perf-list-digest Thursday, April 8 1999 Volume 02 : Number 080



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In this issue:

FTE Perf - Help! ARG!
RE: FTE Perf - Rebuilding a 302
RE: FTE Perf - Rebuilding a 302
Re: FTE Perf - Rebuilding a 302
Re: FTE Perf - Help! ARG!
Re: FTE Perf - terms
Re: Laws, jobs etc. was Re: FTE Perf - Oregon Law Changes -JJThomas

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Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 09:23:05 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: FTE Perf - Help! ARG!

Okay, I'm sure everyone's tired of hearing about my rebuild by now, but I
really need some advice. How do you get the stupid torque converter nuts
off !?!?!?!??? The problem seems to be that the oil pan is too close to
the fly wheel so I can't get a ratchet up there. Anyone have any tricks to
this ? I have a 9/16 open end/boxed end I can get on it, but I can't get
enough leverage to pull it loose.

Another helpful handy hint: when you run your exhaust system, don't run it
betweent the tranny and the oilpan, it just gets in the way more, and of
course its all welded together so its not helping matters much. I was
thinkin tonight I'd pick up a "pull" wrench or "breaker bar" whichever you
prefer to call them (maybe there's a difference and I don't know it?) and
see if I could ge that in there ...


Thanks,
wish
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96 Mustang GT
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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 09:53:21 -0500
From: "Baldwin, Dave (CPCP Design)"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Rebuilding a 302

Wayne,

Great! Congrats. If you do try the single cat and it works, let us know.
Is this with the air pump disconnected, or did you reconnect for the test?

Dave Baldwin
Dallas, TX

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Dave,
Believe it or not YES! ...he even suggested that I may try removing the
second cat and just running off of the front one.....

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Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 10:02:11 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Rebuilding a 302

>Great! Congrats. If you do try the single cat and it works, let us know.
>Is this with the air pump disconnected, or did you reconnect for the test?
>

>Believe it or not YES! ...he even suggested that I may try removing the
>second cat and just running off of the front one.....
>

Have you thought about the Dynomax super converters ? The nice hi-flo ones
?? A little pricey, but if you can get by on 1 I would think that would do
wonders for your exhaust system ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 13:14:33 EDT
From: FLR150 AOL.COM
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Rebuilding a 302

In a message dated 4/7/99 10:54:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, baldwin ti.com
writes:


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Dave,
Nope. I had it reconnected. But I did have it loose from the silencer...
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
"Hazardous Material" (to the environment?)
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Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 20:14:42 -0400
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Help! ARG!

William S Hart wrote:
>
>
> Anyone have any tricks to
> this ? I have a 9/16 open end/boxed end I can get on it, but I can't get
> enough leverage to pull it loose.

If you can get the box end onto the bolt then hook the box of another
wrench into the open end of the first wrench. Careful though.. if the
extra wrench slips/turns it can be painful. If all you can fit on the
nut is the open end then use a much larger wrench with the box over the
shaft of the first; but this has real potential for pain if/when the rig
slips!


Tim
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Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 20:50:23 -0400
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - terms

Ryan Reinke wrote:
>
> Could someone explain mass-air and the speed density
> system?
>

I'll try to keep this short and simple since I'm WAY behind on mail. ;-)

Speed Density refers to using the speed of the engine and the density of
the incoming air to calculate the amount of incoming air and the correct
amount of fuel for that value. The density (weight) of the air depends
on it's temperature and the barometric pressure. If the displacement of
the engine, the RPM and the density of the incoming air are known it's a
fairly simple calculation to find the amount of fuel needed for the
desired A/F ratio.

Mass air directly measures the incoming air via differing methods, (Hot
wire, sonic etc.) rather than inferring the value. One problem with
this setup is that any leak in the air tubing between the sensor and the
throttle lets in unmeasured air and driveability gets real flaky!
(About twice a year I'll see a vehicle that stalls when put into D but
not R or vice versa.. the intake tube is split and the engine moves and
opens the tube one way and closes the split the other way! Took a
little while to find it the 1st time I saw it.. usually an engine mount
is bad as well to cause the original tear.)

Quick way to identify which is which; look for a large sensor in the air
intake plumbing; if there is one it's mass air rather than S-D. (With
the exception of certain GM vehicles that started life with a MAP sensor
and PCM but were updated to MAF with a new PCM but still retained the
MAP.. strange!)

Tim Turner/Manic Mechanic
Custer Auto Repair
Wilmington NC
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Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 21:18:25 -0400
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: Laws, jobs etc. was Re: FTE Perf - Oregon Law Changes -JJThomas

JJ Thomas wrote:
>
> At 23:47 04/01/99 -0500, you wrote (and I edited for Brevity):
>
> >Is that test as much of a joke as the ASE tests? (i.e. a bit of study
> >will get you the cert even though you dont know what's really up.)
>
> I found the Microsoft test were difficult and there were questions aimed at
> real world experience. I.e., you had to have been there, done that, to
> know the answer.
>

Hmm.. in that case I might have to look into it.

> Brakes, body & chassis integrity, steering mechanism. I've had the
> privilege of being in a car where the steering fell apart. ...In a parking
> lot, thank you Jesus!

Had the gearbox part ways with the frame on a Dodge van.. Right turns
were fine but lefts were a 4 lane ordeal; was interesting plotting a
route to the shop with no lefts allowed! :-)

> And I was in a car where the body separated from the
> chassis (rust).

Yikes!

> advocate requiring a dual reservoir master cylinder on a car that
> originally had a single (of course for safety), but I would not make it a
> requirement. I think a formal State Inspection would suffice.

A lot of work to add one though; proportioning valve (adjustable of
course) and new tubing to run.. ugh.

>
> >> IMHO, I do not think a vehicle that has sustain major structural damage
> >> should be allowed to be titled.
> >
> >I used to agree, but having seen the results of what can be done on
> >newer vehicles I'm not so sure.
>
> I had a friend that owned a body shop and he told me that once the frame
> has been damaged you will never get the original strength that it had
> before the damage. It will always be weaker. Based on what I know about
> metal, I tend to agree with him.

True; bent metal will always be weaker than new (for the metals used in
auto bodies and frames anyway). I've seen vehicles that weren't totaled
due to being very new that I'd *never* consider buying after $13,000 of
work, but lots of older vehicles totaled due to $500 of minor damage
that I would fix for resale/resto in a moment. Oops.. I just realized
that you said "major structural damage". I agree; I've seen frames SPOT
welded together before while doing oil changes or other under car
service. :-(

> >> I have a lot of militant friends. I tend to agree with 80 to 90 percent of
> >> their anti-government rhetoric. Personally, I wish the government would
> >> spend more of my tax dollars on things other than what I do in my home, on
> >> my computer, what I watch on TV, what I do to my car, etc... And don't get
> >> me started on the Star thing!!!
> >
> >Dont get me started on the 'anti-porn' things...
>
> Uh-huh, me too.
>

Or anti-firearm..

But these topics we should probably stay off of as well in this list..
And just to add some Ford content... some of the early Bronco ads had
some pretty racy beach scenes for the time. ;-)

Tim
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