perf-list-digest Saturday, April 17 1999 Volume 02 : Number 089



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In this issue:

FTE Perf - Re: Suspension Question
FTE Perf - Calculations
FTE Perf - F100 rear
Re: FTE Perf - F100 rear
FTE Perf - 8.8 Upgrading
FTE Perf - RE: Suspension Question
FTE Perf - 8.8 Upgrading
Re: FTE Perf - OHC's and multiple valves
Re: FTE Perf - 8.8 Upgrading
FTE Perf - Lil red truck
FTE Perf - lil red truck 2
FTE Perf - Help in the Northwest

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Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 06:36:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bill
Subject: FTE Perf - Re: Suspension Question

Thanks for all the suggestions, and a combination of what everyone has
offered is probably what I will do... the softer springs (or the mono
leaf with traction bars) and a posi/locker and wider tires sounds the
most doable... I can raise the front since the torsion bars have about
3" of height adjustment from the "stock" level, but I would rather
lower the rear some.

I should be getting the 351W next week and start the swap the week
after.. this is gonna be fun... the "old" truck is in primer gray with
a tool box in the bed... just love pickin' on unsuspecting wannabe's
:-)

I am going to drive it without much modification for a bit (and let my
budget recover) but when I warm the windsor up more, I will also do the
rear end treatment... I have been working on this beast for 5 years
now, so who is in a hurry... if I finish this one, I will just have to
get another one...

If you are interested, there is a pic of it in the FTE pictorial area..
primer gray with American Racing Smoothies..

Thanks again and I am sure I will have more questions as I proceed...

Bill in Texas




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Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 07:43:50 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: FTE Perf - Calculations

Here's the URL to a page full of online calculators for comp. ratio, HP to
comp. ratio change, RPM-MPH, etc. Thought some of you might find it useful.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.bestintexas.com/cars/calculate/index.html

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Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:24:21 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE Perf - F100 rear

Gypsy Bill writes: >>Ok, here the situation.. I have 1964 F100 1/2 ton short
bed.. front suspension is '77 Volare, rear is stock (with overload leafs)
springs.. this set up dropped the front end about 3".

I'd look around for a complete Ford car rear end with the correct spring spacing
and stick it in there. The car springs mount under the axle rather than on top
like your truck. I'd even use the car springs IF the lengths are correct. This
will also get your wheel bolt patterns all alike(I think, Don't Ford cars and
Mopar cars of the 60's/'70's use a common bolt pattern). If you have a good
welding shop around, you can probably get your rear end made to have the springs
under the axle if you want to go this route.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 11:48:55 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - F100 rear

>I'd look around for a complete Ford car rear end with the correct spring
>spacing
>and stick it in there. The car springs mount under the axle rather than
on top
>like your truck. I'd even use the car springs IF the lengths are correct.
>This
>will also get your wheel bolt patterns all alike(I think, Don't Ford cars and
>Mopar cars of the 60's/'70's use a common bolt pattern). If you have a good
>welding shop around, you can probably get your rear end made to have the
>springs
>under the axle if you want to go this route.
>
>Azie
>Ardmore, Al.

Good thinkin Azie! An excellent idea ... yeah the chryslers used to use
the same bolt pattern, may still I don't know for sure ... 5 on 4.5 for
cars right ?


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:13:08 -0500
From: Steve Randa
Subject: FTE Perf - 8.8 Upgrading

Last night I opened the rear end in my '84 F150 to install a Powertrax
locker. The locker has become a Mustang hand-me-down. I was suprised to
see a slightly different carrier than what I'm used to. No clutches or
S-spring! Someone please educate me here...

First, is this not considered a Traction-Loc. No posi or limited slip?

Second, since I am gutting the carrier should I proceed with what's in
it or go for the spare Traction-Loc carrier out of the Mustang? Will it
fit? The real question here is which housing is stronger minus internals?

I'm also having the gear changed as well, and since the Mustang's rear
is half the age of the truck's, should I utilize any of the other parts:
caps, bearings, shims, bolts, etc.? Or is that a no no?

Finally, should I leave the axle tube bearings and seals alone if the
axle itself appears okay?

Steve Randa
'84 F150
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Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 13:23:34 -0500
From: Paul M Radecki
Subject: FTE Perf - RE: Suspension Question

> I know I am getting no weight transfer because of the mix match of
> suspensions front to rear.. when I put 351W in it, it will only get
> worse... (embarassing when a 68 toyota 4 banger beats you off the line
> 'cause you are sittin and smokin')..

Taking some weight off the front would help. Aluminum intake and
heads, fiberglass doghouse, alloy wheels, relocate battery and other
relocate-able stuff, etc. Another thing the drag race guys do to improve
weight transfer is to use shock absorbers with adjustable damping: you
can adjust rebound and compression independently on each corner to "dial
in" your launch. A caveat: seek expert advice before you try this
approach, because it could make your street handling weird (or even
unsafe). Summit sells adjustable shocks for 27 clams apiece.
OTOH, loading down the rear end can be good if you know what to load
it with. A coupla bikes or Sea-Doos, a few cases of (root) beer, and
some attractive friends of the appropriate gender in the truck with you
will make your tires hook up real nice... and if they don't, who cares?

lordjanusz juno.com
'94 F150
'73 F100
'85 CB650SC :-)
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Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 14:30:39 -0500
From: Steve Randa
Subject: FTE Perf - 8.8 Upgrading

Last night I opened the rear end in my '84 F150 to install a Powertrax
locker. The locker has become a Mustang hand-me-down. I was suprised to
see a slightly different carrier than what I'm used to. No clutches or
S-spring! Someone please educate me here...

First, is this not considered a Traction-Loc. No posi or limited slip?

Second, since I am gutting the carrier should I proceed with what's in
it or go for the spare Traction-Loc carrier out of the Mustang? Will it
fit? The real question here is which housing is stronger minus internals?

I'm also having the gear changed as well, and since the Mustang's rear
is half the age of the truck's, should I utilize any of the other parts:
caps, bearings, shims, bolts, etc.? Or is that a no no?

Finally, should I leave the axle tube bearings and seals alone if the
axle itself appears okay?

Steve Randa
'84 F150
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Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:09:26 -0600
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - OHC's and multiple valves

>From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
>Subject: FTE Perf - OHC's and multiple valves
>
>...but several years ago I noticed that
>IHC (now Navistar) had multiple valves
>(V8 and intakes only I believe) in one
>of their Diesels.

Yo Azie:

All the top-line big truck diesels now use either overhead camshafts or a
4-valve head. That includes the Cummins ISX, Detroit Diesel Series 60, and
Caterpillar 3406E. The Cummins engine w/ DOHC puts out 600 bhp and 1850 lb-ft
torque at 1200 rpm. The Detroit Diesel engine w/ 4-valve head puts out 500 bhp
and 1650 lb-ft at 1200 rpm. The Cat 3406 w/ overhead roller cam puts out 600
bhp and 2050 lb-ft at 1440 rpm.

Dave R (M-block devotee)


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Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:17:50 -0700
From: George Miller
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - 8.8 Upgrading

Didn't the F150 had the 9" through '86?

George Miller

Steve Randa wrote:
>
> Last night I opened the rear end in my '84 F150 to install a Powertrax
> locker. The locker has become a Mustang hand-me-down. I was suprised to
> see a slightly different carrier than what I'm used to. No clutches or
> S-spring! Someone please educate me here...
>
> First, is this not considered a Traction-Loc. No posi or limited slip?
>
> Second, since I am gutting the carrier should I proceed with what's in
> it or go for the spare Traction-Loc carrier out of the Mustang? Will it
> fit? The real question here is which housing is stronger minus internals?
>
> I'm also having the gear changed as well, and since the Mustang's rear
> is half the age of the truck's, should I utilize any of the other parts:
> caps, bearings, shims, bolts, etc.? Or is that a no no?
>
> Finally, should I leave the axle tube bearings and seals alone if the
> axle itself appears okay?
>
> Steve Randa
> '84 F150
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Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 17:22:18 -0600
From: "ms480933"
Subject: FTE Perf - Lil red truck

Give me a break, your memory is terrible.
The Dodge lil red truck couldn't go 150 mph unless it had a jato rocket
stuck in the bed.
I had a '78 Trans am with the 400 4 speed and could blow the doors off those
things back then.

Lloyd


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Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 17:40:56 -0600
From: "ms480933"
Subject: FTE Perf - lil red truck 2

I forgot to mention that my T.A would not do any where near 150 mph
Lloyd


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Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 20:15:08 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: FTE Perf - Help in the Northwest

Any list members in the Pacific Northwest, I'm looking for a good engine
machine shop preferably in Vancouver WA that knows Fords (obviously!) Any
help would be greatly appreciated. You can reply to me directly,
bbeyer pacifier.com to spare the bandwidth.

TIA

Bill

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