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perf-list-digest Friday, August 27 1999 Volume 02 : Number 217



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In this issue:

FTE Perf - OD and Gas Mileage
FTE Perf - Fuel System Cleaner
RE: FTE Perf - OD and Gas Mileage
RE: FTE Perf -Need copy of service bulletins
Re: RE: FTE Perf - OD and Gas Mileage
RE: FTE Perf - OD and Gas Mileage
Re: FTE Perf -Need copy of service bulletins
RE: RE: FTE Perf - OD and Gas Mileage
Re: RE: FTE Perf - OD and Gas Mileage
RE: RE: FTE Perf - OD and Gas Mileage
RE: FTE Perf -Need copy of service bulletins
[none]
RE: FTE Perf - AOD & E4OD
Re: FTE Perf -Need copy of service bulletins
FTE Perf - Oops..
Re: [RE: FTE Perf -Need copy of service bulletins]
Re: [FTE Perf - Fuel System Cleaner]

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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:38:29 GMT
From: 88biixlt fncool.com
Subject: FTE Perf - OD and Gas Mileage

If I'm in driving down the highway in Overdrive with the torque
converter locked, does that mean that my drive shaft is spinning faster
than my engine (hence Overdrive)? If that is the case, wouldn't going
faster (but still keeping the torque converter locked) increase my gas
mileage?

JC
'88 BII XLT
235/70R15s
40ch CB
(2)10k tow hooks
Removed Airbox
K&N
Light bar
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 14:45:08 GMT
From: 88biixlt fncool.com
Subject: FTE Perf - Fuel System Cleaner

Why is it recommended not to use more than one treatment of fuel system
cleaner every 10k miles (or whatever it is). What negative effects
does it have if you use it too often?

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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:18:00 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - OD and Gas Mileage

> If I'm in driving down the highway in Overdrive with the torque
> converter locked, does that mean that my drive shaft is spinning faster
> than my engine (hence Overdrive)? If that is the case, wouldn't going
> faster (but still keeping the torque converter locked) increase my gas
> mileage?
>
depends on the motor efficiency and how its running, along with hills and
turns and stoplights and all that stuff ... my car for instance gets better
mileage at 85mph than it does at 65 or 55 ... but that's on the highway, in
town, staying out of overdrive and keepign the revs around 1500-2000 works
best ... of course that's harder to do in an auto than in the 5spd ....

You'll just have to experiment and see what works and what doesn't with your
truck ... anything from gear ratio to wether you drive up hill or downhill
more can affect it ...

Just my $.02
wish

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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 11:51:40 -0400
From: "Ratcliff, Dale"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf -Need copy of service bulletins

Does anyone have a copy of the following bulletins?
TSB 93s68 - Installing check valves in fuel lines to prevent gas from
filling alternate tank
I have fuel leaking from the rear tank into the front tank. I was told the
check valves will prevent this.

SB 92-18-10 - Pull to left when braking
This truck has always had a slight pull to the left and it is worse when
braking.

I have a 92 F150SC with 351 and auto Trans.

Thanks for your help in advance. I really enjoy this list. I have learned a
lot from you guys.

Dale Ratcliff
Email : dratc Telxon.com




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From: William S. Hart [mailto:wish iastate.edu]
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 1999 10:18 AM
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Subject: RE: FTE Perf - OD and Gas Mileage


> If I'm in driving down the highway in Overdrive with the torque
> converter locked, does that mean that my drive shaft is spinning faster
> than my engine (hence Overdrive)? If that is the case, wouldn't going
> faster (but still keeping the torque converter locked) increase my gas
> mileage?
>
depends on the motor efficiency and how its running, along with hills and
turns and stoplights and all that stuff ... my car for instance gets better
mileage at 85mph than it does at 65 or 55 ... but that's on the highway, in
town, staying out of overdrive and keepign the revs around 1500-2000 works
best ... of course that's harder to do in an auto than in the 5spd ....

You'll just have to experiment and see what works and what doesn't with your
truck ... anything from gear ratio to wether you drive up hill or downhill
more can affect it ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:53:19 GMT
From: 88biixlt fncool.com
Subject: Re: RE: FTE Perf - OD and Gas Mileage

>

As I understood it, when you're in Overdrive, the driveshaft is
spinning faster than the engine. Wouldn't that get you the best gas
mileage?
Also, to keep things focused, let's assume I'm on a flat highway in
clear conditions.

JC
'88 BII XLT
235/70R15s
40ch CB
(2)10k tow hooks
Removed Airbox
K&N
Light bar
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 11:45:23 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - OD and Gas Mileage

yes
and no

first, the driveshaft is spinning faster than the engine. but as far as
mileage....

if friction didn't exist, it would. as speed increases, so does the power
required to maintain that speed (not to mention accelerate). so there
comes a point, when your foot is in it too much to maintain the speed, and
mileage drops. air resistance, tire hysterysis, and all drivetrain parts,
add friction. so, at 65, you may be barely into it, but at 90, you are
applying far more energy to maintain forward motion on a per mile basis
than at 65. although it takes less time to cover the distance, more energy
was needed to travel it.

my experience shows that every vehicle has a different sweet spot that it
gets its best mileage at. for my vehicles it has ranged from 65-70 for my
other brand truck, to faster for my 460/c6/3.50/33 ford truck. (well, if
you can consider single digits "getting mileage") i have a bike that likes
close to 100. alot depends on gearing, and the engine itself.

just as a fyi:
i had a ford probe gt turbo. it had one of those trip computers on the
dash that gives instant and overall mileage, eta, etc. the tranny went out
on it one day. i drove it home in third gear, at high rpms, at normal road
speeds. i got over 30 mpg out of it then, where as when using fifth gear
OD it was always in the high 20's. (dropping alot if i ran it hard)

third gear is far from overdrive, but it got better mileage. yes, the
turbo was not on boost, but it goes to show how sometimes things are not
waht they appear to be at first.

kevin



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Sent: Thursday, August 26, 1999 8:38 AM
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE Perf - OD and Gas Mileage

If I'm in driving down the highway in Overdrive with the torque
converter locked, does that mean that my drive shaft is spinning faster
than my engine (hence Overdrive)? If that is the case, wouldn't going
faster (but still keeping the torque converter locked) increase my gas
mileage?

JC
'88 BII XLT
235/70R15s
40ch CB
(2)10k tow hooks
Removed Airbox
K&N
Light bar
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:08:25 -0700
From: "Danger"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf -Need copy of service bulletins

> Does anyone have a copy of the following bulletins?
> TSB 93s68 - Installing check valves in fuel lines to prevent gas from
> filling alternate tank
> I have fuel leaking from the rear tank into the front tank. I was told the
> check valves will prevent this.
>
> SB 92-18-10 - Pull to left when braking
> This truck has always had a slight pull to the left and it is worse when
> braking.
>
> I have a 92 F150SC with 351 and auto Trans.
>
> Thanks for your help in advance. I really enjoy this list. I have learned
a
> lot from you guys.
>
> Dale Ratcliff
........

I used to own a 92 F250 HD 4x4 460 E40D, and I seem to remember
something about the check valve issue which prevented the fuel return line
from sending fuel to the wrong tank Perhaps your local Ford dealer could
provide more info.
The last brake pull problem I had was due to a faulty caliper which had
a piston (lower piston) that was sticking. I replaced the caliper (under
lifetime waranty) and now the brakes work great.


Danger


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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 11:24:24 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: RE: FTE Perf - OD and Gas Mileage

> >
>
> As I understood it, when you're in Overdrive, the driveshaft is
> spinning faster than the engine. Wouldn't that get you the best gas
> mileage?
> Also, to keep things focused, let's assume I'm on a flat highway in
> clear conditions.
>
Originally I thought you said in town, hence my issue comment of staying out
of overdrive ... but all things being flat and even, then yes, overdrive
would do you better as long as your motor had the power to actually pull the
truck and hold that speed ... when you get the gears lower and lower it
takes more power at a lower rev to hold the power you've got ...


Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:28:40 GMT
From: 88biixlt fncool.com
Subject: Re: RE: FTE Perf - OD and Gas Mileage


applying far more energy to maintain forward motion on a per mile basis

than at 65. although it takes less time to cover the distance, more
energy was needed to travel it.>>

Good call...


overall mileage, eta, etc.>>

Is there any way I can get one for my '88 BII? I know you can get
aftermarket tachs, oil pressure gauges, etc., but it would seem that
this would be slightly more complicated...

JC
'88 BII XLT
235/70R15s
40ch CB
(2)10k tow hooks
Removed Airbox
K&N
Light bar
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:06:53 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: RE: FTE Perf - OD and Gas Mileage

Don't know. i always wanted one in my tow vehicle, but have never seen
one. I imagine, it might be possible to fab a ford unit to it, but that is
definately beyond my ability, or at least beyond what i want to try. i'd
rather put my effort into finding that last couple horses or traction to
win on the track.

kevin

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Subject: Re: RE: FTE Perf - OD and Gas Mileage

Is there any way I can get one for my '88 BII? I know you can get
aftermarket tachs, oil pressure gauges, etc., but it would seem that
this would be slightly more complicated...



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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 14:14:02 -0400
From: "Ratcliff, Dale"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf -Need copy of service bulletins

- -----Original Message-----
From: Danger [mailto:danger csolutions.net]
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 1999 12:08 PM
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE Perf -Need copy of service bulletins


> Does anyone have a copy of the following bulletins?
> TSB 93s68 - Installing check valves in fuel lines to prevent gas from
> filling alternate tank
> I have fuel leaking from the rear tank into the front tank. I was told the
> check valves will prevent this.
>
> SB 92-18-10 - Pull to left when braking
> This truck has always had a slight pull to the left and it is worse when
> braking.
>
> I have a 92 F150SC with 351 and auto Trans.
>
> Thanks for your help in advance. I really enjoy this list. I have learned
a
> lot from you guys.
>
> Dale Ratcliff
........

I used to own a 92 F250 HD 4x4 460 E40D, and I seem to remember
something about the check valve issue which prevented the fuel return line
from sending fuel to the wrong tank Perhaps your local Ford dealer could
provide more info.
The last brake pull problem I had was due to a faulty caliper which had
a piston (lower piston) that was sticking. I replaced the caliper (under
lifetime waranty) and now the brakes work great.


Danger

I replaced both calipers, turned the rotors, replaced the pads and packed
the bearings with no change in handling.

Dale

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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:54:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Derek Whiteside
Subject: [none]

Hi all:

My daily driver is a 92 F150 XLT 4x2 supercab with the 300/6 engine
and the mazda 5-speed.

I get about 15 mpg, and I'm reasonably pleased with performance.
However, I have a couple of questions:

1) The truck handles/corners like, well, like a truck. We do a lot of
mountain driving, etc, and experience a lot of body roll in the
transitions. Has anyone put F&R (anti)swaybars on their truck? Are
they worth it? Do they compromise i-beam travel, load capacity, or
anything else? JC Bolt-On has Hellwig bars for our trucks at a
reasonable price...

2) Are there any good perf mods (bolt-on or similar) for this rig? Can
I get a chip, for instance? A KN filter for my airbox, maybe? Any
other ideas? Would a hot manifold and/or a header help the factory
setup? Reccomendations?

Thanks much....

Derek Whiteside
derekw *spamremove*rocketmail.com
Corvallis, OR
92 F150 XLT Supercab
70 AMC Javelin SST
65 AMC Rambler Classic 770



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DO YOU YAHOO!?

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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:00:37 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - AOD & E4OD

>I'm pretty sure AOD-E came out in 1990, since many of the part #'s are
E0**->***
>E4OD's should have come out in 1994 (according to part #'s)

>"Beater" Bob

Hey Bob, try that math again, E=80's not 90's ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:59:08 -0700
From: "Danger"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf -Need copy of service bulletins

> I replaced both calipers, turned the rotors, replaced the pads and packed
> the bearings with no change in handling.
>
> Dale
..........

The caliper I replaced was still under warranty because I had just
purchased it a few months earlier. I was able to detect the piston which was
stuck by trying to push it into the caliper using a large putty knife. One
piston pushed in nicely, but the other was obviously stuck.
If the brake line was pinched, wouldn't that cause brake pull? Can you
bleed fluid from both calipers?

Danger


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Date: 26 Aug 99 20:49:30 EDT
From: Tim Turner
Subject: FTE Perf - Oops..

I'm back.. new address and such; sorry if anyone got bounced mail over =
the =

last week or two. First my ISP decided I didn't exist and wants $$ to =

restore =

me and then lightning wiped out all my computer and radio equipment so =
it's


been an interesting time. =


Happily the B-II is still alive and kicking! ;-) =


Tim Turner/Manic Mechanic =

Custer Auto Repair =

Wilmington NC =


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Date: 26 Aug 99 20:56:17 EDT
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: [RE: FTE Perf -Need copy of service bulletins]

"Ratcliff, Dale" wrote:
> =

> =

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Danger [mailto:danger csolutions.net]

> > Does anyone have a copy of the following bulletins?
> > TSB 93s68 - Installing check valves in fuel lines to prevent gas from=


> > SB 92-18-10 - Pull to left when braking

If the dealer isn't of any help see if there's a shop in your area that h=
as
'AllData' or 'Mitchell on demand' that will print it out for you. If tha=
t
fails you can e-mail me and I'll give you my phone number and research it=
at
work then either fax it to you or summarize it. (Your choice)

Tim

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Date: 26 Aug 99 21:43:01 EDT
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: [FTE Perf - Fuel System Cleaner]

88biixlt fncool.com wrote:
> Why is it recommended not to use more than one treatment of fuel system=

> cleaner every 10k miles (or whatever it is).

Beats the heck outta me.. I deal with one of the best cleaners made and =
they
have one for use every 3K. (Ideal for doing at the oil change.) Knowing=
the
variety of products out there and the differing chemicals used in them I =
might
see the wisdom though.

In reality gasoline has been through many changes over the last few years=
and
actually now does a decent job of keeping the 'wet' side of the injectors=

clean, but at the cost of inducing more carbon deposits elsewhere with hi=
gher
octane fuels being even worse. (Catch-22.. carbon starts a 'ping', use h=
igher
octane, carbon worsens and ping returns, etc..).

What negative effects
> does it have if you use it too often? =


That depends on the cleaner used.. if it's harmful to the injector coils =
then
it'll eventually eat the insulation away and result in shorted injectors,=
if
it's harmful to Teflon then it can eat the coating used on certain inject=
ors
(notably GM 'Multec'), etc. Given the cost of injectors ($40-100+ Per) a=
nd
the labor involved to replace them you dont want to have to buy a set!

On the subject of 'cleaners'.. It's become the #1 seller among automotiv=
e =

'chemicals', but most are ineffectual at best. Just for kicks look at th=
e
labels and see how many list a 'CAS' (complex aromatic solvent) as an....


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