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perf-list-digest Saturday, June 26 1999 Volume 02 : Number 157



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In this issue:

RE: FTE Perf - What to do to this 2.5
Re: FTE Perf - What to do to this 2.5
RE: FTE Perf - What to do to this 2.5
RE: FTE Perf - What to do to this 2.5
FTE Perf - computer problems
FTE Perf - ADMIN: Extended Warrantees
FTE Perf - Re: Cast or forged...
FTE Perf - RE: Drilled Rotors

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 08:25:44 -0500
From: "Duncan, Jeff"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - What to do to this 2.5

Hmmm... How might I go about getting my hands on this catalog?

Jeff Duncan
Des Moines, Ia
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Ewing [mailto:ewing napanet.net]
> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 1999 6:59 PM
> To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE Perf - What to do to this 2.5
>
>
> Jeff
> The Ford Motorsport SVO 99 catalog states on page 111 that
> ..."In 1998
> the Ranger engine grows to 2.5L with increased stroke." They
> have a few
> items listed such as high flow air filters, a roller
> tappet/camshaft kit(its
> for the 2.3L, but you could ask about the 2.5L).
>
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 08:40:40 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - What to do to this 2.5

>The Ford Motorsport SVO 99 catalog states on page 111 that ..."In 1998
>the Ranger engine grows to 2.5L with increased stroke."

If all they did was increase the stroke, then everything you listed below
should be the same between the 2.5 and the 2.3 . My understanding was
that the 2.0 was a different motor totally. The other thing you have to
watch for is the 2.3 HSC and the 2.3 OHC . The HSC (High Swirl Combustion)
was used in things like Tempo's and Topaz's ...while the OHC (Over Head
Cam) was used in the Mustang and I think the Ranger got it too, well
obviously it did for a while.




They have a few
>items listed such as high flow air filters, a roller tappet/camshaft kit(its
>for the 2.3L, but you could ask about the 2.5L). I'm new to this engine
>too, but if I understand what they're saying in the catalog the 2.0L,2.3L, and
>2.5L OHC Engines are very similar.

If all that changed was the stroke, then yeah, they should be very similar,
and the cams and such should all bolt in no problem, though you might want
to check stock cam specs before ordering one from the catalog, just to be
sure they didn't get really agressive in stock form (yeah right!)

However they are very different in terms
>of bore, stroke, bore spacing, block deck height and crankshaft journal
>diameters.

Wow, that's a lot of differences for "an increased stroke"

Other items I saw listed in the SVO catalog were a variety of
>camshafts for these motors--I don't know if Smog compliance is an issue
>with changing cams--

Nope, not here :) We're lucky enough to be able to run whatever we want to
... yes there's the possibility of a fine, but I've never seen an officer
peek under a car here, and they got rid of yearly testing, even for
pickups, back in the 70's


> With all the differences they list for these motors, I wonder if
>they
>mean they're similar in that they each have 4cylinders?
>I think they're making fun of me.
>

That was my first thought too ... hmmmm...I wonder if we can get the spec
sheet to compare these beasts ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 08:44:39 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - What to do to this 2.5

>Hmmm... How might I go about getting my hands on this catalog?
>
That's the easy part ... :) you can get it from places like www.jegs.com
(Jegs mailorder, lets you order online and such too) ... or you can drive
up Hwy. 69 to your favorite Ford Truck dealer (after a call to be sure they
have it) and pick one up ... they're usually about five bucks. You might
check with AutoZone or any other of those stores and see if they have it in
stock too ...


And then you can bring it up to Ankeny on Sun. so we can drool over it ...
:) Just kidding.


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 07:17:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: shane san miguel
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - What to do to this 2.5

You need to go to your local Ford dealer and ask them
if they are a Motorsport dealer. If they are then
they will have the catalog, probably give it to you
free. If they are not a Motorsport dealer they can
probably tell you where the nearest one is. I have
the '98 catalog and for Iowa, it looks like your only
choice is

Lindquist Ford, Inc.
Bettendorf, IA 52722
319-355-4793

- --- "Duncan, Jeff" wrote:
> Hmmm... How might I go about getting my hands on
> this catalog?
>
> Jeff Duncan
> Des Moines, Ia

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 13:44:03 -0500
From: "Joel Thomas"
Subject: FTE Perf - computer problems

I have a 1984 F-150 4x4
351W
with Holley carb
and edelbrock intake and crane fireball racing coil
I just learned the other day that I have a computer controlling
my TCV-IV distributor I have that spout that I disconnect to set base
timing.
is there any way that i can put an older distributor with regualr vacuum
advance and take out my computer
it looks like that all it is controlling is just the distributor am I right
i hate computers in my cars and like to get it back to the very simplest
ways.it had a feedback carburator that had all the plugs plugged in on it
and they are all unplugged all the emissions is taken off, no air
conditioning, and manual tranny.
thanks for the help


Joel Thomas mailto:treefort prodigy.net
1984 F-150, 351W, 9", T-18,
Edelbrock intake,Holley 750 vac,
33" BFG MT's.
Little Rock,Ar





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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 17:03:25 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Perf - ADMIN: Extended Warrantees

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 17:12:10 -0500
From: Ezekial
Subject: FTE Perf - Re: Cast or forged...

I bought a set of the Federal Mogul PAW pistons, they are actually TRW
pistons and everyone has it wrong about the forged pistons. All of the
new ones do not make the clatter, haven't for a long time. They only
clattered back when they were first introduced and for a couple years
after that to my knowledge. I have complete specs on my website of my
motor along with the first pictures. I am about done with it. I am
getting the cheap valve job done next week and in she goes. The bottom
end is done and looks really nice, by the way, the pistons fit snug as a
bug in there too.

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1993 Ford F-150 4x4 Off-Road, ext.cab short bed, 351(5.8)
3.55 gears, 31x10.5 Daytona Stag LT
1988 Ford F-150 2wd 302(5.0) auto, long bed-reg cab
Has been totaled and I am re-building it
Was my Grandpas truck, so theres sentimental value
It had the meanest factory 302 I have ever seen
1966 Mustang Fastback 289HP heads, 302block, Holley 4bbl,
EB intake, chrome headers-duals w/ super turbos,
4sp toploader, 9' rear 3.73 locked, Crager SS wheels
( F O R S A L E $7500 )
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 23:16:24 -0700
From: "Chris Samuel"
Subject: FTE Perf - RE: Drilled Rotors

My '53 is going to have 4 wheel disks... those drilled 'vented' rotors
sure look good

Anyone with knowledge on how this is done... is it a special procedure ???
or just layout the pattern,. punch, drill and countersink ??? how many is
enough
?? how many is too many ???

I've got the layout dye, centerpunch and drill press

any ideas guys ???

john


Drilling the rotors will cause them to crack at the drilled holes; "if they
are used". On a show car, hey, no problem. On a Race car, they are replaced
when they crack. On the street, Why??? I know, BECAUSE I CAN! Whatever :-)
If you intend to keep an eye on em then you need to lay out a pattern that
will by nature cause the substances that you are trying to vent off to be
pushed progressively into the holes.
Countersinking is debatable from all of my sources, some say yes and others
no... Your money you choose!-)
If your really just going for looks then why not lay the holes out in ... A
star, or something?
Just don't line up the holes so that when they do crack they crack into
pieces before you can fix em. Seen it happen on the track! Bad. Vary Bad!
Generally there are about 3 rows of holes in the rotor but I have seen more
and less. Remember at the low speeds your going to be using them you will be
REDUCING the effectiveness not increasing it. More holes = Less surface area
= Less break pad engaged with rotor.
Race rotors are not usually drilled anymore. They are "Ball Milled" in a
Oval or they have dimples in the surface but not through. There are still
Drilled rotors out there don't get me wrong, but the big boys are going away....

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