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perf-list-digest Wednesday, August 25 1999 Volume 02 : Number 215



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In this issue:

FTE Perf - oil pan gasket
RE: FTE Perf - differential gearing, forgot to add
RE: FTE Perf - differential gearing, forgot to add
RE: FTE Perf - differential gearing
RE: FTE Perf - Holley problen
RE: FTE Perf - looking for suggestions on my proposed improvements
RE: FTE Perf - differential gearing, forgot to add
Re: FTE Perf - differential gearing, forgot to add
RE: FTE Perf - differential gearing
Re: FTE Perf - AOD & E4OD
FTE Perf - differential gearing
FTE Perf - 71 302 with 66 289 Heads
Re: FTE Perf - 71 302 with 66 289 Heads
Re: FTE Perf - oil change
RE: FTE Perf - differential gearing
FTE Perf - FTE Perf Weird things happenned after changing oil
RE: FTE Perf - differential gearing

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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:34:47 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE Perf - oil pan gasket

Roger writes: >> I don't think I did it any good by
supporting the motor with a piece of wood and a jack under the oil pan while
I removed the tranny.
Now for the big question. I have seen on this list guy's (and gal's)
talking about a one piece gasket.

Never seen a one piece gasket for the 302 or 351(or for that matter any engine
built with the crankshaft half out of the block). I don't think you hurt your
pan gasket by supporting the engine with blocks under the pan. I've done this
many many times and not hurt anything.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 07:24:41 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - differential gearing, forgot to add

With all this talk of abusing a Ranger (mid size not a 73-79 full size) I
would like to let everyone know about the "break-away shift lever" on these
trucks. It's a "feature" on these little trucks that has happened to me and
one of my friends. I was sitting in a parking spot and when I shifted to
reverse and the lever came off in my hand! Seems that housing that the
lever goes into is made of PLASTIC. The fix is a new shift lever. Thought
you would like to know before that 5Krpm shift. Might be enough to surprise
you off the track. ;0).

Tom H.


> In a message dated 8/23/99 10:16:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> v8pinto yahoo.com writes:
>
> >
>
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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:03:39 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - differential gearing, forgot to add

> It's a "feature" on these little trucks that has
> happened to me and
> one of my friends. I was sitting in a parking spot and when I shifted to
> reverse and the lever came off in my hand! Seems that housing that the
> lever goes into is made of PLASTIC. The fix is a new shift
> lever. Thought
> you would like to know before that 5Krpm shift. Might be enough
> to surprise
> you off the track. ;0).

hahahaha .. yeah my boss had that happen to him too, man did that sucker
rattle before he got it fixed too! I think the second one he got was a
slightly different material, so they may have fixed this.

I used to have an 8 ball on my gear shift, one I made myself, but I never
glued it on (interference fit :), one time drag racin I grabbed second and
my elbow banged the console, I looked down and saw the 8 ball sitting in my
hand and the insert still on the tranny ... I threw that into the pass seat
just in time to grab 3rd :) I think I won that one, but I don't remember
cause I was still ticked about the ball comin off :)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:09:56 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - differential gearing

> >Do you think it's possible for an auto-x racer to show
> >this clutch challenged dragger how to properly
> >double-clutch? I can not seem to figure that one out.
> >

Hahahaha ... you better ask a road racer on that one, right now I'm tryin to
save my 1-2 syncro and just leave it in 2 for the whole track. It works
okay for most tracks, though I think I'll hit 3rd a few times over labw tia few tit those tracks :)

As for the double-clutching, I can't think about it or I can't do it...if I
think, I miss ... just screwin around one day with my friends, downshifted
for a curve, shot through it, upshifted again...whamo it dawned on me after
I got through that I'd double clutched the downshift, and just barely
clutched the upshift....


> You guys need a clutch? My late great 57 F100's toploader
> (from a 68 Mustang) never needed the clutch on either the
> up or down shift. It ran mid to high 13's, depending on the
> weather, and I never used the left pedal at the track, just
> dump, lift, pull, lift, push, lift, pull, lift, coast......
>

Mid to high 13's ... obviously you've never run an autocross...the double
clutch is for the downshift so you don't bang the gear and destroy a motor
or anything ... helps with braking the car ... if I tried to downshift
without the clutch I'd be there for hours picking up all the little pieces
... accelerating that's fine, but my normal auto-x run is more like

launch (not much wheel spin), lift->clutch->shift->turn (all one
movement),gas, lift, brake (tap), turn->gas, lift, turn->gas, lift, brake,
hard turn->gas ...

well i'd need a few more lines to get the whole run in ...
Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:10:48 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Holley problen

> I have a 84 f-250 with a Holley-Motorcraft 4bbl.
> The accelerator pump sticks,the lever won't budge.
> Works fine off the truck and works fine for a while
> on the truck.
> Any ideas?

Have you checked your fuel filter ? Possible its plugging up and letting
gunk through your system that gums up the accel pump. the other possibility
is that the linkage is binding somewhere ... be sure it all works
smoothly...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:13:09 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - looking for suggestions on my proposed improvements

> What I'm looking at is split headers to replace the split manifold,
> performance cat and a single 3" exhaust. There's no way i'd ever try
> a dual 3" on that thing. but I've been hearing that since I've got a
> split manifold, I should just do the 3" exhaust and leave it at
> that. any
> thoughts?
>

If you start at the back with the 3" and work your way forward to at least
the cat you can add things until you are happy with the power out of it :)
And you'll know what the last piece that hurt things was and could back off
to the previous setting if you liked ...


Hope that makes sense, but the stocks with the 2->1 would be my approach...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:14:22 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - differential gearing, forgot to add

> >
>
> I remember he said he was shifting it at 4800. I would not
> hesitate to run
> that thing to 5500. My brother has the 2.3 in his 95 and the
> rev limiter
> doesnt kick in till 6k, but thats also where it seems to make
> most of its
> power. Heck I had a 1.6 in an escort that could hold 7500
> without a problem.
> (Got in a fight with the GF, drove home with it floored in 1st)
> So like I
> say, dont hesitate to wind that lil motor up. You'll be very surprised.


Funny how those OHC motors work isn't it ? Anyone tried that new 2.5 out
yet ? I know someone had one in a new motor, been to the drags with it yet
? Ford offers it as a stroker kit now too, my g.f. is very interested in
this for her little stang ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:52:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: shane san miguel
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - differential gearing, forgot to add

Those 2.3liters' can really scream. Racer Walsh gets
450hp out of them by accident...

tach it up
tach it up


BUDDY GONNA SHUT YOU DOWWWWWWNNNNNNNNN.....

Shane
55 F100 5.0
15.51 87
289 pinto waiting patiently

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> In a message dated 8/23/99 10:16:19 AM Pacific
> Daylight Time,
> v8pinto yahoo.com writes:
>
>
> 4th gear. >>
>
> I remember he said he was shifting it at 4800. I
> would not hesitate to run
> that thing to 5500. My brother has the 2.3 in his
> 95 and the rev limiter
> doesnt kick in till 6k, but thats also where it
> seems to make most of its
>

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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:23:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: shane san miguel
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - differential gearing

> You guys need a clutch? My late great 57 F100's
> toploader
> (from a 68 Mustang) never needed the clutch on
> either the
> up or down shift. It ran mid to high 13's,
> depending on the
> weather, and I never used the left pedal at the
> track, just
> dump, lift, pull, lift, push, lift, pull, lift,
> coast......

I broke a clutch cable in Tahoe and made it home, a 90
mile trip, with no clutch. I race my motorcycle like
that but could never do it in a car.

Shane

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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 14:51:16 -0500
From: "Robert F. Davis"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - AOD & E4OD

At 01:47 PM 08/23/1999 -0400, you wrote:

>Was the E4OD ever offered with the Small (351W) bolt pattern??

>

>When did the AOD change to Electronic shift???

>

>What is the strongest AOD years/vehicles???

>

>Here are the reasons for my questions: My wife has purchased a '76
F100 2wd

>styleside. It currently has a 4speed Granny geared transmission (NP435
or T18)

>and 302 with 3.25 open 9" rear. I purchased a 351W Saturday (core) for
rebuild

>and installation, but she also wants an automatic.


Azie,

I'm pretty sure AOD-E came out in 1990, since many of the part #'s are
E0**-***

E4OD's should have come out in 1994 (according to part #'s)

BUT, I have a 92 Bronco (full size or Senior (as FORD calls them)) with
an E4OD

behind a 302 W (which Will Bolt up to a 351) But flywheel
balancing is different.

I have seen several E4OD's behind Small Blocks in several
pick-ups.

I looked at one the other day, which was a 90 or 91 (the last of that
body style)

with an E4OD. E4OD's are hard to miss as the trans pan is almost as big
as the

engine pan. Don't know about what it takes in the way of electronics for
E4OD's.

If you choose an AOD, later is better, AND go ahead & put in a
TransGo shift kit.

It's worth the extra effort. I put a shift kit in my kid's 86 Mustang on
the 3rd rebuild,

AND BELIEVE ME IT WORKS.


"Beater" Bob



>While I'm on the lists - Where is the best information for the 400 cu in
W

>series, and which heads do I want to use. I'm looking for horsepower
and torque

>in the 1800-4800 rpm range.

>

>Azie

>Ardmore, Al.

>

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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 14:20:48 -0700
From: "Tom Ewing"
Subject: FTE Perf - differential gearing

OK. You guys convinced me. I moved the shift light on my 2.3L Ranger
up to around 5100. No matter how fast I react to the shift light and no
matter
how fast I shift, the motor is still above this number by a significant
amount. That's about where I had it before I started thinking meltdown.
I'd like to see the motor last as long as possible, and under drag
racing circumstances I'm sure it lessens the life considerably.
I'm new to Bracket Drag Racing and the old salts at the track never tire
of telling one how it isn't speed, but consistancy that wins at bracket
racing--hence the more conservative RPM's. But when you see that
same old salt Stage at the lights my question is...if its consistancy
why is he driving a trailered, 10sec, 55Chevy with a Big Block? I guess
the answer is no matter what people think they're doing, when it comes
to car racing we all want to go as fast as we can-even us 2.3L types.
Anyway I discovered I was mistaken about the Limited Slip Diff. I don't
have one. Where did I get the idea that I did have one? It must have been
a misunderstanding on my part with one of the local Ford dealers.
I went to a different Ford dealer in my area and gave them the differential
numbers and its not a limited slip. I asked about a lower ring and pinion
and
Ford has a number of choices. I'm at the 3:45.
I recall the 3.70? and the 4:10. The former costing about $186 and
the latter about $521. I think I'll continue to monitor the Pick-n-Pull
salvage
yards for a Limited Slip 73/4. I've looked but haven't seen one yet. My
Chilton book says there were 5 different gear ratios of Limited Slip
offered.
I don't see where it says so, but I'm now guessing these were probably just
available on the V-6 motors. I've yet to see a V-6 at the local salvage
yard.
Has anyone seen the nice 2.3LTurbo Ranger on page 32 of Sept 99 Hot
Rod Mag. Any of you Republic of Calif residents understand the
necessary guidelines and procedures for getting a newer(later model
motor)installed in your truck with the approval of the Smog Gods?
Thanks for all the good suggestions on the diff gearing, I plan to be back
at Sears Point Race Track tomorrow night once again battling those
Toyowhatevers.

Tom
Yountville,ca
92Ranger 2.3L
58F100, 429,C6

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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 14:39:46 -0700
From: "Vierra, William BGI SF"
Subject: FTE Perf - 71 302 with 66 289 Heads

Over the last several months I have placed a few posts about what to do
about the 302 in my 51 F-1. It seems the more I learn the worse it gets.
From all I've been able to determine this is not the greatest motor and head
combination to rebuild. While I have the early 66 289 heads without the
rail type rockers, from looking at several books and the PAW catalog it does
not seem that I will be able to put roller lifters in this head because the
correct push rods are not made. Also the intake and exhaust are not the
largest and while porting them will help I just believe I would be better of
with at a minimum different heads.

So now I am considering replacing this motor with a later model 302. While
a 351W would be preferable in doing my best measurements of where the
exhaust will be on the number 7 cylinder it will be just about resting on my
steering box.

So what year 302 is considered to be preferable over others. I have
considered an EFI engine and would do so if I can keep the wiring costs
down. My overall goal is have ample low end torque and better than stock
horse power since for the foreseeable future this truck is still going to
have a lot of work to do as a truck. Currently behind the 302 is a C4 and 9
inch with an unknown axle ratio (I haven't had time to figure that out yet
but will soon).

Thanks as always for your comments.
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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 18:09:44 -0400
From: "Gerald Ash"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - 71 302 with 66 289 Heads

Get you a 1988 or so Crown Vic as a donor car a wagon or police car would be
best as they have the 5.0 HO roller cam engines and an AOD transmission
which you can do wonders with.. I am doing the same thing now with a 1978
F150 and will let you know how it comes out. If you do most of the light
mechanic work then the wiring shouldn't be too much as you just get the old
wiring harness off the donor car. Check these two urls. out.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.baumannengineering.com
This will tell you about all Ford transmissions, years, ect. KNOWLEDGE BASE
http://www.ford-trucks.com/articles/5liter.html
This man did it and outlines all that has to be done. Remember if you have
the entire donor car you have the pumps, wiring, the full meal deal so to
speak.
Good luck and keep me posted as I have just got my engine/transmission out
and am upgrading the transmission at this time. Have started with the wires
and it's not that bad.
Gerald
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From: Vierra, William BGI SF
To:
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 5:39 PM
Subject: FTE Perf - 71 302 with 66 289 Heads


> Over the last several months I have placed a few posts about what to do
> about the 302 in my 51 F-1. It seems the more I learn the worse it gets.
> From all I've been able to determine this is not the greatest motor and
head
> combination to rebuild. While I have the early 66 289 heads without the
> rail type rockers, from looking at several books and the PAW catalog it
does
> not seem that I will be able to put roller lifters in this head because
the
> correct push rods are not made. Also the intake and exhaust are not the
> largest and while porting them will help I just believe I would be better
of
> with at a minimum different heads.
>
> So now I am considering replacing this motor with a later model 302.
While
> a 351W would be preferable in doing my best measurements of where the
> exhaust will be on the number 7 cylinder it will be just about resting on
my
> steering box.
>
> So what year 302 is considered to be preferable over others. I have
> considered an EFI engine and would do so if I can keep the wiring costs
> down. My overall goal is have ample low end torque and better than stock
> horse power since for the foreseeable future this truck is still going to
> have a lot of work to do as a truck. Currently behind the 302 is a C4 and
9
> inch with an unknown axle ratio (I haven't had time to figure that out yet
> but will soon).
>
> Thanks as always for your comments.
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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 17:37:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: canzus seanet.com
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - oil change

At 08:44 PM 23:8:99 -0500, you wrote:
>Check this site out, a few years ago I cut open a fram,napa, wix,
>motorcraft, and a purolater filter. When I opened the fram I got a little
>mad, they should be embarrassed, every since I have only used NAPA or Wix.
>Haven't wasted money on a fram since.
>Dave

I've had 2 fram filters rupture on me, I don't use them anymore, the
best filters are from a german company called Mann, they're
pressure tested to over 300psi. VW diesels use them, and they
run over 100psi oil at idle....

Steve & the Rockette
63 F100
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600, soon to be a 302
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
97 Contour, Mine

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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 17:37:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: canzus seanet.com
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - differential gearing

At 10:09 AM 24:8:99 -0500, you wrote:

>Mid to high 13's ... obviously you've never run an autocross...the double
>clutch is for the downshift so you don't bang the gear and destroy a motor
>or anything ... helps with braking the car ... if I tried to downshift
>without the clutch I'd be there for hours picking up all the little pieces
>... accelerating that's fine, but my normal auto-x run is more like
>
>launch (not much wheel spin), lift->clutch->shift->turn (all one
>movement),gas, lift, brake (tap), turn->gas, lift, turn->gas, lift, brake,
>hard turn->gas ...

What, no heel-toe blips on the loud pedal to keep the rpm
up when downshifting as you're braking into the corners??
When I run my/our toys hard, usually ignore the clutch pedal,
left foot brake, right foot keeps the rpm where it should be for
the downshift, a quick lift off the gas is enough to slow the rpm
down enough for upshifts.


Steve & the Rockette
63 F100
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600, soon to be a 302
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
97 Contour, Mine

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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 17:42:37 -0700
From: Robert Hiebert
Subject: FTE Perf - FTE Perf Weird things happenned after changing oil

Because things happenned immediately after restart, knocking, and oil pressure
changes, I'd be inclined to suspect the oil filter. Some filters have a check valve
in them, maybe this one does, and it is faulty. For the price of a filter, change it
out with a genuine Ford filter, and see what happens, but do it quick, or you may
damage your engine.

Good Luck,
Robert Hiebert

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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 22:09:11 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - differential gearing

> >launch (not much wheel spin), lift->clutch->shift->turn (all one....

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