] > Reply To: perf-list ford-trucks.com > Sent: Friday, August 27, 1999 9:41 AM > To: perf-list ford-trucks.com > Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Sway bars > > Can you tell me if they can be put on a Ford F150, 1978, twin I beam? > Thanks, > GA > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com > Reply-To: perf-list ford-trucks.com > To: Perf-list Ford-trucks.com > Subject: FTE Perf - Sway bars > Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:09:22 -0400 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > From owner-perf-list ford-trucks.com Fri Aug 27 06:14:21 1999 > Received: from [192.41.63.203] by hotmail.com (2.1) with ESMTP id > MHotMailB98FDA2D00E5D821979FC0293FCB10080; Fri Aug 27 06:14:21 1999 > Received: (fordtruc localhost) by ford-trucks.com (8.8.5) id JAA06118; > Fri, > 27 Aug 1999 09:12:16 -0400 (EDT) > Received: from fxiod04.is.chrysler.com > (firewall-user fxiod04.extra.daimlerchrysler.com [204.189.94.73]) by > ford-trucks.com (8.8.5) id JAA06027; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:12:10 -0400 (EDT) > X-Authentication-Warning: ford-trucks.com: Host > firewall-user fxiod04.extra.daimlerchrysler.com [204.189.94.73] claimed to > > be fxiod04.is.chrysler.com > Received: from odnpspr2-nf0.oddc.chrysler.com > (odnpspr2-nf0.oddc.chrysler.com [129.9.202.74])by fxiod04.is.chrysler.com > (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA01757for ; Fri, > 27 > Aug 1999 09:06:35 -0400 (EDT) > Received: from lngodd03.notes.chrysler.com (odln01-nf1.notes.chrysler.com > [129.9.202.40])by odnpspr2-nf0.oddc.chrysler.com > (8.9.0/8.9.0/daimlerchrysler-relay-1.0-kcd) with SMTP id JAA09365for > ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:12:06 -0400 (EDT) > Received: by lngodd03.notes.chrysler.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (733.2 > 10-16-1998)) id 852567DA.004882E4 ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:12:00 -0400 > X-Lotus-FromDomain: CHRYSLER > Message-ID: > Sender: owner-perf-list ford-trucks.com > Precedence: bulk > > Derek writes: >> Has anyone put F&R (anti)swaybars on their truck? Are > they worth it? Do they compromise i-beam travel, load capacity, or > anything else? JC Bolt-On has Hellwig bars for our trucks at a > reasonable price. > > I love sway bars. I've got them on all kinds of vehicles. They do stiffen > > the > chassis quite a bit, but for my purposes, the swap off is well worth it. > They > will limit I beam travel somewhat, but unless you go rock crawling or > something > similar, I don't think it will effect your trucks abilities. They > probably > increase load carrying capacity somewhat, but not worth mentioning. The > leveling of load and conering will greatly improve. > > Azie > Ardmore, Al. > > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.msn.com > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.msn.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 14:01:52 -0500 From: "William S. Hart" Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Sway bars > Thanks I will look into that as I also experence washout in > curves. It is > safe but makes the passengers grab and hold on tight as they are > use to the > flat cornering autos/trucks. > Good luck with your project, Any chance you could be a touch more specific about what you mean by "washout ?" This is one I haven't heard yet and would like to know what you mean by it ... Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 4.6L 73ish F100 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:28:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Ryan Reinke Subject: Re: FTE Perf - oil filter comparo Who opened up the different filters? What was inside the fram that was so amazing? I have used fram since I was 15 and never had any problems... (plus they are made locally in Nebraska if memory serves) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 15:37:08 -0500 From: "William S. Hart" Subject: RE: FTE Perf - oil filter comparo > Who opened up the different filters? What was inside > the fram that was so amazing? > > I have used fram since I was 15 and never had any > problems... (plus they are made locally in Nebraska > if memory serves) > Check out the minimopar site, you can find a link to it from my /links.html page at my site... Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 4.6L 73ish F100 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:40:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Ryan Reinke Subject: FTE Perf - increase in mpg Talk about weird! I had been getting about 13 to 17 mpg with my '97 150 short box, oversized tires, manual 5 sp, 4.6 v8. I don't know what happened but I have just finished my 3rd tank that got 18 to 20! The first was Texaco, but the others were local stations... The only thing I have done in the last 4,000 miles is change the oil (it is due, but which filter :) and add the lund screen front to my grill to keep the bugs out! I used 30 weight low ash oil and a fram.... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 14:53:14 -0700 From: "Bill Beyer" Subject: Re: FTE Perf - oil filter comparo Unfortunately the actual filter camparison page has been taken down due to some legal action threatened by one filter retailer. If memory serves the issue with the Fram filters was the quality of the filter media as well as the quality of construction. "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets" - -----Original Message----- From: William S. Hart To: perf-list ford-trucks.com Date: Friday, August 27, 1999 1:41 PM Subject: RE: FTE Perf - oil filter comparo > > Who opened up the different filters? What was inside > > the fram that was so amazing? > > > > I have used fram since I was 15 and never had any > > problems... (plus they are made locally in Nebraska > > if memory serves) > > >Check out the minimopar site, you can find a link to it from my /links.html >page at my site... == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 17:35:34 -0500 From: Phil DeSanto Subject: FTE Perf - Re: Ode to OD JC- No, the purpose for overdrive isn't to make the driveshaft go "faster" then the engine, but to let the engine run even "slower" at a given road speed. (the driveshaft DOES run faster then the engine in first and second )For instance: with a straight 1:1, 3rd gear ratio of a normal auto, the engine rpm at 60 might be 2000. But with the OD ratio of say .87:1, it would only be 1740. That should equate to better economy at cruising speeds. Hope this helps, Phil >perf-list-digest Friday, August 27 1999 >Number 217 >Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 >From: 88biixlt fncool.com >Subject: FTE Perf - OD and Gas Mileage > >If I'm in driving down the highway in Overdrive with the torque >converter locked, does that mean that my drive shaft is spinning >faster than my engine (hence Overdrive)? >JC ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:31:52 -0400 From: "Thomas J. Teixeira" Subject: Re: FTE Perf - oil filter comparo At 02:53 PM 8/27/1999 -0700, Bill Beyer wrote: >Unfortunately the actual filter camparison page has been taken down due to >some legal action threatened by one filter retailer. If memory serves the >issue with the Fram filters was the quality of the filter media as well as >the quality of construction. The page at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://minimopar.simplenet.com/oilfilterstudy.html is back. The author's opinions and recommendations have been removed but some basic comparison data is still there. This includes pictures of disassembled oil filters and data on the total area of filter media. Tom Teixeira '35 pickup http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://world.std.com/~tjt/35Pickup.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: 27 Aug 99 20:19:30 EDT From: Tim Turner Subject: Re: [RE: FTE Perf - oil filter comparo] and an observation. > > Who opened up the different filters? What was inside > > the fram that was so amazing? > > > > I have used fram since I was 15 and never had any > > problems... (plus they are made locally in Nebraska > > if memory serves) > > I have no idea WHY, but in 15 years of turning wrenches for a living I've= found that 'Fram' is the most likely filter to be darn near impossible to= remove during an oil change. The worst I ever saw was when it was down t= o the base plate (all the rest having been ripped off by various devices), hamm= er and screwdriver wouldn't even budge that hummer.. In desperation the torc= h was dragged over to melt the rubber gasket!! (It worked.. but I dont condone= it as hot rubber will be splattering everywhere when you hit it.) All this = for a $20 oil change.. Didn't make any money on that one! Tim ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://webm= ail.netscape.com. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 17:26:20 -0700 From: George Miller Subject: Re: FTE Perf - ADMIN: Official FTE press release I agree with your statement. George Miller kpayne ford-trucks.com wrote: > > FTE has expressed its opinion on the recent legal action of > Ford Motor Company against BlueOvalNews.com on its web site. > The release can be found at: > > http://www.ford-trucks.com/response.html > > We've also sent this release to major news agencies. > > Ken Payne > Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: 27 Aug 99 20:48:09 EDT From: Tim Turner Subject: Re: [Re: FTE Perf - oil filter comparo] "Thomas J. Teixeira" wrote: > At 02:53 PM 8/27/1999 -0700, Bill Beyer wrote: > >Unfortunately the actual filter camparison page has been taken down du= e to > >some legal action threatened by one filter retailer. = Which one? I'll certainly never buy their product again. > author's opinions and recommendations have been removed but some basic > comparison data is still there. So much for free speech... It would have been interesting if "Consumer Reports" had said something similar to see what the action would have bee= n. Tim ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://webm= ail.netscape.com. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 18:12:21 -0700 From: George Miller Subject: Re: FTE Perf - oil filter comparo It was an interesting and informative site, especially the info about check valves and media construction. Some of the marketing people responsible for retail distribution with Fram and others must have gone insane from the truth when they viewed it. The majority of the motoring public base purchase determinations on product advertising and price. That's why I like the FTE sites - facts and hands-on experience related by interested individuals is info you won't normally find in mass retail product advertising or at most automotive chain store retailers. George Miller Bill Beyer wrote: > > Unfortunately the actual filter camparison page has been taken down due to > some legal action threatened by one filter retailer. If memory serves the > issue with the Fram filters was the quality of the filter media as well as > the quality of construction. > > "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets" > > -----Original Message----- > From: William S. Hart > To: perf-list ford-trucks.com > Date: Friday, August 27, 1999 1:41 PM > Subject: RE: FTE Perf - oil filter comparo > > > > Who opened up the different filters? What was inside > > > the fram that was so amazing? > > > > > > I have used fram since I was 15 and never had any > > > problems... (plus they are made locally in Nebraska > > > if memory serves) > > > > >Check out the minimopar site, you can find a link to it from my /links.html > >page at my site... > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:56:53 -0500 From: Buck Shoff Subject: Re: FTE Perf - oil filter comparo I think they may put drugs in those Fram filters to get people hooked on them. I was totaly addicted to Fram until I saw a display in a parts store. They had a Fram, a Wix, and another brand that I can't remember all cut open. It was obvious that the Fram was downright cheap and shoddy. I have been Fram free since that day. Don't take my word for it, however, buy a Fram PH8A and a Wix 51515 and cut them open at home. See for yourself. It will only be about a 10 buck deal and the engine you save may be your very own. Buck Shoff ex Framaholic Ryan Reinke wrote: > > Who opened up the different filters? What was inside > the fram that was so amazing? > > I have used fram since I was 15 and never had any > problems... (plus they are made locally in Nebraska > if memory serves) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 05:05:35 -0700 From: "James Krehmke" Subject: Re: FTE Perf - oil filter comparo I dif the Fram/Wix comparo on AIR filters. There you can SEE the quality difference. The Nebraska Co. That makes most filters is J.A. Baldwin. They make them to any quality level the customer desires. Old J.A. drove a Ferrari 365GT, and wife an Aston-Martin DB5, amother rides. Made quite a splash in Kearney, NE. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Buck Shoff To: Sent: Friday, August 27, 1999 7:56 PM Subject: Re: FTE Perf - oil filter comparo > I think they may put drugs in those Fram filters to get people hooked on > them. I was totaly addicted to Fram until I saw a display in a parts > store. They had a Fram, a Wix, and another brand that I can't remember > all cut open. It was obvious that the Fram was downright cheap and > shoddy. I have been Fram free since that day. Don't take my word for > it, however, buy a Fram PH8A and a Wix 51515 and cut them open at home. > See for yourself. It will only be about a 10 buck deal and the engine > you save may be your very own. > Buck Shoff > ex Framaholic > > Ryan Reinke wrote: > > > > Who opened up the different filters? What was inside > > the fram that was so amazing? > > > > I have used fram since I was 15 and never had any > > problems... (plus they are made locally in Nebraska > > if memory serves) > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 02:12:57 -0400 From: "J Cope" Subject: RE: FTE Perf - oil filter comparo Why would anyone on this list use anything but Ford/Motorcraft anyway? :) JC '88 BII XLT 235/70R15s 10k tow hooks 40ch CB Removed airbox K&N Light bar - -----Original Message----- From: owner-perf-list ford-trucks.com [mailto:owner-perf-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of James Krehmke Sent: Friday, August 27, 1999 8:06 AM To: perf-list ford-trucks.com Subject: Re: FTE Perf - oil filter comparo I dif the Fram/Wix comparo on AIR filters. There you can SEE the quality difference. The Nebraska Co. That makes most filters is J.A. Baldwin. They make them to any quality level the customer desires. Old J.A. drove a Ferrari 365GT, and wife an Aston-Martin DB5, amother rides. Made quite a splash in Kearney, NE. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Buck Shoff To: Sent: Friday, August 27, 1999 7:56 PM.... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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