perf-list-digest Sunday, April 4 1999 Volume 02 : Number 076



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In this issue:

Re: FTE Perf - terms
Re: FTE Perf - dropping gas milage
RE: FTE Perf - dropping gas milage
Re: Laws, jobs etc. was Re: FTE Perf - Oregon Law Changes - JJThomas
Re: FTE Perf - terms
FTE Perf - Electronic ignition
FTE Perf - A/F monitor /48 coversion
Re: FTE Perf - A/F monitor /48 coversion
Re: FTE Perf - Important

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Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 08:30:28 -0800 (PST)
From: Ryan Reinke
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - terms

Could someone explain mass-air and the speed density
system?


Also the
> mass-air stuff off of the
> 'stangs might do you some good if you have the speed
> density system

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Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 08:45:53 -0800 (PST)
From: Ryan Reinke
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - dropping gas milage

My '97 4.9 manual (52K) with slightly larger than
factory tires is getting increasingly poorer gas
milage. I purchased it 2500 mi ago and was geting 15
to 17.5 and with the last 1500 mi get 10 to 14! I
have tried various brands and octanes to no avail. It
seems to get slightly worse on the interstate than
normal city/highway driving. Help!!

In addition, oddly enough, I noticed that when parked
on a hill, it may roll when left in any gear...

P.S. Anyone in the Denver, CO area on this list?

Thanks,
Ryan Reinke
Parker, CO
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Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 12:43:55 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - dropping gas milage

First thing i'd do is check compression and check to see if it is burning
oil. And, don't be insulted, but has your driving habits changes any?

sleddog

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In addition, oddly enough, I noticed that when parked
on a hill, it may roll when left in any gear...

P.S. Anyone in the Denver, CO area on this list?

Thanks,
Ryan Reinke
Parker, CO




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Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 09:40:36 -0800
From: JJ Thomas
Subject: Re: Laws, jobs etc. was Re: FTE Perf - Oregon Law Changes - JJThomas

At 23:47 04/01/99 -0500, you wrote (and I edited for Brevity):

>Is that test as much of a joke as the ASE tests? (i.e. a bit of study
>will get you the cert even though you dont know what's really up.)

I found the Microsoft test were difficult and there were questions aimed at
real world experience. I.e., you had to have been there, done that, to
know the answer.

>> As far as restoration goes, I think if the vehicle can be restored to
>> factory condition, it should be allowed to be registered. I would probably
>> sign off for a stringent safety test, though.
>
>Agreed on condition, but what do you mean by the test? With a single
>reservoir master etc it's certainly not as safe as a newer vehicle. As
>long as it passes the testing here I'd be happy. Suspension, brakes,
>lights, wiper(s) and so forth..

Brakes, body & chassis integrity, steering mechanism. I've had the
privilege of being in a car where the steering fell apart. ...In a parking
lot, thank you Jesus! And I was in a car where the body separated from the
chassis (rust). Also in a parking lot, thank you again... I would
advocate requiring a dual reservoir master cylinder on a car that
originally had a single (of course for safety), but I would not make it a
requirement. I think a formal State Inspection would suffice.

>> IMHO, I do not think a vehicle that has sustain major structural damage
>> should be allowed to be titled.
>
>I used to agree, but having seen the results of what can be done on
>newer vehicles I'm not so sure.

I had a friend that owned a body shop and he told me that once the frame
has been damaged you will never get the original strength that it had
before the damage. It will always be weaker. Based on what I know about
metal, I tend to agree with him.

>> Passing emission tests is a difficult topic for me. On one hand, if a
>> restored vehicle can meet the emission standards that were in place the
>> year it is was manufactured, I think it should be eligible for titling. On
>
>Or better; in my state I cant replace my gross polluting carbureted 2.8
>with a 2.9 or 5.0 EFI engine that would be cleaner than stock as it was
>not an OEM option.
>
>> the other hand, I suffer from asthma. I personally think all pollution
>> should be removed. It would make my breathing easier. ...I think I'll
>> just stay neutral.
>
>Other than saying motor vehicles arent the biggest cause I'll stay out
>too.

I think you are right... But... yeah I better just let it go.

>> I have a lot of militant friends. I tend to agree with 80 to 90 percent of
>> their anti-government rhetoric. Personally, I wish the government would
>> spend more of my tax dollars on things other than what I do in my home, on
>> my computer, what I watch on TV, what I do to my car, etc... And don't get
>> me started on the Star thing!!!
>
>Dont get me started on the 'anti-porn' things...

Uh-huh, me too.

- -Julian


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Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 13:35:37 -0500
From: "Thomas J. Teixeira"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - terms

At 08:30 AM 4/3/99 -0800, Ryan Reinke wrote:
>
>Could someone explain mass-air and the speed density
>system?

These refer to different ways for the ignition computer to determine how
much air is going through the throttle body so it can meter the proper
amount of fuel through the fuel injectors. I don't understand the low level
physics of the two different sensors, but mass-air systems are directly
sensitive to the mass of the air flowing past while speed density systems
are directly sensitive to the speed of the air and the engine computer must
use other information to calculate the density (for example, temperature
and atmospheric pressure). Note that engine computers with mass air flow
sensors do often have temperature and pressure sensors as well.

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Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 12:56:55 -0800 (PST)
From: Oldtrukman webtv.net (R. Pietsch)
Subject: FTE Perf - Electronic ignition

Hi all.
Well my beloved 1970 Cougar is gone. I just turned over the keys to
the new owner who promised he would give her a good home. While he was
here, he was also checking out my truck. I told him I had just finished
(a year and a half ago) installing a completly rebuilt and balanced
351C with an Edelbrok performer manifold and 600 carb. He asked if I had
added electronic ignition to it. I said "no not yet". I want to add a
Jacobs Electronic set up to it, but haven't saved up the buck$ for it
yet. He then told me about a system called the Ignitor by Pertronix. He
said he runs it in a Mach I that he also has and that it works quite
well. The info I got from him says it is a small unit that all fits
inside the existing distributor, converting it to an electronic system.
It seems to be a good set up and the price is only $62.00 +S&H.
My question is, have any of you knowledgable folks had any
expierience with this product, and if so, what coil would you use with
it for a good hot spark.
It sounds like a pretty good deal to me. I am thinking about
installing it on The Rat until I can save up he buck$ for the Jacobs
system.
I welcome all, and thank you all for any input you can give.



Rix56 'The Rat'

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Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 13:46:24 -0800
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE Perf - A/F monitor /48 coversion

"But you should be aware that you need
not spend the going rate for this device. ($120-$150)
Summit had a gage (no sensor) for $25 and Cyperdyne has them for $35"
" gauge unit can be built for about $15 excluding the housing."

Gettin' cheaper by the day Muel.Seriously,thanks for all the input on
this.

"I do run
dual systems on dual exhaust as that way I can monitor the total of the
engine, and not just one side, or one cylinder."

Guess that puts a damper on my plan of putting the 02 sensor in the
balance tube.I think I'll only run one sensor for now,which side should
I mount it in on a FE?

"And I love prop driven planes particularly P-47's, P-38's
and of course P-51 Mustangs! Oh, and weren't that B-17 a awesome piece
of sculpture..."

Agreed.I work at the local airport and it is a rare treat when a
Warbird comes in.

"The problem is as "I" see it, that while the V10/Auto will obviously
bolt
nicely in to the factory frame, nothing else that you describe will.
Since you have tossed this idea out, FWIW this is what "I" would do.
First "I" would forget the truck frame."

Agree again.There are way too many cars on 4x4 truck frames that look
like somebody bolted a car on a truck around already.Brand new early
Ford frames are readily available.Pick up a copy of Street Rodder
Magazine and check out the adds.Getting the car to look nice and low
will be a major problem with 4x4 tho.
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Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 16:42:57 -0600
From: "C. K. Hartline"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - A/F monitor /48 coversion

>.Getting the car to look nice and low
will be a major problem with 4x4 tho.

Yes, but look at the vehicles out there today with all wheel drive
capabilities...I tend to agree with Muel that I should just go with a full
time four wheel drive transfer case and forget the hubs all together.
Because quite honestly, I'm not building this vehicle for mileage or to be
lightwieght. It's gonna be a long process to get this car done the way I
want it. And that's why I've been coming here to get the most information I
can concerning the chassis and drivetrain. Even the wife mentioned the
other day about just having a frame built specifically for the car that
would accomodate the V10/Auto with 4 wheel drive. Guess she is a great
example of women's intuition. Thanks again for all the input concerning
this. I'm still researching, and as it progresses, I'll keep you all
informed.

C.K.

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Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 12:56:16 -0800
From: JJ Thomas
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Important

I've been so busy that I didn't get a chance to read the Email until this
morning. I jumped over to the site, immediately after reading the first
posting... on Saturday morning. Couldn't find a thing. Maybe they'll get
me next year.

- -Julian

At 00:58 04/02/99 -0500, you wrote:
>At 09:11 PM 4/1/99 -0800, you wrote:
>>I was so conditioned to loss of civil rights that I took it as just
>>another legal decision on the road to centralized government.
>>
>>George miller
>>
>
>I've gotta admit, it was a well planned and executed prank.
>I had a lump in my throat and felt pretty bad for those
>guys until I checked out the link at the bottom.
>
>Ken
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