perf-list-digest Monday, April 26 1999 Volume 02 : Number 097



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In this issue:

FTE Perf - Kind of a Classified Ad, and Questions
FTE Perf - ADMIN: Your truck photo wanted for the Pigeon Forge show
FTE Perf - THANKS
FTE Perf - Turbo Propane (Was: Re: Dopey Lab Partner)

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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 11:44:06 -0400
From: The Neighbors
Subject: FTE Perf - Kind of a Classified Ad, and Questions

I met a fellow yesterday while getting parts for Grover that told me he
has a couple of things for sale, so I figured this would be a good place
to help him out.
He has a 460 with a C6, and I believe he's asking $400 for the combo
deal. He also has a '63 cab sitting on a '77 frame that I think he wants
to find a home for. If any of you all are interested, he can be found in
Lexington, Kentucky, at Kwik-Set fasteners. Here's the info:

Davy Morris
252-7518

By the way, Kwik-Set is a great place to get nuts, bolts, screw and
tools. (Shameless plug)
Now a question or two: I may have found a Dana 60(?) axle to replace
the original unit in my '54 F250. It comes out of a '77 Camper Special.
What do I need to know about this axle when I look at it, other than the
fact the spring mounts, etc., will have to be moved? What gear ratios
were common for this axle?


Don Neighbors
'54 F250 Named Grover

"Any dropped tool or part will automatically fall into the most
inaccessible part of the vehicle."

grover ford-trucks.com
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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 17:09:47 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Perf - ADMIN: Your truck photo wanted for the Pigeon Forge show

As we did last year, Ford Truck Enthusiasts will be at
the F100 Supernationals in Pigeon Forge, Tennessee from
May 13-16. We plan to have a board featuring trucks
from our members on display.

If you would like your truck featured, send a photograph
to:

Ford Truck Enthusiasts, Inc.
PO Box 422
Lilburn, GA 30048

You must send a photograph. Emailed scans will not be
accepted for the board. Please send them ASAP.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 22:40:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: Justin Farcas
Subject: FTE Perf - THANKS

Thanks to everyone who responded to my u-joint and tire size problem
question. I think I'm going to replace the u-joints, bearings, seals,
brakes and such along with adding 35" tires very soon. I appreciate all
your advice...


-Justin Farcas
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 00:43:55 -0700
From: Vogt Family
Subject: FTE Perf - Turbo Propane (Was: Re: Dopey Lab Partner)

On Sat, 24 Apr 1999, John Lord wrote:

(I posted this to the performance list because that is where I think it
really belongs. Please reply there.)

> Ive built two gas turbo ford V-8's and a happy little 2.3 liter ranger
> is running turbo propane.
>
> I like propane as an offroad fuel their are never any carb problems as
> long as you can find fuel your set. the ranger engine was built for use
> with a turbo but we still had problems with preignition anf turbo lag.
> (It might have been the rotten design of the factory turbo / intake
> setup from the mustang we took it from).

My thoughts were, it is good for making some horespower with plenty of
boost at low RPM, and the parts are so easy to work on in the field if
need be. My original plan was to go EFI but I have since relegated the
truck to recreational use only, so the propane (carbed) sounds better.
(Cheaper!)

> I really recommend an average compression of 7.5 to one and good parts.
> with the cam i picked we are getting 8000 rpm out of this little thing.
> we changed the draw through gas setup to blow through moving the turbo
> over to the exaust maniold and pumping it through an impco 325 mixer
> with 10 pounds boost.

The motor I am starting with is going to be a basically stock '73 or
late '72 429. CR is, I believe, about 8.5. I had not thought that I
might need to hog it out any lower than that, even for gas. I think I
will leave it be for now and maybe drop it some more later. What is
this 325 of which you speak? The Impco chart I found (www.wps.com/LPG)
doesn't list it. Looking through the series it looks to be in the
mid-400s if the numbers progress logically. In my case I would be
flowing more than 750 CFM so a really big one would be necessary. I
have a 300A-70 laying around but it is really for another truck, but
it's not nearly enough either...

> If you know anything about turbo's it's easy to convert any engine, the
> trick is setting up the best advance curves for both the turbo and
> propane. believe it or not I have 20 deg. of inital advance on that poor
> thing giving it alot more balls at lower rmp before the turbo kicks in.

I know nothing of advance curves but I am thinking a full electronic
unit would be nice since much of what I am planning on is uncharted
territory.

> Im going to do the same thing for a friends chev 350 4x4 this summer to
> see if we get the same kind of balls out of a V-8. Propane seems to be
> the best fuel for anything but racing where the problem is that it burns
> too slow.

I guess the answer is just to keep the RPMs down and stack more boost on
it then! I saw a monster truck once powered by liquid injected propane
on a 500 some odd inch engine. (Yes it was a Ford!) The EIGHT turbos
kept it quiet compared to the others, and it smoked all them too.

Birken
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