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perf-list-digest Saturday, August 28 1999 Volume 02 : Number 218



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In this issue:

FTE Perf - Od and Gas milage
FTE Perf - Sway bars
Re: FTE Perf - Sway bars
FTE Perf - Re:
FTE Perf - ADMIN: Official FTE press release
RE: RE: FTE Perf - OD and Gas Mileage
RE: FTE Perf - Sway bars
FTE Perf - ADMIN: 2001 Supercrew specifications
Re: FTE Perf -Need copy of service bulletins
RE: FTE Perf - Sway bars
RE: FTE Perf - Sway bars
Re: FTE Perf - oil filter comparo
RE: FTE Perf - oil filter comparo
FTE Perf - increase in mpg
Re: FTE Perf - oil filter comparo
FTE Perf - Re: Ode to OD
Re: FTE Perf - oil filter comparo
Re: [RE: FTE Perf - oil filter comparo] and an observation.
Re: FTE Perf - ADMIN: Official FTE press release
Re: [Re: FTE Perf - oil filter comparo]
Re: FTE Perf - oil filter comparo
Re: FTE Perf - oil filter comparo
Re: FTE Perf - oil filter comparo
RE: FTE Perf - oil filter comparo

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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:58:41 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE Perf - Od and Gas milage

J C writes: >> If I'm in driving down the highway in Overdrive with the torque
converter locked, does that mean that my drive shaft is spinning faster
than my engine (hence Overdrive)?

Yep!! You got it. Dead on.

>> If that is the case, wouldn't going
faster (but still keeping the torque converter locked) increase my gas
mileage?

This is where most get confused. OD is normally .7, so if your drive shaft is
only turning 7 tenths of a revolution in OD as compared to 1 in convetional hi,
then theoretically you should get 30% better mileage.. It don't exactly work
that way because the load increases at the same throttle position and you loose
some effeciency due to load and added friction of the extra gears and such. If
your load increases such that you are in a dead pull, then you could actually
decrease your gas mileage. The faster you go (increased wind load) the less you
can expect to gain. The capability of the engine must be taken into
consideration when gearing for optimum gas mileage. The current day Detroit
powered Iron gets maximum efficiency in the 1800-2200 rpm range, hence you will
see most of them tacking in this range at 55/75 MPH which covers most State
highways speed limits as well as the Interstates.


Hope I did not confuse you too much. I'm sure there are some on this list that
can better explain it.

Azie
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:09:22 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE Perf - Sway bars

Derek writes: >> Has anyone put F&R (anti)swaybars on their truck? Are
they worth it? Do they compromise i-beam travel, load capacity, or
anything else? JC Bolt-On has Hellwig bars for our trucks at a
reasonable price.

I love sway bars. I've got them on all kinds of vehicles. They do stiffen the
chassis quite a bit, but for my purposes, the swap off is well worth it. They
will limit I beam travel somewhat, but unless you go rock crawling or something
similar, I don't think it will effect your trucks abilities. They probably
increase load carrying capacity somewhat, but not worth mentioning. The
leveling of load and conering will greatly improve.

Azie
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:41:33 EDT
From: "Gerald Ash"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Sway bars

Can you tell me if they can be put on a Ford F150, 1978, twin I beam?
Thanks,
GA


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Derek writes: >> Has anyone put F&R (anti)swaybars on their truck? Are
they worth it? Do they compromise i-beam travel, load capacity, or
anything else? JC Bolt-On has Hellwig bars for our trucks at a
reasonable price.

I love sway bars. I've got them on all kinds of vehicles. They do stiffen
the
chassis quite a bit, but for my purposes, the swap off is well worth it.
They
will limit I beam travel somewhat, but unless you go rock crawling or
something
similar, I don't think it will effect your trucks abilities. They probably
increase load carrying capacity somewhat, but not worth mentioning. The
leveling of load and conering will greatly improve.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:36:06 -0400
From: "william.hickey"
Subject: FTE Perf - Re:

I don't know about the full size trucks but I put a rear Hellwig sway bar on my
old 1993 Ranger after I installed a 3 inch
lift kit. It made a BIG difference in the way it handled ......... very little
body roll ....... never got around to installing a set on the front though.
Bill




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Hi all:

My daily driver is a 92 F150 XLT 4x2 supercab with the 300/6 engine
and the mazda 5-speed.

I get about 15 mpg, and I'm reasonably pleased with performance.
However, I have a couple of questions:

1) The truck handles/corners like, well, like a truck. We do a lot of
mountain driving, etc, and experience a lot of body roll in the
transitions. Has anyone put F&R (anti)swaybars on their truck? Are
they worth it? Do they compromise i-beam travel, load capacity, or
anything else? JC Bolt-On has Hellwig bars for our trucks at a
reasonable price...

2) Are there any good perf mods (bolt-on or similar) for this rig? Can
I get a chip, for instance? A KN filter for my airbox, maybe? Any
other ideas? Would a hot manifold and/or a header help the factory
setup? Reccomendations?

Thanks much....

Derek Whiteside
derekw *spamremove*rocketmail.com
Corvallis, OR
92 F150 XLT Supercab
70 AMC Javelin SST
65 AMC Rambler Classic 770



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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:52:22 -0400
From: kpayne ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE Perf - ADMIN: Official FTE press release

FTE has expressed its opinion on the recent legal action of
Ford Motor Company against BlueOvalNews.com on its web site.
The release can be found at:

http://www.ford-trucks.com/response.html

We've also sent this release to major news agencies.

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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:05:01 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: RE: RE: FTE Perf - OD and Gas Mileage

JC Whitless used to sell an aftermarket trip computer. Some had cruise
control built in. I don't know if they are still available.

Tom H

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> Don't know. i always wanted one in my tow vehicle, but have never seen
> one. I imagine, it might be possible to fab a ford unit to it, but that
> is
> definately beyond my ability, or at least beyond what i want to try. i'd
> rather put my effort into finding that last couple horses or traction to
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> aftermarket tachs, oil pressure gauges, etc., but it would seem that
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:09:53 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Sway bars

Ford did put sway bars on the front I beams of F-250s and higher. I don't
think there is that much if any difference in dimensions and am planning a
swap myself. For a stock setup you will need to get the bracket that
attaches the bar to the I beam. It mounts under the spring.

Tom H.

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> Can you tell me if they can be put on a Ford F150, 1978, twin I beam?
> Thanks,
> GA
>
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> Derek writes: >> Has anyone put F&R (anti)swaybars on their truck? Are
> they worth it? Do they compromise i-beam travel, load capacity, or
> anything else? JC Bolt-On has Hellwig bars for our trucks at a
> reasonable price.
>
> I love sway bars. I've got them on all kinds of vehicles. They do stiffen
>
> the
> chassis quite a bit, but for my purposes, the swap off is well worth it.
> They
> will limit I beam travel somewhat, but unless you go rock crawling or
> something
> similar, I don't think it will effect your trucks abilities. They
> probably
> increase load carrying capacity somewhat, but not worth mentioning. The
> leveling of load and conering will greatly improve.
>
> Azie
> Ardmore, Al.
>
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:59:41 -0400
From: kpayne ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE Perf - ADMIN: 2001 Supercrew specifications

Preliminary specifications for the 2001 F150 Supercrew have
been added to the news section of the web site.

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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:13:19 -0700
From: Dave Santo
Subject: Re: FTE Perf -Need copy of service bulletins

Dale,

Try

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.alldata.com/

or

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.autosafety.org


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"Ratcliff, Dale" wrote:
>
> Does anyone have a copy of the following bulletins?

[snip]

>
> Dale Ratcliff
> Email : dratc Telxon.com

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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 14:51:23 EDT
From: "Gerald Ash"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Sway bars

Thanks I will look into that as I also experence washout in curves. It is
safe but makes the passengers grab and hold on tight as they are use to the
flat cornering autos/trucks.
Good luck with your project,
Gerald Ash


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Ford did put sway bars on the front I beams of F-250s and higher. I don't
think there is that much if any difference in dimensions and am planning a
swap myself. For a stock setup you will need to get the bracket that
attaches the bar to the I beam. It mounts under the spring.

Tom H.

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> Can you tell me if they can be put on a Ford F150, 1978, twin I beam?
> Thanks,
> GA
>
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> Derek writes: >> Has anyone put F&R (anti)swaybars on their truck? Are
> they worth it? Do they compromise i-beam travel, load capacity, or
> anything else? JC Bolt-On has Hellwig bars for our trucks at a
> reasonable price.
>
> I love sway bars. I've got them on all kinds of vehicles. They do
stiffen
>
> the
> chassis quite a bit, but for my purposes, the swap off is well worth it.
> They
> will limit I beam travel somewhat, but unless you go rock crawling or
> something
> similar, I don't think it will effect your trucks abilities. They
> probably
> increase load carrying capacity somewhat, but not worth mentioning. The
> leveling of load and conering will greatly improve.
>
> Azie
> Ardmore, Al.
>
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 14:01:52 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Sway bars

> Thanks I will look into that as I also experence washout in
> curves. It is
> safe but makes the passengers grab and hold on tight as they are
> use to the
> flat cornering autos/trucks.
> Good luck with your project,


Any chance you could be a touch more specific about what you mean by
"washout ?" This is one I haven't heard yet and would like to know what you
mean by it ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:28:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ryan Reinke
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - oil filter comparo

Who opened up the different filters? What was inside
the fram that was so amazing?

I have used fram since I was 15 and never had any
problems... (plus they are made locally in Nebraska
if memory serves)


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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 15:37:08 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - oil filter comparo

> Who opened up the different filters? What was inside
> the fram that was so amazing?
>
> I have used fram since I was 15 and never had any
> problems... (plus they are made locally in Nebraska
> if memory serves)
>
Check out the minimopar site, you can find a link to it from my /links.html
page at my site...


Just my $.02
wish

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73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:40:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ryan Reinke
Subject: FTE Perf - increase in mpg

Talk about weird!

I had been getting about 13 to 17 mpg with my '97 150
short box, oversized tires, manual 5 sp, 4.6 v8. I
don't know what happened but I have just finished my
3rd tank that got 18 to 20! The first was Texaco, but
the others were local stations... The only thing I
have done in the last 4,000 miles is change the oil
(it is due, but which filter :) and add the lund
screen front to my grill to keep the bugs out!

I used 30 weight low ash oil and a fram....


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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 14:53:14 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - oil filter comparo

Unfortunately the actual filter camparison page has been taken down due to
some legal action threatened by one filter retailer. If memory serves the
issue with the Fram filters was the quality of the filter media as well as
the quality of construction.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

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From: William S. Hart
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, August 27, 1999 1:41 PM
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - oil filter comparo


> > Who opened up the different filters? What was inside
> > the fram that was so amazing?
> >
> > I have used fram since I was 15 and never had any
> > problems... (plus they are made locally in Nebraska
> > if memory serves)
> >
>Check out the minimopar site, you can find a link to it from my /links.html
>page at my site...



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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 17:35:34 -0500
From: Phil DeSanto
Subject: FTE Perf - Re: Ode to OD

JC-
No, the purpose for overdrive isn't to make the driveshaft go "faster"
then the engine, but to let the engine run even "slower" at a given road
speed. (the driveshaft DOES run faster then the engine in first and
second )For instance: with a straight 1:1, 3rd gear ratio of a normal
auto, the engine rpm at 60 might be 2000. But with the OD ratio of say
.87:1, it would only be 1740. That should equate to better economy at
cruising speeds. Hope this helps, Phil


>perf-list-digest Friday, August 27 1999
>Number 217

>Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999
>From: 88biixlt fncool.com
>Subject: FTE Perf - OD and Gas Mileage
>
>If I'm in driving down the highway in Overdrive with the torque
>converter locked, does that mean that my drive shaft is spinning
>faster than my engine (hence Overdrive)?
>JC




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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:31:52 -0400
From: "Thomas J. Teixeira"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - oil filter comparo

At 02:53 PM 8/27/1999 -0700, Bill Beyer wrote:
>Unfortunately the actual filter camparison page has been taken down due to
>some legal action threatened by one filter retailer. If memory serves the
>issue with the Fram filters was the quality of the filter media as well as
>the quality of construction.

The page at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://minimopar.simplenet.com/oilfilterstudy.html is back. The
author's opinions and recommendations have been removed but some basic
comparison data is still there. This includes pictures of disassembled oil
filters and data on the total area of filter media.

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Date: 27 Aug 99 20:19:30 EDT
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: [RE: FTE Perf - oil filter comparo] and an observation.

> > Who opened up the different filters? What was inside
> > the fram that was so amazing?
> >
> > I have used fram since I was 15 and never had any
> > problems... (plus they are made locally in Nebraska
> > if memory serves)
> >

I have no idea WHY, but in 15 years of turning wrenches for a living I've=

found that 'Fram' is the most likely filter to be darn near impossible to=

remove during an oil change. The worst I ever saw was when it was down t=
o the
base plate (all the rest having been ripped off by various devices), hamm=
er
and screwdriver wouldn't even budge that hummer.. In desperation the torc=
h was
dragged over to melt the rubber gasket!! (It worked.. but I dont condone=
it
as hot rubber will be splattering everywhere when you hit it.) All this =
for a
$20 oil change.. Didn't make any money on that one!

Tim

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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 17:26:20 -0700
From: George Miller
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - ADMIN: Official FTE press release

I agree with your statement.

George Miller

kpayne ford-trucks.com wrote:
>
> FTE has expressed its opinion on the recent legal action of
> Ford Motor Company against BlueOvalNews.com on its web site.
> The release can be found at:
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com/response.html
>
> We've also sent this release to major news agencies.
>
> Ken Payne
> Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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Date: 27 Aug 99 20:48:09 EDT
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: [Re: FTE Perf - oil filter comparo]

"Thomas J. Teixeira" wrote:
> At 02:53 PM 8/27/1999 -0700, Bill Beyer wrote:
> >Unfortunately the actual filter camparison page has been taken down du=
e to
> >some legal action threatened by one filter retailer. =


Which one? I'll certainly never buy their product again.

> author's opinions and recommendations have been removed but some basic
> comparison data is still there.

So much for free speech... It would have been interesting if "Consumer
Reports" had said something similar to see what the action would have bee=
n.

Tim

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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 18:12:21 -0700
From: George Miller
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - oil filter comparo

It was an interesting and informative site, especially the info about
check valves and media construction. Some of the marketing people
responsible for retail distribution with Fram and others must have gone
insane from the truth when they viewed it. The majority of the motoring
public base purchase determinations on product advertising and price.
That's why I like the FTE sites - facts and hands-on experience related
by interested individuals is info you won't normally find in mass retail
product advertising or at most automotive chain store retailers.

George Miller

Bill Beyer wrote:
>
> Unfortunately the actual filter camparison page has been taken down due to
> some legal action threatened by one filter retailer. If memory serves the
> issue with the Fram filters was the quality of the filter media as well as
> the quality of construction.
>
> "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William S. Hart
> To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Friday, August 27, 1999 1:41 PM
> Subject: RE: FTE Perf - oil filter comparo
>
> > > Who opened up the different filters? What was inside
> > > the fram that was so amazing?
> > >
> > > I have used fram since I was 15 and never had any
> > > problems... (plus they are made locally in Nebraska
> > > if memory serves)
> > >
> >Check out the minimopar site, you can find a link to it from my /links.html
> >page at my site...
>
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:56:53 -0500
From: Buck Shoff
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - oil filter comparo

I think they may put drugs in those Fram filters to get people hooked on
them. I was totaly addicted to Fram until I saw a display in a parts
store. They had a Fram, a Wix, and another brand that I can't remember
all cut open. It was obvious that the Fram was downright cheap and
shoddy. I have been Fram free since that day. Don't take my word for
it, however, buy a Fram PH8A and a Wix 51515 and cut them open at home.
See for yourself. It will only be about a 10 buck deal and the engine
you save may be your very own.
Buck Shoff
ex Framaholic

Ryan Reinke wrote:
>
> Who opened up the different filters? What was inside
> the fram that was so amazing?
>
> I have used fram since I was 15 and never had any
> problems... (plus they are made locally in Nebraska
> if memory serves)
>
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 05:05:35 -0700
From: "James Krehmke"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - oil filter comparo

I dif the Fram/Wix comparo on AIR filters. There you can SEE the quality
difference.

The Nebraska Co. That makes most filters is J.A. Baldwin. They make them to
any quality level the customer desires.

Old J.A. drove a Ferrari 365GT, and wife an Aston-Martin DB5, amother rides.
Made quite a splash in Kearney, NE.

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From: Buck Shoff
To:
Sent: Friday, August 27, 1999 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - oil filter comparo


> I think they may put drugs in those Fram filters to get people hooked on
> them. I was totaly addicted to Fram until I saw a display in a parts
> store. They had a Fram, a Wix, and another brand that I can't remember
> all cut open. It was obvious that the Fram was downright cheap and
> shoddy. I have been Fram free since that day. Don't take my word for
> it, however, buy a Fram PH8A and a Wix 51515 and cut them open at home.
> See for yourself. It will only be about a 10 buck deal and the engine
> you save may be your very own.
> Buck Shoff
> ex Framaholic
>
> Ryan Reinke wrote:
> >
> > Who opened up the different filters? What was inside
> > the fram that was so amazing?
> >
> > I have used fram since I was 15 and never had any
> > problems... (plus they are made locally in Nebraska
> > if memory serves)
> >
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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 02:12:57 -0400
From: "J Cope"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - oil filter comparo

Why would anyone on this list use anything but Ford/Motorcraft anyway? :)

JC
'88 BII XLT
235/70R15s
10k tow hooks
40ch CB
Removed airbox
K&N
Light bar

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[mailto:owner-perf-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of James Krehmke
Sent: Friday, August 27, 1999 8:06 AM
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - oil filter comparo


I dif the Fram/Wix comparo on AIR filters. There you can SEE the quality
difference.

The Nebraska Co. That makes most filters is J.A. Baldwin. They make them to
any quality level the customer desires.

Old J.A. drove a Ferrari 365GT, and wife an Aston-Martin DB5, amother rides.
Made quite a splash in Kearney, NE.

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From: Buck Shoff
To:
Sent: Friday, August 27, 1999 7:56 PM....


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