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perf-list-digest Tuesday, July 13 1999 Volume 02 : Number 172



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In this issue:

Re: FTE Perf - cam
Re: FTE Perf - cam
FTE Perf - T-18
FTE Perf - T-18
Re: FTE Perf - cam
Re: FTE Perf - cam
Re: FTE Perf - cam
Re: FTE Perf - cam
Re: FTE Perf - T-18
Re: FTE Perf - T-18
Re: FTE Perf - T-18
FTE Perf - M pistons

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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:03:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: shane san miguel
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - cam

Hey David,

Thanks for the tip. I left my PAW catalog at home, it
has all the Crower cams in it. I had looked at them
and will do so again when I get home today. What
gears did you have in the Maverick? Was it a C4 or
stick? What was your freeway rpm? (if you can
remember).

I just think I can do a lot better than the performer
for less money. Why is everything with the Edelbrock
name on it expensive?????? Oh yeah, my motor is a
non-roller motor.

Shane
55 F100 5.0
15.51 87

- --- David Claflin wrote:
> Check into a crower cam, I had a 302 in a maverick
> with a crower cam that
> had a little bump at idle got over 22mpg on the
> highway and would still bark
> the tires when I hit second gear. I don't remember
> the part no. but it had
> 210/214 .050 and 474/488 lift
> it's a little stouter than the performer cam. I

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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:16:57 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - cam

>Thanks for the tip. I left my PAW catalog at home, it
>has all the Crower cams in it. I had looked at them
>and will do so again when I get home today. What
>gears did you have in the Maverick? Was it a C4 or
>stick? What was your freeway rpm? (if you can
>remember).
>
>I just think I can do a lot better than the performer
>for less money. Why is everything with the Edelbrock
>name on it expensive?????? Oh yeah, my motor is a
>non-roller motor.
>
answer for the expensive part: it works. When you get the Edelbrock piece
you can be pretty sure its going to do what it says it does, not like some
of the fly by night companies that show up.

As for the cam selection, be careful with getting a cam for a Maverick ...
those weigh quite a bit less than a truck, what works for that might not
work so hot for 2 tons of steel ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:58:23 -0500
From: "Joel Thomas"
Subject: FTE Perf - T-18

is the T-18 in my 84 f-150 4x4 a strong tranny??
also is the 9in rear a strong rear end??

thank you?

Joel Thomas mailto:treefort prodigy.net
1984 F-150, 351W, 9", T-18,
Edelbrock intake,Holley 750 vac,
33" BFG MT's.
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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 12:00:04 -0500
From: "Joel Thomas"
Subject: FTE Perf - T-18

is the T-18 tranny in my 84 F-150 a strong tranny??
also is the 9in rear a strong rear end??

thanks

Joel Thomas mailto:treefort prodigy.net
1984 F-150, 351W, 9", T-18,
Edelbrock intake,Holley 750 vac,
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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:03:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: shane san miguel
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - cam

That sure is true, the Edelbrock stuff works together
and with no surprises... I'm still not sold on their
water pump though.

Just out of curiosity, what's a Maverick weigh? My
truck comes in at a 'Rubenesque' 3,650 with 1/2 tank
of gas and no driver or McDonald's wrappers under the
seat.

I'd like the truck to run solid 14's so I need to cut
about a good .5 seconds off it. I've made a few mods
lately and I think I can get a 15.3 (no time slips yet
but soon...) out of her if the tranny holds (it's
slipping a little in second). I'm looking for about a
14.7 91 ride. Think the right cam will do that?

Shane
55 F100 5.0
15.51 87

Shane
55 F100 5.0
15.51 87

> performer
> >for less money. Why is everything with the
> Edelbrock
> >name on it expensive?????? Oh yeah, my motor is a
> >non-roller motor.
> >
> answer for the expensive part: it works. When you
> get the Edelbrock piece
> you can be pretty sure its going to do what it says
> it does, not like some
> of the fly by night companies that show up.

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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 13:32:52 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - cam

>That sure is true, the Edelbrock stuff works together
>and with no surprises... I'm still not sold on their
>water pump though.
>
Hahahaha ... I've heard plusses and minuses ... if it were me, I'd shop
around on the waterpump thing. I'm messin with FE's and 4.6's so I don't
get a whole lot of choices like you 5.0 guys (is it true that those are
growin on trees next to SBC's now ?) hehehehe ...:) Still gotta love a
good windsor though ....


>Just out of curiosity, what's a Maverick weigh? My
>truck comes in at a 'Rubenesque' 3,650 with 1/2 tank
>of gas and no driver or McDonald's wrappers under the
>seat.
>
Hmmm...I think the standard curb weight is probably right under 3000, so if
you were strippin it out, I don't think it would be unheard of to get lower
than 2800, or even down to the 26xx's I would bet, if you were serious
about losing weight that is, but for a basically stock car, not over 3g's ...

>I'd like the truck to run solid 14's so I need to cut
>about a good .5 seconds off it. I've made a few mods
>lately and I think I can get a 15.3 (no time slips yet
>but soon...) out of her if the tranny holds (it's
>slipping a little in second). I'm looking for about a
>14.7 91 ride. Think the right cam will do that?
>
Well I've seen where the Lightning's now (99's in stock trim) will turn a
14.2x with street tires and no changes (not even a K&N)... so its
definitely not out of reach for a lightly modded truck I wouldn't think ...
Are you runnin FI or just a carb ? Either way the proper tuning will help
you a lot ... that's assuming you've got practice and can cut consistent
times now. I know I've driven lots of fairly fast cars and beaten quite a
few that should've been a lot faster... the reason? practice, I rarely
missed a shift, and I usually hit exactly the right point. I'm havin
trouble figurin out my 4.6, but so far haven't done too badly.

is this truck race only sort of thing, or do you drive it regularly ? does
lope bother you ? (its hard to drive in the snow when the motor's not
smooth and steady, but that may not bother you ... :) all things you need
to take into consideration for a cam ... then when its in there, get it
tuned right, take your time and if something's not right, keep trying til
you find something that works well ...

Mind you I have NO drag racing experience (never even been to that sort of
track), but I have street raced (shhh!) a little and do autocross quite a
bit, an autocross will show you how well a person knows their car. Another
guy running a car identical to mine has had it since new, he kicked my butt
all around the course ... his girl friend on the other hand, I was showin
her the quick way around the track ... so its all in knowing the vehicle...
This may sound preachy, but on the mustang boreds that's all we hear "how
can I make my car faster?" and 9 times out of 10 its just the driver not
knowing how to drive it to its optimum...




Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 12:27:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: shane san miguel
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - cam

> growin on trees next to SBC's now ?) hehehehe ...:)
> Still gotta love a
> good windsor though ....

Yeah, I can't find one without worms in it though...
hehehehe

> Are you runnin FI or just a carb ? Either way the
> proper tuning will help

The motor was EFI but for the sake of getting the
motor in and driving it, I have a Holley 600/Edelbrock
performer setup. Still trying to nail down the
jetting on the carb...

> is this truck race only sort of thing, or do you
> drive it regularly ? does
> lope bother you ? (its hard to drive in the snow

The truck is my fun machine. It is a 1955 workhorse,
I haul household junk, help people move, hope to tow a
boat someday, race on an occasional Wednesday night
fun drags, I even ripped a fallen Weeping Willow tree
off the house with it. I love a lopey cam, my Pinto
shakes the fenders at idle. I don't want a stock idle
in the truck at all but not pro-street either. As
rough an idle as I can get and stay within the 5,500
rpm powerband. I DO NOT over-rev or force motors to
rev outside the range they were built for. The truck
never sees above 5,200.

> Mind you I have NO drag racing experience (never
> even been to that sort of
> track), but I have street raced (shhh!) a little and

I can nail a good light consistently and work the big
end of the track pretty good. I'm now trying the
tuning end of things. Seeing how far I can improve
the combination I have while spending the minimal
amount of money. (Kids sure do that to you, don't
they???) I owned an 86 Mustang GT for a long time and
always wanted to try autocross. Maybe for my next
car.

Shane
55 F100 5.0


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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:26:23 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - cam

>Still trying to nail down the
>jetting on the carb...
>
This may get you out of the hole a whole lot quicker, if you can get it to
run smooth (at least that's how we do it in the twisties) it'll likely run
quicker too ... smoother is faster is our phrasing, not always true on the
strip, but then again it can't hurt.

>The truck is my fun machine. It is a 1955 workhorse,
>I haul household junk, help people move, hope to tow a
>boat someday, race on an occasional Wednesday night
>fun drags
> I don't want a stock idle
>in the truck at all but not pro-street either. As
>rough an idle as I can get and stay within the 5,500
>rpm powerband.

ohhhh...so you want your kate and edith too! gotcha! :) I love the lopey
cams and such, I think you should be able to find one that would work
great. Talk with the locals who are runnin the bigger vehicles and see
what they recommend ... also check with the machinists, the old timers will
really know what works or what to look for ..

>(Kids sure do that to you, don't
>they???) I owned an 86 Mustang GT for a long time and
>always wanted to try autocross. Maybe for my next
>car.

hehehe ... I'm not even married yet, so I can still play with my car and
truck :) If you wanna see some interesting autocross stuff ...check out my
web page on one of my trips to a small local track :
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ranger3.cc.iastate.edu/autocross.html


Just my 2cents

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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:13:00 -0700
From: "Danger"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - T-18

> is the T-18 tranny in my 84 F-150 a strong tranny??
> also is the 9in rear a strong rear end??
>
> thanks
>
> Joel Thomas mailto:treefort prodigy.net
> 1984 F-150, 351W, 9", T-18,
> Edelbrock intake,Holley 750 vac,
> 33" BFG MT's.
> Little Rock,Ar
.................

Yes, the T18 is a very strong trans (I've got one in my 69), but I
didn't think they used them in 84. I'm not a big fan of the Ford 9" rear end
as I believe the Dana 60 to be much stronger and limited slip allows you to
hook up for much quicker starts.

IMHO:) 750 CFM seems to be a bit much for a 351W, unless it's really turning
some RPM's


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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:06:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: shane san miguel
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - T-18

Is the T-18 the Granny Gear 4 spd?

Shane
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15.51 87



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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:08:06 -0700
From: "Danger"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - T-18

> Is the T-18 the Granny Gear 4 spd?
>
> Shane
............

The T-18 in my 69 F250 has a non-synchronized first gear that would be
considered a granny because a crippled person on crutches could outrun you.


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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 22:54:14 -0500
From: "Douglas McLaughlin"
Subject: FTE Perf - M pistons

I have a 76 351M that I plan to have bored .030 over and I want some
hypereutectic pistons to boost comp. to about 9.5:1. I just got the motor
and haven't cc'd the heads yet but I have been looking through some parts
catalogs and can't find much for the M. There are plenty of different
pistons for Clevelands and Windsors but not the M. I was told the M is a....


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